Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

_Anonymous_ said:
If it touches speeds of upto Mach -5 , how's it hypersonic ? IMO we're simply getting carried away . Our hypersonic program is proceeding on track . We haven't reached there yet though we'd get there by the end of the decade if not before.

When the CMD Brahmos himself has gone on record during AI-23 , stating we'd take 7 yrs from date to develop a hypersonic version plus we've it from fairly reliable sources the Russians would share Zircon technology after 2027 , where did this hypersonic missile come from ?
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Even a 'near hypersonic' Brahmos is pure terror for our enemies. You're correct, a full on hypersonic Brahmos(Zircon) is coming only post 2027. But even if current Brahmos hits aprox. Mach 5 for few seconds in cruise or terminal phase, its kinetic impact and ability to evade IADS would increase by manyfold.

So, this test was very important in that regard.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Sometimes back, there was talk of not only enhancing Brahmos' range to 1000kms, but also enhance its speed from 2.8M to 3.5M to even touch Mach 5 during mid/terminal phase.

Looks like the last target was achieved by our scientists. Awesome news, thanks for posting(y)
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@marich01

Thankfully I found the article in which current Brahmos' speed was supposed to be enhanced to Mach 5 by 2022( @randomradio ).

Dr. Sudhir Kumar Mishra said this in 2017:

“Presently, the BrahMos has a speed of 2.8 Mach… in two years time it would be increased to 3.5 Mach, and by five five years, it would be 5 Mach,” said BrahMos Aerospace Pvt.Ltd. (BAPL) Managing Director & CEO Sudhir Kumar Mishra.
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Mach 5 is the current limit of the engine and airframe. We need scramjet to breach Mach 5:

Thereafter, to go to hypersonic mode, it is likely to take another seven-ten years as the missiles would graduate from ramjet to scramjet engine, and considering other complex issues of aerodynamic heating, combustion, vibrations, etc, he said.
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Source: BrahMos to be upgraded to 'hypersonic' in a decade: Scientist - The Statesman

Looks like finally we've achieved Mach 5 target by 2023(just 3 months extra over 2022 :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: @_Anonymous_ )
 
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That pic posted in previous page, any idea if its a strap on motor or something internal based on dimensions?
_Anonymous_ said:
This test was to check performance of indigenous seekers & booster. But they should be testing for more range & up the speed to ≤ Mach 5 ASAP. All our enhancement projects need to be taken up on ASAP mode from now on .
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priorities I guess. I don't think significant range extension will happen in batches. Currently 400-450km, might go to 600 first.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
This test was to check performance of indigenous seekers & booster. But they should be testing for more range & up the speed to ≤ Mach 5 ASAP. All our enhancement projects need to be taken up on ASAP mode from now on .
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Trouble is Russia.. You want to be able to manufacture your primary "battle tested" cruise missile even if Russia gets a bit ... busy with their own homes.
marich01 said:
priorities I guess. I don't think significant range extension will happen in batches. Currently 400-450km, might go to 600 first.
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I wonder how much of it requires testing... How much of it is actual physical change and how much is software change. @Milspec ?
 
marich01 said:
That pic posted in previous page, any idea if its a strap on motor or something internal based on dimensions?
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marich01 said:
priorities I guess. I don't think significant range extension will happen in batches. Currently 400-450km, might go to 600 first.
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Yes , you go about it in a graduated manner. I think we're past 500 kms for quite some time now . That would've been tested as soon as we signed on to the MTCR. We should've crossed 600 kms . It's 750 kms ≥ now .
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
If it touches speeds of upto Mach -5 , how's it hypersonic ? IMO we're simply getting carried away . Our hypersonic program is proceeding on track . We haven't reached there yet though we'd get there by the end of the decade if not before.

When the CMD Brahmos himself has gone on record during AI-23 , stating we'd take 7 yrs from date to develop a hypersonic version plus we've it from fairly reliable sources the Russians would share Zircon technology after 2027 , where did this hypersonic missile come from ?
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As far as I am concerned the only interesting point was the idea of using magnetometers to detect aero objects , that in my opinion is doable , in near future to come up with a mil grade sol to passively detect aerial objects including stealthy ones

It seems use of magnetometers is the next big thing in military eg for navigation especially by vehicles moving at hypersonic speeds, and as I mentioned previously in my tweets in detecting submerged submarines etc

As for hypersonic or not that's a tall ask for a civilian system not designed to serve that purpose and it's obvious there will be glaring errors given the distances involved and the type of magnetometer themselves being used
 
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Why ? What's the connection ?
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Brahmos. You want to be able to make it completely in house without waiting for any components from Russia to arrive. You are putting it everywhere: Land, Air, Ship and Subs. You don't want to be in a situation where your are waiting to supply arms to navy but you do not have seeker from Russia because of component shortage there or Zelinski finally did what he has been warning about; blowing up some critical infra using MLRS.
 
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hellbent said:
As far as I am concerned the only interesting point was the idea of using magnetometers to detect aero objects , that in my opinion is doable , in near future to come up with a mil grade sol to passively detect aerial objects including stealthy ones

It seems use of magnetometers is the next big thing in military eg for navigation especially by vehicles moving at hypersonic speeds, and as I mentioned previously in my tweets in detecting submerged submarines etc

As for hypersonic or not that's a tall ask for a civilian system not designed to serve that purpose and it's obvious there will be errors given the distances involved and the type of magnetometer themselves being used
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More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
 
Saaho said:
Brahmos. You want to be able to make it completely in house without waiting for any components from Russia to arrive. You are putting it everywhere: Land, Air, Ship and Subs.
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They'd have ro strike a balance between meeting their needs & earning Forex. Alternatively India squeezes them to get rid of those unnecessary clauses & indigenize everything & sweeten the deal by paying them a royalty.
 
And IMO speed is not the end all , it's just one of the factors that will contribute to a kill but will not be the only factor , other parameters equally important if some of them even more

What we need is a robust and redundant kill chain with integrated OODA elements with every relevant weapon system
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
They'd have ro strike a balance between meeting their needs & earning Forex. Alternatively India squeezes them to get rid of those unnecessary clauses & indigenize everything & sweeten the deal by paying them a royalty.
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Its not a question of just rights and license, but a question of Russian being able to keep its promises to deliver components. If the war in Europe goes dire, that will be compromised. So we need to prioritize replacement for those parts.
 
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More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
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Civilian data , from Indian observatories working on mapping of geomagnetic fields etc , available to anyone

He was smart and knowledgeable enough to connect the geomagnetic anomaly at the given location and time with the test fire of brahmos / aerial object
 
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Saaho said:
Its not a question of just rights and license, but a question of Russian being able to keep its promises to deliver components. If the war in Europe goes dire, that will be compromised. So we need to prioritize replacement for those parts.
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If they have their compulsions ,we can say sorry , so do we . At the end of the day it's business & very serious business - that of national security plus if we can't squeeze them now , we'd never be able to do so .
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
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Right knowledge... A certain scientist was able to estimate yield of bomb by a bunch of falling papers. Fermi estimation.
 
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hellbent said:
Civilian data , from Indian observatories working on geo magnetisation, available to anyone

He was smart and knowledgeable enough to connect the geomagnetic anomaly at the given location and time with the test fire of brahmos / aerial object
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If that's the case I'm wondering about the kind of information China & the US have about our missile arsenal & we of theirs or at least of China .
 
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