The S-400 is Air Force’s answer to depleting fighter strength. It’s time to seal the deal
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Again, is S-400 the only air defense system?
If Chinese decide to attack with their full force, Andaman will fall no matter how many S-400 battalions you place there.
It is part of the multi-layered defense.
Remember no defense system is completely seal-proof. The more the layers, more secured would be the defense.
Indian should look at adding more layers like XRSAM, S-400, S-500 rather than being content with just ~70-100 KM layer.
I don't think anybody over here is looking to be content with 70-100 km cover. But when you have limited resources, you need to judiciously deploy them.
We can certainly go for S-500 for South India, at a later stage.
On a lighter note, all my investments are in South India
.I would hate to learn Chinese at this age 
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None of them will allow their soil to be used against India. If the Chinese come, they will have to either take over that country in the first place or they are stuck on their ships. Any IN-PLAN war will be around the Andaman-SCS region.
You are overestimating the Chinese here.
What's that got to do with the placement of the S-400?
It is more likely that they will if they sense/conclude that Chinese are more powerful than India in the region.
Yes. IN-PLAN war may be around strait of Malacca but that does mean it would be all. It is more likely that PLAN would have already deployed most of its navy in IOR during peace time well before the actual conflict would have started.
The point I was making is that even if Russia deployed zero S-400s no one would dare to breach Russian borders.
S-400 for Andaman is entirely useless. It will be ineffective against both China and Pakistan.
If PLAN deploys its navy in the IOR, they will run out of fuel supplies very quickly. They will just get boxed in and killed using saturation attacks.
In case we lose the war against China, who do you think we will target? The neighbouring countries are not stupid. They won't allow the Chinese to operate from any part of their territory and the IN will ensure their safety.
That is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with how S-400s are deployed.
How about defending against Chinese carrier based fighters?
PLAN plans to deploy J-20 & J-31 on their future carriers.
Future Chinese carriers to deploy J-20, J-31 stealth fighters, says report | Jane's 360
Plan would have bases in IOR - Djbouti, Gwadar etc. Hence will not run out of fuel.
The geography is such that the aircraft will be too far away to be a major threat. The J-20s will be forced to employ cruise missiles and we will have the Barak against the missile barrage. The Barak is much better in such a role.
Like I said, we need S-500 or Phase II BMD.
If the PLARF launch missiles from Harbin, then even the S-400 protecting Delhi is useless.
You mean to say, they will go across the Malacca, bypass the Andamans, cross the extremely dangerous region between India and the Maldives and then move all the way to Africa or Pakistan during a war?
Chinese carriers with useless naval fighters till date won't be able to cross even straits of Malacca. At the very first sight during war it will be sunk/rendered useless by IN using Brahmos. Future PLAN nuclear power carriers will come only by 2030 or later and by then even IN will be much formidable than now with India too sporting a nuclear power carrier or near completion so situation won't change much.
And during war India will let China use those bases? All these shitty countries will be pushing lizard out to save themselves from India s wrath..... Fuel I don't know but they will run out of ships for sure.
China is not America. Even America with all its might won't dare to attack
India and you believe China can, how funny. Any Indo China war would be MAD situation a world crisis.....
First I dont believe India and China will go to war. As India's economy improves we will be having only cold wars or through proxies like Nepal, Pakistan.
South centres should be protected from Pakistani missiles. When I was typing I didnt even think about Chinese ones. But yes, we need to develop various phase BMD starting with BMD-1 first which is yet to be started
A full scale war will not happen. But a localized war is pretty much possible. Sooner or later Chinese economy will hit a speed bump and small scale war is always a good option to divert the attention.
Even this trade war with Trump, I find Chinese coworkers suddenly turning quite vocal against US. Those who criticized Xi earlier, have started supporting him.
These wars will go nuclear very quickly. If we are to be prepared, we need something better than the S-400. If you ask me, we should have been party to the S-500 development process with Russia.
The IAF isn't interested in the F-35 going by the recent comments by the IAF Chief. No point talking about it.
What makes S-400 air defence system a game-changer against Pakistan
MANU PUBBY 26 March, 2018
S-400 air defence system | Commons
Russian missile system’s reach brings almost all Pakistani airbases under India’s target range; it has a shorter deployment time than the US Patriot.
New Delhi: India will spend a large chunk of its defence budget shortly in acquiring the S-400 air defence system. By conservative estimates, the Russian missile system will cost Rs 39,500 crore — the highest India will have ever paid for any such purchase.
What makes the S-400 desirable even at this price — an earlier article in ThePrint had detailed how the decision was reached — is that the system is a true game changer.
As a senior official at South Block puts it, the S-400 has the potential of making the Pakistani Air Force retreat to Afghanistan. The reason being that its reach of 400 km brings almost all airbases in Pakistan under target range. The system also cancels the slight advantage that Pakistan has with its fleet of early warning aircraft.
While fighters and other combat assets may seek to evade the S-400 with low flying tactics, the Pakistani Air Force will not be able to deploy early warning aircraft that can guide fighters to targets in India for fear of them being shot down in the first stage of battle.
Given the declining conventional air edge as India’s fighter fleet sinks, the S-400 will be an important force multiplier that can guard a large portion of the border at a time of conflict.
S-400 versus Patriot
The closest rival to the S-400 is the US’ Patriot system. However, the S-400 has dual advantage – more range and the ability to target more incoming aircraft at the same time. Besides, its manufacturers claim that it has a shorter deployment time than the Patriot.
The customer list for the S-400 includes Russia, China and Turkey. In addition, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco and other Gulf states are also in discussions. Deliveries to China have already started although it is not yet clear where the system would be deployed.
Original Link: What makes S-400 air defence system a game-changer against Pakistan
MANU PUBBY 26 March, 2018
Russian missile system’s reach brings almost all Pakistani airbases under India’s target range; it has a shorter deployment time than the US Patriot.
New Delhi: India will spend a large chunk of its defence budget shortly in acquiring the S-400 air defence system. By conservative estimates, the Russian missile system will cost Rs 39,500 crore — the highest India will have ever paid for any such purchase.
What makes the S-400 desirable even at this price — an earlier article in ThePrint had detailed how the decision was reached — is that the system is a true game changer.
As a senior official at South Block puts it, the S-400 has the potential of making the Pakistani Air Force retreat to Afghanistan. The reason being that its reach of 400 km brings almost all airbases in Pakistan under target range. The system also cancels the slight advantage that Pakistan has with its fleet of early warning aircraft.
While fighters and other combat assets may seek to evade the S-400 with low flying tactics, the Pakistani Air Force will not be able to deploy early warning aircraft that can guide fighters to targets in India for fear of them being shot down in the first stage of battle.
Given the declining conventional air edge as India’s fighter fleet sinks, the S-400 will be an important force multiplier that can guard a large portion of the border at a time of conflict.
S-400 versus Patriot
The closest rival to the S-400 is the US’ Patriot system. However, the S-400 has dual advantage – more range and the ability to target more incoming aircraft at the same time. Besides, its manufacturers claim that it has a shorter deployment time than the Patriot.
The customer list for the S-400 includes Russia, China and Turkey. In addition, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco and other Gulf states are also in discussions. Deliveries to China have already started although it is not yet clear where the system would be deployed.
Original Link: What makes S-400 air defence system a game-changer against Pakistan
Not during the war but Chinese would move their Naval assets into their IOR bases prior to the start of the war.
So the question of India confronting them at the strait of Malacca does not arise.