Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

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I have full confidence in the Pakistani Air Force. These people are essentially a knightly order composed of the most elite nobles in Pakistani society.
But I don't have much confidence in the Pakistani Army. Their tactics and organizational methods are no different from those of the Indian Army. Neither of them has adapted to the war course after the Russia-Ukraine war.
I haven't seen the Pakistani Army install protective nets on its tanks, nor have I witnessed the large-scale use of fpv in the recent Pakistani Army exercises. However, in the military exercises in India, I have seen the large-scale use of fpv in India. So this is what I'm worried about

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knightly order lol........this guys certainly a lahori porkisstani.
 
I have nothing to say here. May be it makes India great. Pakistan doesn't believe in doing stuff silently or when enemy is not present. Whatever we do, we do it openly. This is how we operate.

What you did during balakot? no engagement with Paf. Next day in press conference, You said target wasn't Pakistan armed forces and we don't want direct confrontation with pak armed forces. Check our response. I know it's a debate but we engaged IAF directly, basically made them angry by intruding in your airspace etc. This is us, always us. We do it openly. What is the purpose of airforce if it can't handle enemy airforce and refrain from attacking them directly etc. but yes i agree, balakot is history. Let's see whether you try it this time or not. As i said earlier, dropping bombs is so easy now even with jamming of signals from both sides.

Yes, our attack was on "non-military targets," and we stuck with that plan. The attack was also conducted so Pakistan can pretend it never happened.

This time the attack will be massive and overt with no room for deniablity, whatever it will be. I'm guessing missiles rather than air strikes.

PA's only response can be knee-jerk because that's the hole they have dug themselves into. We don't need to do that. Maybe the attack will happen tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next month... until then you are gonna have to wait.

Right now is the sowing season in Pakistan (Apr-June) and there won't be sufficient water in some areas. By June we will know how good or bad the monsoon will be too. So we can use water to make the regular joe Pakistani feel the hurt, especially the ones in Pakjab. So this may also be taken into account before the attack happens.
 
Yes, our attack was on "non-military targets," and we stuck with that plan. The attack was also conducted so Pakistan can pretend it never happened.

This time the attack will be massive and overt with no room for deniablity, whatever it will be. I'm guessing missiles rather than air strikes.

PA's only response can be knee-jerk because that's the hole they have dug themselves into. We don't need to do that. Maybe the attack will happen tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next month... until then you are gonna have to wait.

Right now is the sowing season in Pakistan (Apr-June) and there won't be sufficient water in some areas. By June we will know how good or bad the monsoon will be too. So we can use water to make the regular joe Pakistani feel the hurt, especially the ones in Pakjab. So this may also be taken into account before the attack happens.
We are ready. I would like to tell you that from our side, it will also be not like the previous time. There are plans in place. Water issue? We will see it later. First we have to deal with India. We also wish to see overt. Everything is fair in love and war so yes we are prepared. Now there is no love so war is probably the last solution. It looks like you have decided to do it so let's see. Months, years, doesn't matter. There is still no evidence handed over to us. Window of opportunity is small. let's see who comes out strong after this confrontation.
Then why did Pakistani army hang Mujibur Rehman wasn't he a muslim and why Pakistan army sexually molested 1 million Bengali women (including muslim women) in (east Pakistan) Bangladesh? In south Asia more than religion it is caste and region which has more dominance over anything.
Why you intervened in bangladesh issue? Anyway best of luck.
 
We are ready. I would like to tell you that from our side, it will also be not like the previous time. There are plans in place. Water issue? We will see it later. First we have to deal with India. We also wish to see overt. Everything is fair in love and war so yes we are prepared. Now there is no love so war is probably the last solution. It looks like you have decided to do it so let's see. Months, years, doesn't matter. There is still no evidence handed over to us. Window of opportunity is small. let's see who comes out strong after this confrontation.

Why you intervened in bangladesh issue? Anyway best of luck.
Please don't engage in this kindergarten level of arguments. This is not your family whatsapp group.

If you don't have anything constructive then don't post anything.
 
also recent Rafale stuff near border, full A2a, rafale. We were against each other. J-10c FOX3? Rafales turned back. There were repoprts of large numbers of fighters at that particular date, somewhere near 60 jets in the air at the same time.

Anyway let's hope for no war.Nobody here wants war because it's not an issue of ego here. We are humble and focused.
SPECTRA was probably sniffing your EM emissions, you fool! There is nothing in your arsenal that can stop Rafale when it's coming for your a** in full anger.
 
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We are ready. I would like to tell you that from our side, it will also be not like the previous time. There are plans in place. Water issue? We will see it later. First we have to deal with India. We also wish to see overt. Everything is fair in love and war so yes we are prepared. Now there is no love so war is probably the last solution. It looks like you have decided to do it so let's see. Months, years, doesn't matter. There is still no evidence handed over to us. Window of opportunity is small. let's see who comes out strong after this confrontation.

Victory or defeat doesn't really matter. Victory is alright, but defeat means the Indian govt will be under greater pressure to perform the next time, and that means more funds for military modernization.

