Ukraine - Russia Conflict

BMD said:
Well Russia did steal land that had been theirs for millennia.
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It wasn't. The people living there were different, like the Manchus. If anything, all of it belongs to Mongolia.

You want proof, look up where the Chinese built the Great Wall.
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Ukraine has never had 6,000+ field guns to destroy. The entire EU doesn't even have that many. This is what I mean about Russian lies, they are not even good, well thought out lies, they just blurt out easily disprovable crap that nations with the average IQ of a pop tart sell to their masses.
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They have counted small UAVs and mortars, not just the big stuff.
 
randomradio said:
The Russians are catching up in terms of fuel efficiency, even in maintenance. They are not as good as PW, RR and GE, but they compensate for the difference with significantly cheaper costs.

At 2.3B rubles, the Superjet costs just $24M. An equivalent A220 costs $80M. So in the 100-seat segment the Superjet is unbeatable. If they make a 150-seat jet for $35M or so against the A320's $130M, then they will start dominating the market completely. Tata and Indigo recently ordered 1000 such jets, their next order could be for 2000, and most of that could go to the next Superjet. No one's gonna care about engine efficiency when the procurement cost is 4 times lesser.
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We will see how the chinese new jets, with western engines, will comply with the market....
To built a plane is something, to support it another. Russian failed with fighter jets, I see no reason they can succeed in the more competitive commercial market.
 
Bon Plan said:
We will see how the chinese new jets, with western engines, will comply with the market....
To built a plane is something, to support it another. Russian failed with fighter jets, I see no reason they can succeed in the more competitive commercial market.
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The Chinese plane, C919, is as expensive as an Airbus A320 neo. The Superjet 100 or the MC-21 will still be multiple times cheaper.

And the Russians claim they can start producing it in HAL very quickly.
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United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) CEO Yuri Slyusar recently spoke with the "Russia-24" television channel
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The A320-equivalent MC-21 too will be ready in 2-3 years.

As for markets, I think if the Russians tap the Indian market alone, they will succeed. India has a massive requirement for cheap sub-100 seaters that can operate from shorter runways in small towns. NAL/HAL are working on one called RTA, with both turboprops and turbofans. There's a requirement for hundreds of such planes, it could go into thousands.
 
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randomradio said:
It wasn't. The people living there were different, like the Manchus. If anything, all of it belongs to Mongolia.

You want proof, look up where the Chinese built the Great Wall.
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Dude, it was, Russia stole it in the late 19th century.

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Amur Annexation - Wikipedia

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The Amur Annexation was the annexation of the southeast corner of Siberia by the Russian Empire in 1858–1860 through a series of unequal treaties forced upon the Qing dynasty of China.
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Ring any bells as regards Minsk?

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It sure as shit does not legitimately belong to Russia by any stretch of Hindustan Times' imagination.

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randomradio said:
They have counted small UAVs and mortars, not just the big stuff.
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How is a UAV a field gun? :ROFLMAO: A mortar is no field gun either.
 
BMD said:
Dude, it was, Russia stole it in the late 19th century.

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Amur Annexation - Wikipedia

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Ring any bells as regards Minsk?

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Russian invasion of Manchuria - Wikipedia

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It sure as shit does not legitimately belong to Russia by any stretch of Hindustan Times' imagination.

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Depends on how you see things.

The Great Hun Empire.
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So it all belongs to the Huns and Mongols, ie, Mongolia. Not the Russians or the Chinese.

Look, the Great Wall, the true northern border of China.

BMD said:
How is a UAV a field gun? :ROFLMAO: A mortar is no field gun either.
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"Aircraft" is the clue. And they used the word "artillery," not field gun. Mortar is part of artillery.
 
randomradio said:
Depends on how you see things.

The Great Hun Empire.
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Mongol Empire
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So it all belongs to the Huns and Mongols, ie, Mongolia. Not the Russians or the Chinese.

Look, the Great Wall, the true northern border of China.
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Manchuria - Wikipedia

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Manchuria was the homeland of several ethnic groups, including Manchu, Mongols, Koreans, Nanai, Nivkhs, Ulchs, Hui and possibly Turkic peoples and ethnic Han Chinese in southern Manchuria.[citation needed] Various ethnic groups and their respective kingdoms, including the Sushen, Donghu, Xianbei, Wuhuan, Mohe, Khitan and Jurchens, have risen to power in Manchuria.
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Also Mogolians are heavily related to Chinese.

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Han dynasty - Wikipedia

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Liao dynasty - Wikipedia

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Liao, Jin, Yuan, Ming, Qing. This map also showed how the Soviets used their presence region of Manchuria to launch the Communist takeover over mainland China. China has had various presences in Manchuria before Russia even existed in any form whatsoever.

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BMD said:
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Also Mogolians are heavily related to Chinese.

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Liao, Jin, Yuan, Ming, Qing. This map also showed how the Soviets used their presence region of Manchuria to launch the Communist takeover over mainland China. China has had various presences in Manchuria before Russia even existed in any form whatsoever.

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If the Mongols and Chinese are related, then so are the British and Russians. So everything British belongs to Russia too, by your logic.
 
randomradio said:
If the Mongols and Chinese are related, then so are the British and Russians. So everything British belongs to Russia too, by your logic.
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That's quite a leap mate. If you historically there were dynasties that were Mongolian and Chinese that crossed both borders and included Manchuria. But no matter, there were also purely Chinese dynasties that ruled it dating back a thousand years, like Liao, Jin and Tang.

If China invaded it, Russia would have very little grounds to argue on, especially given the position it's taken in Ukraine and most of the West would likely abstain in any UN vote, because frankly they'd deserve it.
 
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