Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

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Not necessarily. It'll just mean we downgrade our diplomatic relations with Pak - which we already did. Just with a label this time.

That is easy to do. But we cannot attack their economy on our own. Only the West has that power.

Another way to go about this is targeted sanctioning of companies that are owned/invested in by PA Generals.

India does not use sanctions as a matter of policy.
 
@Hydra and all those who think we can't take on Pak successfully(or China) should read @Hellfire 's tweet posted above by @randomradio. I've been myself saying this for long.

A BrahMos barrage is good enough to bring Pak to its knees. Destroying their key infra along with training camps should be our no. one priority. Hit them where it would hurt them the most.

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MKI with Derby-ER could have caused heavy casualty to PAF formation during Swift Retreat. Still in 2024 the same scenario is repeating and we would be damned if IAF didn't covertly integrate Derby-ER with MKI. Thankfully for us we've 36 Rafales/S-400 with Meteor/40N6, otherwise PAF J-10CE with PL-15 could've caused serious problem for us.
 
The PMO lost a lot of faith in the IAF's ability after 2019.

What? If that was the case, they would have modernized faster.

But unfortunately, our tactical equation vis-a-vis Pak is still roughly at the same level today as it was 6 years ago. Just slightly better (Rafale ~ J-10CE, S400 ~ HQ9P). This is why I keep saying that we don't have time to play games with IAF procurement anymore.

Not even close. We are on an entirely different level today.

Even the Chinese don't claim what you have claimed, and Pakistan has export models in inadequate numbers.

J-10CE is still export grade. Rafale is a full generation ahead. Plus they are still learning the ropes. You can guess it's not been fully operationalized yet. PAF wants to induct new F-16s.

The HQ-9's interception range is 125 km on a good day.

Nigeria's reported poor performance of the VT-4. The Pakistanis dropped their order by half, from around 500 to 250.

Almost nothing's going well in Pakistan when it comes to modernization. It's unclear if they have even restored most of their compromised capabilities they demonstrated in 2019.

All the stuff we have dropped into our inventory is meant to fight China.
 
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Picking the example of a missile attack (say we deploy Brahmos), they will respond with something similar. One way to negate that is to have our ADS systems up and running in all sensitive locations and shoot down a few of their missiles.

That would increase costs on them. We can intercept their systems better than they can ours. And we can increase costs via physical damage and win the perception war.

Another option is a massive debilitating strike against all Pak infra - destroy their ability to fight with a massive strike throughout the country - electricity, transport, communications should all be disabled. They will have one option - that option is the one they cannot afford to choose.

That could become part of our escalation matrix. But I think our main focus will be to end with a limited war and force them into negotiations.

Retaking some border areas will impose extremely heavy costs. Haji Pir Pass, Kartapur corridor etc. Tactically too, Kartapur will place us on the other side of the Ravi river, and possession of the pass can significantly diminish infiltration, while we can connect Uri and Poonch.
 
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What? If that was the case, they would have modernized faster.

We were already in the process of modernizing...Rafale & S400 deals were already signed before that point.

Unfortunately the enemy has also modernized. Not to the same level, yes - but enough that the decisive advantage we thought we'd have isn't so decisive anymore.

Not even close. We are on an entirely different level today.

Even the Chinese don't claim what you have claimed, and Pakistan has export models in inadequate numbers.

J-10CE is still export grade. Rafale is a full generation ahead. Plus they are still learning the ropes. You can guess it's not been fully operationalized yet. PAF wants to induct new F-16s.

The HQ-9's interception range is 125 km on a good day.

Nigeria's reported poor performance of the VT-4. The Pakistanis dropped their order by half, from around 500 to 250.

Almost nothing's going well in Pakistan when it comes to modernization. It's unclear if they have even restored most of their compromised capabilities they demonstrated in 2019.

All the stuff we have dropped into our inventory is meant to fight China.

Not the time or place to get into tactical trivialities. But it is my opinion that IAF will not be involved in our retaliation.

Army/SF all the way.

Happy to be proven wrong.
 
