Ukraine - Russia Conflict

LOL! How rude of russian military personnels to say such bad, vicious things about LGBT people?
Get a grip! BMD.
Where are the Satan worshippers? As for LGBTQ, their parades have demonstrated more discipline than the Russian army thus far.
I'm insulted that Russians/FSB would think we're this stupid.

I mean even I can count axels. The other question why would they want the world to think they are soooo incompetent that the truck did go through x-ray, detected explosives and was ok to go? That I don't get and it troubles me for some reason. :unsure:
They failed to count to potato. They're so used to dealing with people who are too scared to question them that they fooled themselves into thinking that means everybody actually believes them.
 
Simple, the money was spent on yachts, villas and hookers.
Wow, even Iran has dropped them. Brazil too has realised this is more important than BRICS. That just leaves his puppet, chairman stupid of the DPRK, Assad and Nicaragua... Here's a diplomatic telegram for Nicaragua from our ambassador:


Long and short of it, the annexation is null and void by international law.
 
looks like russians have a black hole from where they can keep pulling equipment rom. They are going to keep churning low cost equipment while west keeps throwing expensive ammo to destroy them.
It's all they can produce without western chips. What happened to the great T-90Ms and T-14s, I thought that shopping trolley on their roof would have protected them for sure.
 
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It is within 50-100 feet of that building which might have been the intended target. I think it is within CEP for a ballistic missile.
Even 100ft is pushing it, and that would be from the edge of the building not the centre. So much for Russian DSMAC and GLONASS.
 
Simple funda, you cannot win a battle alone with missile /rickets. People who is favouring missiles over airforce & bombers should open the eye and see it.
It takes intelligence (both kinds) and planning to figure out how to use firepower correctly.

How did the Zombies not see those mines? Drank too much tile cleaner again?
He probably tried pressing 'Q' but they didn't receive an orange label.
 
That's a bunch of crock.

First thing first: there was a verbal agreement (only treaties are binding) with the Premier of the USSR. The USSR no longer exists. The agreement therefore became moot.
US/West took full advantage of weakened Russia after collapse of USSR. Full marks should be given to US/WEST.
Second thing: Russia signed and ratified a binding treaty agreement that they would respect and guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty. Given what happened in 2014 and now, it's quite obvious that the Kremlin has no room to talk about broken agreements.
I kinda agree here, but again it was under the context that NATO will not expand eastwards.
Third thing: the right for any country to join the alliances and organizations of their wish is their sovereign right alone. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, then it's Ukraine's sovereign choice to want to join NATO. Third countries cannot forbid that. Only NATO countries have a say in that they can refuse or accept membership.
This true and this principle should be adhered. But then why US threw hissy fit When soviet wanted to have missiles in Cuba, a sovereign country should be allowed to do whaterver he wants eh?
Will US allows China's military base in cuba,? i hardly doubt that.
Fourth thing: the US presence in Europe had been continually decreasing from 1991 to 2014. Blame Putin for reversing the trend.
Fully agree here, Its Putin shortsightedness, It will comeback to haunt him.
Nope, no one was "on the verge" of giving NATO membership to Ukraine. Because NATO membership requires unanimous agreement, meaning anyone can veto new arrivals, as Turkey as aptly demonstrated. And Ukraine's NATO membership had been blocked precisely in a vain and futile attempt at appeasing Russia. In hindsight, a bad decision.
And Who would have vetoed it?
Look at that, it's what makes them happy. They broadcast footage of screaming people getting blown up to cheer themselves up because they just love being evil. At the end they're all upset because one of them remind them that this is militarily useless and will just result in more Western help for Ukraine.
I am sure you will find these kinds of people in each country.
As for Taliban and Daesh as US creations, not really. The Talibans are a Pakistani creation, but it's true that they used US money.
Wrong! It was US who engineered the idea and provided funding to taliban through ISI/pakistan's Military.
Daesh arose from America bungling their occupation or Iraq, which they should never have done, but that was not an intended consequence.
yep, Agree here.
So yeah, if you contort logic enough, you can blame both on the US, but that's not the same thing as deliberately creating terrorist militias...
Taliban, Mujahidden, etc. all were directly funded by US through Pakistani's military apparatus. They were created to fight Soviets.
It's astounding how true that is. All these Internet keyboard warriors going "America did a bad thing, therefore Russia has the right to do even worse things!"...
No, Majority of "ALL THESE INTERNET KEYBOARD WARRIORS" are saying WEST is hypocritical.
Majority of agrees that what Russia is doing is wrong/reprehensible/morally corrupt.
It's moral high grounding by west that is annoying/nauseating.
 