The Modi govt is going to set a precedent that all other future govts are going to have to follow if they do not want to be seen as pushovers. And they will have to match the current govt's gusto in providing the military a free hand too.

Once a precedent is set, there's no going back. And as I said earlier, as India gets richer and its military becomes more powerful, the leadership will also become more assertive.
 
Victory or defeat doesn't really matter. Victory is alright, but defeat means the Indian govt will be under greater pressure to perform the next time, and that means more funds for military modernization.

The Modi govt is going to set a precedent that all other future govts are going to have to follow if they do not want to be seen as pushovers. And they will have to match the current govt's gusto in providing the military a free hand too.

Once a precedent is set, there's no going back. And as I said earlier, as India gets richer and its military becomes more powerful, the leadership will also become more assertive.
 
Why you intervened in bangladesh issue? Anyway best of luck.

This doesn't answer my question, you said muslims are community, when Gaza needs your so called Pakistan military more, you are trying to f*ck with India and ignoring your responsibilities as an Islamic state. This points towards your double standard when it come to religion and quom.
 
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I know, already stated it. One of those is due to the cancelations of many contracts for the army, while PA kept going with imports, like SH-15. And the other is all this reorganization stuff and reducing manpower. We lost 3 years of frontline recruitment for example, and ou ovall firepower hasn't kept up with the loss in manpower.

But it doesn't change things much today. We are not prepared for a two-front war, but we can manage one front at a time. Things will start resolving only after 2030.
 
I know, already stated it. One of those is due to the cancelations of many contracts for the army, while PA kept going with imports, like SH-15. And the other is all this reorganization stuff and reducing manpower. We lost 3 years of frontline recruitment for example, and ou ovall firepower hasn't kept up with the loss in manpower.

But it doesn't change things much today. We are not prepared for a two-front war, but we can manage one front at a time. Things will start resolving only after 2030.
Means Modi government is more disaster than mms government on defense?
 
Victory or defeat doesn't really matter. Victory is alright, but defeat means the Indian govt will be under greater pressure to perform the next time, and that means more funds for military modernization.

The Modi govt is going to set a precedent that all other future govts are going to have to follow if they do not want to be seen as pushovers. And they will have to match the current govt's gusto in providing the military a free hand too.

Once a precedent is set, there's no going back. And as I said earlier, as India gets richer and its military becomes more powerful, the leadership will also become more assertive.
same. it doesn't matter to us as well as we need to prepare ourselves for a much bigger war and we have to change our mindset and strategies. Military needs modernisation as well. Right now, we are very well organised. We also need more bigger and more long range nuclear missiles and will do it anyway. As i said, it's about existential threat and thank god china is always there to assist. I say China is the new engineering marvel. Their 6th generation fighter jet, it looks good. There are many plans obviously. I think china and Pakistan will make another fighter jet just like jf-17 and more new shiny submarines etc.

WE are ready to face India today but yes, many old weapons needs to be changed. I say 5 years is a short time but we need a framework so that we can procure quickly. I think Americans will also cooperate because they are worried and they don't want to see Pakistan in chinese camp. They might give us more f-16s and new amraams etc. I am happy with our current situation. This standoff is like an eye opener that will bring drastic change in our approach.
 
This doesn't answer my question, you said muslims are community, when Gaza needs your so called Pakistan military more, you are trying to f*ck with India and ignoring your responsibilities as an Islamic state. This points towards your double standard when it come to religion and quom.
arabs will not give permission for troops to stay. arabs have sympathy towards Israel. I also have sympathy for Israel because i know Iran. Our balochistan is in mess thanks to Iran. I don't trust Iran. Yes we don't want Israel to kill Gazans but what can we do! there is nothing that we can do because of geographical issues. Same with Bangladesh,separated from mainland Pakistan and thousand miles away. that is why bangladesh happened but i don't want to go in detail. Let's talk about Pakistan and India.
 
also recent Rafale stuff near border, full A2a, rafale. We were against each other. J-10c FOX3? Rafales turned back. There were repoprts of large numbers of fighters at that particular date, somewhere near 60 jets in the air at the same time.

Anyway let's hope for no war.Nobody here wants war because it's not an issue of ego here. We are humble and focused.
The pov from our side is that we literally got a lock on the j-10c's in Sialkot. Thats why the whole story is being cooked up by your side. That's your reality. The same thing happened with mig 29 locking on your f-16's in Kargil. The same way the mig 21 of abhinandan shooting down your f-16 with the doosra Banda.
knightly order lol........this guys certainly a lahori porkisstani.
Nah he is a Chinese wumao. The Pakdogs for all their stupidity actually are not as cringeworthy as the average *censored* wumao.
 
Means Modi government is more disaster than mms government on defense?

No, it's the cost of modernization. There will be some temporary short-term hiccups for a more powerful end result. In 5 years, we will be capable of multidomain operations like the US and China at a global scale. We will transition from a regional power to a great power. China did that by reducing their ground forces from 3 million to less than 1 million.

