Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

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Ignorants, calm down, will ya? The wumao and mamu make more sense than you do.

We have plenty of enemies in the world. They will use any excuse they can in order to paint India as the aggressor. Even if we are not punished for it today, it will be used against us whenever they desire, or simply use our own logic against us when they do it. It will set a precedent.

There are plenty of terrorist targets all over the place, like locations in Muridke, Bhawalpur etc. We are gonna attack one/some of those and wait for the Pakistanis to escalate on their own.

When it comes to large actions, the air force will be the first to act. Then comes a small naval attack at critical infra. Then comes the army's forays into Pakistan supported by the air force, leading to a limited war. And the navy will be the last to act in a big way before the last rung of the ladder takes us to a full-fledged war.

When the navy steps in, in a big way, the intention will be the destruction of Pakistan as a state.
 
Yes , thunder on its own isn't too effective.
That's why PAF has very extensive networking in the form of Link 17 and Link 16.
The later being the well known NATO standard link between jets and platforms.
The former was specifically developed for translation of Chinese jets signals into NATO standard, and Link any Chinese origin jet into the network with western platforms.
That means JF 17 can communicate with Swedish Erieye AWACS and Chinese ZDK Karakoram eagles.

Chinese jets communicating with Erieye versus PL-15 integration with the Erieye are not the same. All NATO radars come with the interfaces necessary for the integration of any NATO-std communication system, it's easy, it's designed that way. PL-15 requires fire control information and data link interfacing, that means China requires access to the source codes of the Erieye or Saab needs to be given access to the seeker, comm system, and guidance system of the PL-15.

There's no chance Saab would ever allow China to tinker with the radar. And in case PL-15E access has been given to Saab for integration, then fine. But it's quite unlikely that the original PL-15s supplied overnight would be given the same treatment.

The only option is for the JF-17 to act as a mule for the J-10Cs, considering the J-10 and JF-17 are integrated. Difficult to say since the J-10 is still quite new.
 
I'm assuming the newly formed IBGs will lead the charge as part of any ground offensive. First time we'd have a combined arms formation going into battle. Should be interesting.

I just wish we hadn't delayed the creation of theatre commands and in particular the joint AD command that Gen. Bipin Rawat had proposed. It would've streamlined the procurement of new SPAAG and DRDO QRSAM for forward units.
 
That explains the movement of the sh-15's across punjab sector. So we might actually be going to war huh.
Both side moved things after Parliament attack, cantonment attack, mumbai attack, uri& pathankot. Just for your information.
 
Both side moved things after Parliament attack, cantonment attack, mumbai attack, uri& pathankot. Just for your information.
Nah that only happened in case of op parakram. The paxi's were moving their t-55's and al-khalids. They really weren't any major movement of artillery.
 
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Indian diplomatic & political class is on record post Balakot that even a hint of terror attack planning on India by Porkistan will bring retaliation..... There is no solution other than war.
 
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Frankly my observation about RST's antics were restricted to the penultimate paragraph in my post pertaining to the procurement of Rafales but since he's misconstrued it to mean my observations for the entire post of mine ( not unusual in the least given the high esteem he holds himself in , so what if some of his observations are laughable & others , well, part of his febrile imagination ) , let's examine them .

The only 2 enemies we've are China & Paxtan. We can add Bangladesh to this list too but they're in a completely different league so I'd not bring them in for now .

We're still a decade away from PLAN being a regular feature in the IOR & my stance on this issue is well known . I expect the issue over Taiwan to be resolved by then & irrespective who wins , like I said before , it'd be a Pyrrhic victory which translates to mean China'd take a good 2 decades if not more to rebuild their forces to current levels & that's a very big IF in capital letters.

So any naval attack by China's ruled out which brings us to PLA & PLAAF. I wonder how would RST characterise PLA's actions in the summer of 2020. As far as PLAAF goes , as & when the inevitable showdown happens , I wonder if RST thinks China's going to serve us notice or just go ahead & do their thing.

See what I mean when I previously stated RST assembles all the facts in the public domain , puts them together & comes to the wrong conclusion.

As far as Paxtan goes they've a history of targeting both our civilian as well as military installations since forever. I mean what was Uri , Pathankot & Pulwama all about ? And that's not just the half of it , the list is much longer like the rare fedayeen attack in a car on the Army Base in Badami Bagh or the Kaluchak massacre of army personnel & their families or even the fedayeen attack on the J&K assembly followed by the one on Parliament .

If anything we ought to be grateful to them for confusing tactics with strategy. Consider the 26/11 attacks . It's thanks to them we've installed transponders on all our boats - civilan as well as military & set up a control station in Delhi (?) IIRC to monitor sea traffic in the near seas.

It they do reciprocate it'd be with drones in peace time like what we're seeing Ukraine do to Russia deep in the hinterland. If we don't secure ourselves thoroughly we'd have only ourselves to blame . Then again see it as a wake up call before the real test against China.

All that fluff about Muridke , Bahawalpur etc is just that . If Leaderji wants to cop it out that's what he'd do. The problem is this . Ever since the response to Uri which is what we've been doing forever beginning from PV Narasimha Rao's tenure as PM , only on a slightly bigger scale , Leaderji has set the bar several times higher by publicising those operations.

Result - people's expectations have gotten higher. For Balakot he took it up several notches , by launching air strikes deep in the heart of Paxtan & not just PoJ&K. What's he going to do now which doesn't drag us into an unintentional war ?

