JIYO PARSI - Asking Parsis to Have More Kids, in the Most Regressive and Patriarchal Way

vsdoc said:
Nothing much to enjoy.

We're both working.

All kids have their exams.

And Modi is in power till 2019.

Cheers, Doc
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It seems the last part is weighing more on your minds than the fact that you're working or the kids have exams . Well , another pateti & a Navruz to go . You'd have your verdict.

P.S - just wondering what would you do if he's re elected for 5 more years ?
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Do you sometimes think ; what would have happened if all parsis had migrated to Europe just like Jews did
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Why?

We came to the land we had already colonized.

To live among our distant cousins.

With a dominant faith that was joined at the hip to ours.

Also the small point that when you are fleeing, you go in the direction the enemy is not (yet) there. Which was east for us. Not west and then north.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
I'm trying to send my son to Germany.

His mother (and her mother) is a Parsi ...

Cheers, Doc
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So , you've resigned yourself to your fate.

P.S- was just wondering , if your son married a Nordic , would she be accepted into your fold as a full fledged Zarathusti. There are precedents for it , you know among the rich Parsi industrialists in Bombay . Ratan Tata's father comes to mind after his marriage to Simone Tata or Neville Wadia's reconversion to the Parsi faith . Would have to mine the net for more such instances.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
So , you've resigned yourself to your fate.
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I recognize that the sangh has started something that is not going to stop by 5-yearly electoral mandates alone.

P.S- was just wondering , if your son married a Nordic , would she be accepted into your fold as a full fledged Zarathusti. There are precedents for it , you know among the rich Parsi industrialists in Bombay . Ratan Tata's father comes to mind after his marriage to Simone Tata or Neville Wadia's reconversion to the Parsi faith . Would have to mine the net for more such instances.
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You're trolling.

I've already written many times in different posts earlier that it does not matter if the alien blood is Hindu or American or Chinese or Scandinavian.

I cannot (and do not want to) change what we have practiced for millennia as part of our faith.

It is a base tenet. Not a peripheral or negotiable/malleable one.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
I've already written many times in different posts earlier that it does not matter if the alien blood is Hindu or American or Chinese or Scandinavian.

I cannot (and do not want to) change what we have practiced for millennia as part of our faith.

It is a base tenet. Not a peripheral or negotiable/malleable one.

Cheers, Doc
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Well , apparently the Dasturs and the other high priests then thought differently . Those marriages were solemnised as per Zorastrian rituals.
 
vsdoc said:
Why?

We came to the land we had already colonized.

To live among our distant cousins.

With a dominant faith that was joined at the hip to ours.

Also the small point that when you are fleeing, you go in the direction the enemy is not (yet) there. Which was east for us. Not west and then north.

Cheers, Doc
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By the way ; how was the Relation between Zorastrians and Christians before the arrival of Islam

I ask this because though the Jews and christians were fighting with each other for centuries
yet when Israel was overrun by Muslims the jews still went to live with Christians in Europe
 
vsdoc said:
A few random points.

We came to India to save the Holy Atash Padshah.

That has been achieved.

The Parsis dying out of surviving does not matter. The Atash Padshah will be eventually re-established on our ancestral soil. Where it belongs. And which it owns.

Zoroastrians do not intermarry. It does not matter if they are Parsi, Irani, or Iranian. Or those in any other land, be they once Zoroastrian lands or foreign.

Our blood is not separable from our faith. If we are ready to leave our homeland to preserve our faith, it would be stupid to avoid the Arabs and mix with Hindus instead. Both are alien bloodlines.

Parsis dying out does not matter. What matters is that Zoroastrians continue to grow and we pass the preserved heritage back to them while we still can. Wherever Zoroastrianism and its ancient bloodlines continue to grow.

It would be stupid to hold out for 1300 years. Lose our homeland. And at the point when it appears clear that pan Persian nationalism is on the rise in Iran and a movement is building up steam, we the protectors of the faith in India simply say ok its inevitable we are going to die ot, let us now marry who we want and lead our happy (or not) individual lives.

"Opening the gates" means nothing to a Zoroastrian. Parsi/Zoroastrian man or woman, it does not matter, when the other half is not one.

I do not deny it has happened, and I have tried to explain to you how such mixed bloodlines have been neutralized and quarantined from the original bloodlines, both here and in Iran.

There is nothing racist about this. These are ancient Aryan tenets that Vedic Hinduism lost over time once it co-mingled with native Indian bloodlines.

The original Semitic faith directly influenced by Zoroastrianism from the time of Moses has similar tenets.

If we Indians want to save the Parsis, the answer lies not in asking them to accept Hindu blood. But to grow organically. Which is what Jiyo Parsi is about.

Cheers, Doc
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As a member of the community you know what is better for your community sir. If Zoroastrianism finds more acceptance among people of modern day Iran and they revert back, it is good for every one in the region and to the faith of Zoroastrian. I hope parsis survive in India beating there low numbers. India has already lost its Jews bcz of emmigration to Israel, losing parsis bcz of there low reproduction numbers would be a big loss for the country and would create a void that no one else can fill.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Well , apparently the Dasturs and the other high priests then thought differently . Those marriages were solemnised as per Zorastrian rituals.
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I've already spoken of renegade priests. And a large clamor among internal liberals.

But both of those were for Parsi women marrying outside the community and their kids. It is largely strongly frowned upon and not accepted. No Atash Behram or Agyari would allow them to enter, regardless of the unsanctioned Navjote or wearing of the Sudreh and Kusti.

Neither of your examples qualify, so I do not understand your point?

Ratan Tata's father, Naval, was a Parsi. He married Simone, a Swiss lady. Their son Noel is also a Parsi.

Nevile Wadia was a Parsi. As was his father Sir Ness Wadia, who converted briefly to Christianity, before reverting.

Cheers, Doc
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
By the way ; how was the Relation between Zorastrians and Christians before the arrival of Islam

I ask this because though the Jews and christians were fighting with each other for centuries
yet when Israel was overrun by Muslims the jews still went to live with Christians in Europe
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Long long before that happened, the Jews were protected and given refuge in Persia, by Darius the Great.

Which is why I maintain, that once Iran reverts, Israel and Iran are natural allies.

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
Ratan Tata's father, Naval, was a Parsi. He married Simone, a Swiss lady. Their son Noel is also a Parsi.

Nevile Wadia was a Parsi. As was his father Sir Ness Wadia, who converted briefly to Christianity, before reverting.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself . You clearly said that both parents ought to be ethnic Zorastrians for the Child to have his Navjote , wear his Kushti/ Sadra , be permitted into the agiary and finally host & treat the birds to a feast in the dokhma .In other words be a full fledged Parsi. How does Simone Tata or even Noel Tata qualify to be Zorastrians .

Let's move on to Neville Wadia. Granted his reconversion to Zorastrianism was in keeping with the tenets of the faith . But what of his daughter in law - Dina Wadia nee Jinnah or his grand son Nusli Wadia . Further aapro Nusli wed an Anglo - Maureen . Yet Nusli and his sons - Ness & Jeh are recognised as Parsis .

Can you explain these " heresies ?" What's more , I believe Nusli Wadia was / is also a trustee of the Parsi Panchayat .
 
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