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Wow, even Iran has dropped them. Brazil too has realised this is more important than BRICS. That just leaves his puppet, chairman stupid of the DPRK, Assad and Nicaragua...
Cherry on top:
Best proof that Russia has lost a lot of clout with "the rest", since now more of the developing countries


Look at all those nice little cracks, so eager to welcome some of that salty Azov seawater in them!
Don't worry, bridge is perfectly safe. In fact, Putin should personally drive a tank transport truck over it to show how manly he is, and how safe the bridge is.
US/West took full advantage of weakened Russia after collapse of USSR. Full marks should be given to US/WEST.
Historically wrong. Collapse of the USSR was a disaster scenario for the West, the USA had no idea what to do with all these breakaway countries with nukes. The great scare was corrupt people selling Soviet nukes to who-knows-who, other states or even potentially terrorist groups.
NATO expansion was rejected by the West at first, including by the US. In fact, they weren't sure what to do with NATO at first, in the absence of the Warsaw Pact.
The first thing that was decided was the Partnership for Peace program. Former WarPac countries were invited, including Russia, in that program.
It was ceaseless lobbying by the Eastern countries, notably the Visegrad group, that finally led to actual NATO enlargement in 1999.
Likewise, the second NATO enlargement of 2004 was largely due to lobbying through the Nordic-Baltic Eight group. Denmark was instrumental into getting the Baltic states in the alliance; it was not an idea of Washington.
It's true that after these two enlargements got the ball rolling, then continued NATO expansion became favored by US policy. But it was not their idea originally. It's truer to say that it's Eastern Europe that took full advantage of weakened Russia to join the West.
This true and this principle should be adhered. But then why US threw hissy fit When soviet wanted to have missiles in Cuba, a sovereign country should be allowed to do whaterver he wants eh?
The Cuba missile crisis wasn't about Cuba potentially joining an alliance. Also it was solved in a reasonable way, the Soviet Union removed their missiles from Cuba but in exchange NATO also removed equivalent missiles from Turkey and Italy. A good compromise.

Also, do people really need to go look for stuff that happened long before they were born (certainly it happened long before I was born) for their whataboutism?
And Who would have vetoed it?
The same who vetoed it in 2008.
No, Majority of "ALL THESE INTERNET KEYBOARD WARRIORS" are saying WEST is hypocritical.
Majority of agrees that what Russia is doing is wrong/reprehensible/morally corrupt.
It's moral high grounding by west that is annoying/nauseating.
Nah, I see a lot of Russia stans. They're never saying that Russia is in the wrong, they're just always saying that west is bad and also dreaming that Stronk Russia will somehow pull a win.
 
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Historically wrong. Collapse of the USSR was a disaster scenario for the West, the USA had no idea what to do with all these breakaway countries with nukes. The great scare was corrupt people selling Soviet nukes to who-knows-who, other states or even potentially terrorist groups.
True! This was a legitimate Concern.
The Cuba missile crisis wasn't about Cuba potentially joining an alliance. Also it was solved in a reasonable way, the Soviet Union removed their missiles from Cuba but in exchange NATO also removed equivalent missiles from Turkey and Italy. A good compromise.
Stop doing mental gymnastics.
Cuba was/is a sovereign nation and is allowed to form a defense treaty/pact with any country. The same way Italy, Turkey agreed to place US's nuclear capable Jupiter missiles inside them.
Actually USSR wanted to talk about jupiter missiles, but US wouldn't budge.
After the bays of pigs fiasco in 1961, Castro reached out to USSR and USSR seized this opportunity.
Also, do people really need to go look for stuff that happened long before they were born (certainly it happened long before I was born) for their whataboutism?
I didn't get what are trying to say? Can you be more specific?
The same who vetoed it in 2008.
Thanks. I didn't know France, Germany have shot down proposal for Ukrainian entry into NATO earlier.
Nah, I see a lot of Russia stans. They're never saying that Russia is in the wrong, they're just always saying that west is bad and also dreaming that Stronk Russia will somehow pull a win.
Russia is going to be Isolated/Sanctioned by Richest countries in the world. I don't see bright future for Russia if sanctions on them aren't rolled back.
 