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There are troops for fighting long war, bsf & CRPF almost every battalion has seen combats fighting the war on Red corridor, now they maoists insurgency is almost dead, why not pull of those troops, greyhounds who have played key role in ending the naxal insurgency are doing nothing, less missions for them now, it will be a wasting of such resources let them go, entire unit's who have fought decades in thick jungles, same with odisha sog, STF chattisgarh, IRB battalions from northeast and STF, Maharashtra c-60, there's a enough fighting force, if you want to polish them more you sure can give them additional trainings

They can act as support, which the BSF and ITBP already do. But they don't have the training and equipment necessary for a war.

CAPFs are necessary against the 0.5 front.
 
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@Hydra and all those who think we can't take on Pak successfully(or China) should read @Hellfire 's tweet posted above by @randomradio. I've been myself saying this for long.

A BrahMos barrage is good enough to bring Pak to its knees. Destroying their key infra along with training camps should be our no. one priority. Hit them where it would hurt them the most.

@randomradio

MKI with Derby-ER could have caused heavy casualty to PAF formation during Swift Retreat. Still in 2024 the same scenario is repeating and we would be damned if IAF didn't covertly integrate Derby-ER with MKI. Thankfully for us we've 36 Rafales/S-400 with Meteor/40N6, otherwise PAF J-10CE with PL-15 could've caused serious problem for us.

Let's see, Astra Mk1's more than plugged the gap between the MKI and F-16. Astra Mk2 is ready, we do not know how many prototypes could be available for use. Even if we haven't taken deliveries of piecemeal numbers of I-Derby ER and we have definitely dropped it for our bulk requirement, we could still ask Israel to send some over before we take action. We likely have some already.

And it could be possible that the S-400 is integrated with the MKI, allowing the targeting of AWACS from long range using the 40N6.
 
After all this talk, will there be a military response from the Gov?. From what I'm seeing, there is no threat being made to Pakistan or in an indirect manner. I know what this will be, just like the Reasi incident, the Gov will send in additional troops, some terrorists will be killed, and then everything will die down.

Of course, would be happy to be proven wrong, Pakistan should be dealt with force as it should have been since 2019.
 
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We were already in the process of modernizing...Rafale & S400 deals were already signed before that point.

Unfortunately the enemy has also modernized. Not to the same level, yes - but enough that the decisive advantage we thought we'd have isn't so decisive anymore.

We did not change our plans after 2019, which means we were already on the right track. The only real change was buying Russian AAMs as stopgap.

What changed things was Galwan. And we made massive purchases after that and most of that's been delivered already.

Not the time or place to get into tactical trivialities. But it is my opinion that IAF will not be involved in our retaliation.

Army/SF all the way.

Happy to be proven wrong.

Army cannot do anything big without maneuvering on the field, they can only operate at the level of the 2016 surgical strike with just SF, but we have to take the first step for a major attack with either missile strikes or air strikes.

We gotta start with a "non-military" strike on terrorist camps and wait for Pak to escalate, like we did with Balakot.

If we wanna start small and allow Pak to escalate, it's possible. But the attacks have to be publicly verifiable.
 
I remember last year, I expressed on this forum that the deterioration of the security situation in the Kashmir region was an important factor affecting Modi's election. But I was unanimously ridiculed by the Indians on this forum. They told me how safe Kashmir was today.
 
I remember last year, I expressed on this forum that the deterioration of the security situation in the Kashmir region was an important factor affecting Modi's election. But I was unanimously ridiculed by the Indians on this forum. They told me how safe Kashmir was today.
In recent years, it has been statistically calm in Kashmir.

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It's an easy statement to make about a conflict region and say "I told you so."
 
I remember last year, I expressed on this forum that the deterioration of the security situation in the Kashmir region was an important factor affecting Modi's election. But I was unanimously ridiculed by the Indians on this forum. They told me how safe Kashmir was today.

This has nothing to do with Kashmir. Pakistani terrorists came in and attacked Hindu tourists. A foreign terrorist organization has claimed the attack, the same ones that attacked Mumbai.
 
Yes that Col. Hunny Bakshi was spreading it from yesterday and I myself was mentioning it is fake because non of the initial release by the LeT(trf) mentioned about that stuff which should be suprising because the whole point of the new name and branding is distance it from a mohemmadan terrorist group to armed "resistance" group, but since our own people are spreading that BS IB story the pakees have picked it up and LeT(trf) is saying they are targeting IB guys not civilians based on religious profiling.

See the third pic for initial LeT(trf) release
 
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