Right now, we have failed to modernize adequately quickly enough, prefering to push it to the 2030-45 period. Our 2020-25 goals are still at the level of a regional power, with stopgaps, emergency purchases, infra etc, while working on long term programs in the background (AMCA, FRCV/FICV, artillery etc). An exception is force multipliers like a C4ISR network, satellite constellations, AWACS, ISTAR etc, which will all be functional by 2030. We plan on getting large deals done between 2025-30 for full delivery by 2035-45. That's our aim. Only the navy's working fast, the govt has given them the highest priority.

In the meantime, we had to sacrifice some capabilities, stuff I've already pointed out. And manpower shortages mean we had to weaken parts of our border (Pakistan) to strengthen other parts (China). Until 2035 or so our stopgap plan is to use greater firepower (IRF, FPV drones, air strikes, SAMs) and superior logistics with lesser number of troops than planned against Pakistan and with somewhat adequate number of troops against China.
 
The meeting between PM, NSA and Navy chief is very significant. Expect announcement of Naval Blockade of Pakistan followed by complete destruction of Pak Navy, Karachi and Pasni port in Gwader. This will kill CPEC. IN might even load up Amphi brigade of 54th Div to take out Balochistan. This Amphi brigade will sail out and will reach the coast of Gwader after Pak Navy has been sunk. SU-30MKI and MIg-29K will enforce local air superiority in that area while increasing pressure on Pak Eastern Border. This is my assesment. We may throw in both CBGs into battle, one to destroy Pak Navy and second to protect the Amphi forces.
 
The meeting between PM, NSA and Navy chief is very significant. Expect announcement of Naval Blockade of Pakistan followed by complete destruction of Pak Navy, Karachi and Pasni port in Gwader. This will kill CPEC. IN might even load up Amphi brigade of 54th Div to take out Balochistan. This Amphi brigade will sail out and will reach the coast of Gwader after Pak Navy has been sunk. SU-30MKI and MIg-29K will enforce local air superiority in that area while increasing pressure on Pak Eastern Border. This is my assesment. We may throw in both CBGs into battle, one to destroy Pak Navy and second to protect the Amphi forces.
Vstol, with so much respect, a naval blockade in this time and age is impossible. it's not practical.
 
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same. it doesn't matter to us as well as we need to prepare ourselves for a much bigger war and we have to change our mindset and strategies. Military needs modernisation as well. Right now, we are very well organised. We also need more bigger and more long range nuclear missiles and will do it anyway. As i said, it's about existential threat and thank god china is always there to assist. I say China is the new engineering marvel. Their 6th generation fighter jet, it looks good. There are many plans obviously. I think china and Pakistan will make another fighter jet just like jf-17 and more new shiny submarines etc.

WE are ready to face India today but yes, many old weapons needs to be changed. I say 5 years is a short time but we need a framework so that we can procure quickly. I think Americans will also cooperate because they are worried and they don't want to see Pakistan in chinese camp. They might give us more f-16s and new amraams etc. I am happy with our current situation. This standoff is like an eye opener that will bring drastic change in our approach.

If you are talking about military modernization, there's a point beyond which Pakistan will no longer be competitive without creating its own industry. The Chinese are always going to keep you a level or two below themselves. Good luck trying to catch up.

But the Pakistani economy is the real Gordion knot. And the existence of PA ensures the Pakistanis will have to untie that knot with both hands tied behind their backs. You have been surviving because of bailout programs. Those sources are drying up.

Some sections of the GCC want to firmly enter India's camp. With the West going apesh!t over climate change and renewables, China too, they need India for continued survival. You must have seen the sort of "support" they provided Gazans recently, their interest in religious conflicts is waning. Plus most Iranians and Arabs have given up on Islam (50% Arabs and 70% Iranians). Guess it has a lot to do with people actually understanding the words rather than reading a language they don't understand, like in Pakistan. So even Iran is being primed for a revolution.

That leaves China and America.

China is going to be suppressed. They have made too many enemies, and they have tried to fix things (India and Russia especially) but no one believes them. The issue for Pakistan is unlike a decade ago when a few billion every few years was enough to buy time, now the requirement is in pretty high double digits every year. The Chinese cannot dump $10-20B into Pakistan just to keep it afloat with Trump and the Republicans around trying to suppress them. Plus the suppression of China has become a bipartisan effort, so there's no getting around it. And at the same time, Russia and India are modernizing at a rapid rate further compounding their security problems. Add to that their population woes coming up before getting rich, tying their hands more than anything else. In such a situation, they are gonna have to go slower at pissing off India while also hurting themselves by financially supporting Pakistan.

America has the ability to keep Pakistan afloat, but you are gonna have to give up on nukes in some way or the other. You will have to cut down on your military expenditure too. So it's not gonna come free like it has been. And this arrangement could be temporary before they leave the IOR region to India once Iran is dealt with. F-16s are passe.

These are the problems you face even without Indian economic interference. If India's current posture lasts long enough, then...
 
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