See , the idea behind what I'm proposing is we strike to destroy their war waging capabilities not get into a war of attrition with them especially with the Chinese sword hanging over our heads. Whereas what RST is proposing is the very opposite of mine which will inevitably lead to a war of attrition , something we can ill afford as of today not with the Chinese problem unsolved & with them with an army on the LAC.

The last thing we should look forward to is withdraw men & assets from the LAC directing them to the LoC . With the Chinese still there , they'd swoop down in a jiffy like a vulture on carcass & there goes 5 years of whatever we've achieved down the drain. Our time against Paxtan will come but today is not that day. For perspective consider this - we're no longer in 2019 . Consider what Paxtan was then & see how far they've fallen on every parameter since. Then consider what they would be like in 2030 . As we grow & they sink especially Fauji Foundation, we're going to see an escalation in the frequency of such attacks perhaps extended to all across the western borders not just restricted to J&K .

I'm left with a sense of foreboding & it's not about what we're going to face vis a vis Paxtan or later on with China , it's to do with RST's analysing a situation to generate predictions. If this is the best he's got to offer , I'm afraid that score of 0/10 will remain as immaculate as ever , forever. It's a frightful thought but it is what it is. I'm still rooting for RST lest people think I've given up on him.
 
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Frankly my observation about RST's antics were restricted to the penultimate paragraph in my post pertaining to the procurement of Rafales but since he's misconstrued it to mean my observations for the entire post of mine ( not unusual in the least given the high esteem he holds himself in , so what if some of his observations are laughable & others , well, part of his febrile imagination ) , let's examine them .

The only 2 enemies we've are China & Paxtan. We can add Bangladesh to this list too but they're in a completely different league so I'd not bring them in for now .

We're still a decade away from PLAN being a regular feature in the IOR & my stance on this issue is well known . I expect the issue over Taiwan to be resolved by then & irrespective who wins , like I said before , it'd be a Pyrrhic victory which translates to mean China'd take a good 2 decades if not more to rebuild their forces to current levels & that's a very big IF in capital letters.

So any naval attack by China's ruled out which brings us to PLA & PLAAF. I wonder how would RST characterise PLA's actions in the summer of 2020. As far as PLAAF goes , as & when the inevitable showdown happens , I wonder if RST thinks China's going to serve us notice or just go ahead & do their thing.

See what I mean when I previously stated RST assembles all the facts in the public domain , puts them together & comes to the wrong conclusion.

As far as Paxtan goes they've a history of targeting both our civilian as well as military installations since forever. I mean what was Uri , Pathankot & Pulwama all about ? And that's not just the half of it , the list is much longer like the rare fedayeen attack in a car on the Army Base in Badami Bagh or the Kaluchak massacre of army personnel & their families or even the fedayeen attack on the J&K assembly followed by the one on Parliament .

If anything we ought to be grateful to them for confusing tactics with strategy. Consider the 26/11 attacks . It's thanks to them we've installed transponders on all our boats - civilan as well as military & set up a control station in Delhi (?) IIRC to monitor sea traffic in the near seas.

It they do reciprocate it'd be with drones in peace time like what we're seeing Ukraine do to Russia deep in the hinterland. If we don't secure ourselves thoroughly we'd have only ourselves to blame . Then again see it as a wake up call before the real test against China.

All that fluff about Muridke , Bahawalpur etc is just that . If Leaderji wants to cop it out that's what he'd do. The problem is this . Ever since the response to Uri which is what we've been doing forever beginning from PV Narasimha Rao's tenure as PM , only on a slightly bigger scale , Leaderji has set the bar several times higher by publicising those operations.

Result - people's expectations have gotten higher. For Balakot he took it up several notches , by launching air strikes deep in the heart of Paxtan & not just PoJ&K. What's he going to do now which doesn't drag us into an unintentional war ?

See , the idea behind what I'm proposing is we strike to destroy their war waging capabilities not get into a war of attrition with them especially with the Chinese sword hanging over our heads. Whereas what RST is proposing is the very opposite of mine which will inevitably lead to a war of attrition , something we can ill afford as of today not with the Chinese problem unsolved & with them with an army on the LAC.

The last thing we should look forward to is withdraw men & assets from the LAC directing them to the LoC . With the Chinese still there , they'd swoop down in a jiffy like a vulture on carcass & there goes 5 years of whatever we've achieved down the drain. Our time against Paxtan will come but today is not that day. For perspective consider this - we're no longer in 2019 . Consider what Paxtan was then & see how far they've fallen on every parameter since. Then consider what they would be like in 2030 . As we grow & they sink especially Fauji Foundation, we're going to see an escalation in the frequency of such attacks perhaps extended to all across the western borders not just restricted to J&K .

I'm left with a sense of foreboding & it's not about what we're going to face vis a vis Paxtan or later on with China , it's to do with RST's analysing a situation to generate predictions. If this is the best he's got to offer , I'm afraid that score of 0/10 will remain as immaculate as ever , forever. It's a frightful thought but it is what it is. I'm still rooting for RST lest people think I've given up on him.
You sound like typical IT celliya on social media busy scaring people about what this war will cost India..... Typical Delhi bhadarloki dhoti shivering bureaucratic mindset.
 
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The truth is, for India to enforce a naval blockade on Pakistan, it does not need an aircraft carrier or anything like that. Only Brahmos and LRaSHM are enough.
 
No surprise, Afghanistan is necessary for attack on karachi port. BLA wlll launch biggest operation.
No attack on karachi from Afghanistan, they will capture the northern part of Pakistan & hold. All depends on indian action here, if we have guts Afghanistan map will be different.
 
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