Agree.
And also acquire R-37 M. Once IAF has it, PAF will be scared to even make their AWACS airborne as it will shoot them down anywhere in their airspace.
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And also acquire R-37 M. Once IAF has it, PAF will be scared to even make their AWACS airborne as it will shoot them down anywhere in their airspace.
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Our Gandiva can do that but idk if it can be integrated to Su57. Astra Mk2 can defo be integrwt3d though.
Well, our missile works on su-30MKI. I think we can ask Russia to let us integrate it on Su-57s too. Part of MKI-zation.
So we Virupaksha Su-30MKI (Make it equivalent of J-11B) and Get Su-57. Should be okay...
I dunno how much time it will take for us get these planes however. We should have started it in 2020 itself. If we start now, I think first real batch will come in 2033 or so.
May be we should just drop customization and get it as it is. Just integrate it with our own data links and comm systems based on Israeli systems. Get the plane, missiles and spares. Add our comm, IFF and data links to work with our AWACS. Get 48 of these and work on AMCA full speed.
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Yeah, serious distractions are coming their way while we are on our way to solve our distractions. Once those distractions start taking most of their time and effort, they are very likely to consider India much more seriously than Pakistan.
But nothing will change right now. Those serious distractions are yet to gain sufficient traction to make the West change their views. My guess is 5 years.
About 7 years for MKIzation to IOC deliveries. But that does not include the time it will take for the Su-57 itself to become operational, the war to stop, and for us to begin negotiations, and sign a contract. So up to 10 years for an IOC jet. We need a large contract to make MKIzation financially viable as well.
The alternative is to drop customization and cut down overall time by half, but their export-grade avionics are not gonna defeat the Chinese. And the Chinese will have 6th gen by then anyway.
MKI signature to FOC took 12 years. And the IAF later said they won't rush into such contracts again, instead they will choose a proven jet and engine if they are to import, even since the MKI's engine problems took quite a few more years after the initial 12 years to resolve. So don't expect any movement until the SP version of the Su-57 with AL-51 is fully integrated into the Russian forces first, which is likely to take until 2030.
Sadly, that means only option is to get F-35, which I hate now because Trump administration is a bunch of cuckoos and next government is going to be even more cuckoo, just on left side of political spectrum...
I wonder what India was doing all these years.
Nope. Not the F-35 either.
It hasn't yet achieved FOC. It will get to the TR-3 standards by the end of 2026, if they stick to it. It's a computer upgrade that will enable the use of Block 3F and 4 technologies. Then, over the next 5 years, they will slowly flight test and unlock Block 4 technologies. In order to use all old and new B4 capabilities, the engine needs to be upgraded too. P&W expects it to happen in 2029 while GAO says 2032. Even if we give LM the benefit of the doubt, we can assume the F-35 will achieve its original 2019 FOC standards only by 2030-32.
Post that the IAF can check the F-35, figure out how it fits into their system, and then request the US via an LOR, which will then take about 2 years as it goes through the US Congress. Once approved, we can begin negotiations and sign a contract, the overall process taking as much as 4-5 years in total.
After a contract is signed, after 4-5 years we will get the first jet, 'cause it will have to go through R&D for the IAF's needs.
So, if we start the process in 2030, we will get the first jet around 2040.
Neither jet is realistic.
The IAF's plan is LCA (2030s), MRFA (2030s), and AMCA (2040s). There's a plan for a next gen fighter (2060s) and/or AMCA NG (early 2050s). So we already have a plan set which will start delivering jets from 2030-70, with a new jet every decade. 2025 if we include Mk1A.
As for stealth, Su-57 and F-35 are stealthy in higher bands, it's not sufficient. In order to penetrate enemy defenses, we need the 6th gen Ghatak (2035+) with all-round stealth. In the meantime, LCA and MRFA will be sufficient to protect our airspace.
The Sky Bow 3 said that my long-range air defense missile with a range of more than 200 km was actually said by the Indians to be inferior to a modern version of the SAM-6 with a range of 30 km.
Land sword 2 said, Akash Mk1A is a rubbish product. Although I only have 4 missiles, the Indians only have 3.
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Technical & ToT-related concerns were there as well.
Same reason. Not politically viable. We need to be treated as an equal too.
If we are to import something, based on what ACM Singh said...
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“We may have to go in for off-the-shelf purchases with indigenous content until AMCA gets developed. Or develop AMCA at a faster pace,” Singh admitted.
AMCA's trajectory decides the import option.
So my guess is they will push for the successful development of LCA Mk2 and getting the MRFA contract signed within this decade. By 2032, if IOC is not achieved, they may start looking at other jets while rescheduling AMCA's timeline and maybe even some development objectives.
By then, our economy will be big enough for the US to be forced to treat India equally. The US will also be on the backfoot due to the rise in status of Russia and China by then. We have more to gain by waiting. I want people to see NGAD and B-21 as more viable import options rather than the F-35/F-55, never mind the Felon. Whatever we decide is for 2035+, going by ACM Singh's words.
This is the same plan as we have now. Of course, if AMCA is delayed that would automatically create the case for an interim import. Whether we take it up is a different matter.
But the reason why we say it depends on AMCA's timeline is because we don't want both our adversaries to steal a considerable lead in the look-first/shoot-first department. But given the accelerated timeline of PAF's J-35 induction, a decade-long period of adversary dominance in that department is now a given even if AMCA sticks to its timeline (2030-2040 minimum between PAF J-35 operationalization & our AMCA operationalization).
The question now is, will we go for interim import in order to cut down on the number of years where PLAAF+PAF will have extensive freedom to exploit that advantage.
The answer will be equal parts technical & political.
You need a better translator. I compared Akash with Hawk.
And I compared Sky Bow with S-400, Indian BMD, and PGLRSAM.
Ramjet + combat proven against Chinese technologies.
Ready for deliveries before PLA invasion. We can deliver more missiles and batteries from our stocks during war.
They have offered MKI-level ToT. I think these concerns were exaggerated 'cause the Russians were developing a Russia-specific version at the time.
We don't have a "5th gen" answer to the J-35. My posts to Saaho should make my view clear. Post 3266 and 3269.
Anyway, PAF needs a J-35, we don't need an equivalent yet.
400 million $ doing the trick..... I wonder how MAGA going to spin this 5D chess move by the property dealer.
Has it been combat-proven in this conflict? Most of the intercepts India showed were of Turkish drones, and no debris from any Chinese air-to-ground missiles was shown.
While Indians are madly slandering Chinese missiles, Pakistan at least displayed the wreckage of several Storm Shadow and BrahMos missiles.
As for ramjet engines, that was a technology that countries abandoned for use in air-to-air missiles in the 1970s. Of course, India has now decided to give up on it too.
When India fantasizes about aiding a developed industrial region whose per capita GDP is 15 times that of its own, it should first turn its PPT into reality.
Taiwan's own Strongbow missile is becoming a reality (Taiwanese version of HQ19), while India's are just models at the air show
What are you on about? Both the Indian BMD and Akash are already in service atleast get the basic facts right.