Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

The worry for me is - pak will use time to plug holes in their AD and will purchase high impact weapons for punch on first 5 days of warfare.

India gave away lessons to pak for low cost. I also feel prolonged war is not in India's favour.

What they learned is they have absolutely no way of matching India's military. It will take them 10-15 years of effort to plug the holes, and that's with money. They need all new IADS, new comm system, new EW capabilities, and new jets.

India will forever have problem with Islam (0.5 + pak + bangla) + internal leftists.

Pakistan has supporters because people believe they challenge India's existence. That illusion's been demolished.

Now the new normal is we will pummel them every time they act up.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the future of Islam in India. Tech-savvy kids will learn about Islam through AI instead of imams, quit Islam, and later embrace Hinduism, just like how the new generation in Iran have started accepting Zoroastrianism.

 
Shortcomings must be addressed mate. Otherwise we are no better than Pakistanis chest thumping and claiming victory right now.

Anyway, my question is what is India's answer to Pak possibly getting the J35 in say 5yrs time? No doubt they will expedite their plans to acquire these jets in order to come back in a few years with a face saving. China has vested interest beyond geopolitical maneuvering now as their ISR assets were hit during Op Sindoor.

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LCA Mk1A for now, and then LCA Mk2 and MRFA a few years later. Perhaps a stopgap of 40 Rafales to boot.

In the meantime, the J-35 will have to mature.

We are launching 52 new ISR satellites by next year to make up for gaps in surveillance. We will eventually climb up to 250 new sats a few years later.
 
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Leave Mk1 it will be on Mk1a with AESA radar and reduced RCS. Our Mk1a will become lumber 1 air force buster

I think next time Porks will try to spam missiles and more Fatah MLRS, so we need Netra Mk1 AWACS to be flying internally around our airbases and capital city to detect those projectiles and then we can engage them using Astra and R77 on our Tejas Mk1. Anyways I don't think Tejas mk1 will be useful in either border, so it can be used for internal air defence from missiles and projectiles launched by enemy. That can be our first layer of AD with S400, Kusha, Barak 8, Akash and L70 forming the other layers.


I thought Astra Mk2 would have better RCS handling. If in case Pakistan goes for SEAD systems like AGM88G kind of which has a standoff range of 300km , the you would need atleast Astra Mk2 on LCA. When they fly low then range automatically reduces for an AAM.

Pakistanis may increase the standoff distance. While employing drones as cover.
 
The worry for me is - pak will use time to plug holes in their AD and will purchase high impact weapons for punch on first 5 days of warfare.

India gave away lessons to pak for low cost. I also feel prolonged war is not in India's favour.

India will forever have problem with Islam (0.5 + pak + bangla) + internal leftists.
We always goes behind pak with half heart, in 1971 we didn't capture pok, in 1999 our actions were confined only in kargil, now when we have the upper edge we just touch only 20% (asper media report) their capability of PAF. PA & PN in unscratched in this combat, atleast India should have send PN vessels to the abyss.
My main worry is west will re start rearm Pakistan to keep a check on India. Our main object is to avoid such things at any cost, let Pakistan be in Chinese web, let raga cry again and again on china pak cooperation, for time being let us ignore Trump's ranting, frst of all he is not politician and he does similar things in past also on many other international issues earlier.
What they learned is they have absolutely no way of matching India's military. It will take them 10-15 years of effort to plug the holes, and that's with money. They need all new IADS, new comm system, new EW capabilities, and new jets.



Pakistan has supporters because people believe they challenge India's existence. That illusion's been demolished.

Now the new normal is we will pummel them every time they act up.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the future of Islam in India. Tech-savvy kids will learn about Islam through AI instead of imams, quit Islam, and later embrace Hinduism, just like how the new generation in Iran have started accepting Zoroastrianism.

Its just procuring weapons off the shelf, if diplomacy didn't work Pakistan may get things on time just like Ukraine manage.
 
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So basically we took out Chinese radars , Chinese-supported ISR uplinks, UAV/UCAV centers supplied by China which is meant to target IA's strike corps , Airbase which houses JF-17 .....#opsindoor is looking more like an attack on China with a message that " if we can take out your military hardware with ease , OPEC will be cakewalk for us " .
 
So basically we took out Chinese radars , Chinese-supported ISR uplinks, UAV/UCAV centers supplied by China which is meant to target IA's strike corps , Airbase which houses JF-17 .....#opsindoor is looking more like an attack on China with a message that " if we can take out your military hardware with ease , OPEC will be cakewalk for us " .
Or may be we have done a military exercise.
 
We always goes behind pak with half heart, in 1971 we didn't capture pok, in 1999 our actions were confined only in kargil, now when we have the upper edge we just touch only 20% (asper media report) their capability of PAF. PA & PN in unscratched in this combat, atleast India should have send PN vessels to the abyss.
My main worry is west will re start rearm Pakistan to keep a check on India. Our main object is to avoid such things at any cost, let Pakistan be in Chinese web, let raga cry again and again on china pak cooperation, for time being let us ignore Trump's ranting, frst of all he is not politician and he does similar things in past also on many other international issues
I think Modi + doval did not want long drawn war.....remember, Russia is fighting Ukraine for many years.

Lets trust Modi.

@randomradio would those second hand m2000s from qatar have fired any of the missiles used in operation sindhoor?
 
Shortcomings must be addressed mate. Otherwise we are no better than Pakistanis chest thumping and claiming victory right now.

Anyway, my question is what is India's answer to Pak possibly getting the J35 in say 5yrs time? No doubt they will expedite their plans to acquire these jets in order to come back in a few years with a face saving. China has vested interest beyond geopolitical maneuvering now as their ISR assets were hit during Op Sindoor.

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They plan to induct J-35 in about 2 years, not 5 years. In 5 years, they would have become largely proficient in operating it.

The J-35 will bring an ability to comfortably penetrate Indian airspace - as long as they manage to exploit any gaps in our AD. However if they try to penetrate when our IADS is still functioning, I'm pretty confident that our network is capable of bringing it down (long-wavelength radars to detect & pass info on to multiple FCRs).

As things stand however, the J-10C+PL15 combo is not far behind the Rafale+Meteor combo in terms of BVR capabilities. While Meteor still holds a significant kinematic advantage (ramjet vs dual-pulse rocket), once you factor in our restrictive ROEs the PAF actually holds certain advantages that come with initiative. But in purely aerial engagements, the J-35 will tilt the look-first/shoot-first advantage completely in PAF's favour. So yes, IAF will face a severe disadvantage once that bird becomes operational. And as things stand, they will continue to hold that decisive advantage in this department for a good 10-15 years (till whenever AMCA becomes operational).

I've said it before, and I still stand by it:


This is a significant capability gap that we must seek to plug via a G2G deal, but in the meantime there are technical & political objectives we must meet. Like the induction of significantly more AEW & COMJOM assets, and the political decision to target & disable Pak military assets through SEAD/DEAD & taking out tactical airpower while it's still on the ground through missile attacks BEFORE going for the terrorist camps.

We already have the precedent of PAF coming to the aid of & retaliating on behalf of terror targets (tbh, we'd have that precedent since 2019) so it would be prudent to address PAF first before going after terrorists in future. Following the ceasefire, we've made several statements to the tune of "we will not treat Pak military as being different to terrorist assets".

Hope we live by that the next time there's a terrorist attack of the scale that requires military retaliation*, otherwise the GOI through restrictive ROEs is simply setting the IAF up to fail.

* If my hunch is right, that's not far away. Pak (on the instructions of China) wants to drag us into a long, protracted conventional war (if you ask me, that is why we made the call to target their nuclear infrastructure to bring about the ceasefire early). They have an endless supply of radicalized recruits willing & happy to die, so they're the perfect cannon fodder for the PRC to keep us occupied on the Western front.
 
Shortcomings must be addressed mate. Otherwise we are no better than Pakistanis chest thumping and claiming victory right now.

Anyway, my question is what is India's answer to Pak possibly getting the J35 in say 5yrs time? No doubt they will expedite their plans to acquire these jets in order to come back in a few years with a face saving. China has vested interest beyond geopolitical maneuvering now as their ISR assets were hit during Op Sindoor.

@randomradio @Rajput Lion @Jaymax @Ashwin @Parthu
F-35....
What they learned is they have absolutely no way of matching India's military. It will take them 10-15 years of effort to plug the holes, and that's with money. They need all new IADS, new comm system, new EW capabilities, and new jets.



Pakistan has supporters because people believe they challenge India's existence. That illusion's been demolished.

Now the new normal is we will pummel them every time they act up.

Anyway, I'm not worried about the future of Islam in India. Tech-savvy kids will learn about Islam through AI instead of imams, quit Islam, and later embrace Hinduism, just like how the new generation in Iran have started accepting Zoroastrianism.

Turks are making quite a decent IADS right now.
 
We're already working on MW-class DEW/Laser weapon(both ground based & airborne) to intercept tactical ballistic missiles. But first we will deploy 30KW, 100K and 300KW DEWs on our ground/Naval platforms before we climb up the MW class ladder.

Bloody MW class can fry Satellite as well. As we go up, rate of intensity decrease will be less. What say? Benefit of laser is that we can bring down Drone and other AC at just couple of USD operational cost.
 
Nah s-500 has 600 km range. Kusha isn't even in the same category.
The kusha is basically a super barak 8. We also need David sling production in India.

Kusha will have Barak 8 seeker which is very accurate. It will be very effective in quick reaction and effective against cruise missile. S 400 are more effective at medium altitude long range. S 500 can be very effective against high altitude target as well. For very high altitude, AAD, PDV, AD1 and AD2. That is what I believe.
 
I think by 2030 we can do this easily but we need way more AWACS, 4.5 gen fighters, conventional ballistic/cruise missile, HG missiles along with satellites and robust cyberwarfare capabilities. By 2035 im sure we will be in an even more robust position with all of the above operational.

MWF. MWF is the best. For additional fighters, SU 57 may be considered though airforce is very much impressed with Rafale.
 
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