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I didn't get what are trying to say? Can you be more specific?
Cuba missile crisis was in 1962. It's old. I wasn't even born yet. In fact my parents hadn't even met yet. In fact they were still little children back then.

If your really need to delve 60 years in the past for a gotcha, then it's a weak gotcha, is what I'm saying.
Actually USSR wanted to talk about jupiter missiles, but US wouldn't budge.
After the bays of pigs fiasco in 1961, Castro reached out to USSR and USSR seized this opportunity.
Yep, that was pretty clever of the Soviets back then. Hence why I say this was solved with a good compromise. Everyone's posture got less threatening, at least until the next crisis (the Euromissile one), which also got solved reasonably by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. Back then, both sides knew to be reasonable.
I don't see bright future for Russia if sanctions on them aren't rolled back.
Indeed, but that really shows how poorly Russia has been managed these last couple decades. Putin got his popularity from, supposedly, "Making Russia Great Again" after its plunder in the 1990s. On paper, Russia has everything it needs to be an economic powerhouse: a good level of education (Russian science and engineering have quite a prestigious reputation), a quite large population (about as big as France and Germany combined), and a colossal amount of natural resources so that they could be self-sufficient.

Instead, they did worse than stagnate, they regressed. Their economy was rebuilt but only through the sale of raw natural resources (oil and gas, but also timber and grain), their industry never innovated or even caught up with the West, they became fully dependent on manufactured products from the West... and then Putin decided to side with China and start fighting the West.

The problem with that choice is while Russia is large and resourceful, they seem to have forgotten that The Collective West is even larger and more resourceful. Here's a fun little exercise you can do: grab a spreadsheet, grab lists of countries by GDP and by population size, and then make the sum of every country that's in The Collective West. For this exercise, I defined the collective west as being every country that is fully integrated economically and socially into the Western system, meaning anything that is in at least one of the following organizations: NATO, EU, EFTA; plus the "Five Eyes" countries, and finally Japan and South Korea. I got over 8 times the Russian population, and over 32 times the Russian GDP. But even if only keeping the North America + Europe countries of that group, and removing Turkey that is kind of a rogue NATO member, I still have over 6 times the Russian population and 27 times the Russian GDP.

So basically, there are two reasons why Russia doesn't have a bright future: the first is because it is corruption-ridden and mismanaged, the second is because it has decided the only way to reassert itself was to pick a fight with the most prosperous nations on Earth. If I had been in Putin's shoes, I would have applied the good old principle of "if you can't beat them, join them" but of course that is not the way I could have built myself a gigantic palace on Cape Idokopas...
Putin is an imbecile.
 
NO, it was USSR(not russia) who invaded afghanistan, and to fight USSR america funded islamic militants through ISI/pak's army.
Nope, USSR invaded Afghanistan in 1979, but they backed a socialist coup in 1973 that overthrew the king and began seizing and redistributing land. The seizure and redistribution led to tribal warring which has lasted to this day. In the late '70s the new leadership began collecting dissenters and taking them up in a helicopter and dropping them into a lake from altitude, which became known as The Bitter Lake. Up to 1973, Afghanistan was a relative forward and civilised country believe it or not.
 
Stop doing mental gymnastics.
Cuba was/is a sovereign nation and is allowed to form a defense treaty/pact with any country. The same way Italy, Turkey agreed to place US's nuclear capable Jupiter missiles inside them.
Actually USSR wanted to talk about jupiter missiles, but US wouldn't budge.
After the bays of pigs fiasco in 1961, Castro reached out to USSR and USSR seized this opportunity.
Cuba was a puppet dictatorship following a Soviet-backed coup. It was so great that waves of people left for the US. It's difficult to define that as sovereignty. That's like China invading you, installing Sum Ting Wong as your leader and then someone arguing that it is a sovereign state. In fact it's genuinely difficult to argue sovereignty for a country where the leader doesn't lead at the behest of the people anyway. They infringed the country's sovereignty in the first damn place.
 
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Cuba was a puppet dictatorship following a Soviet-backed coup. It was so great that waves of people left for the US. It's difficult to define that as sovereignty. That's like China invading you, installing Sum Ting Wong as your leader and then someone arguing that it is a sovereign state. In fact it's genuinely difficult to argue sovereignty for a country where the leader doesn't lead at the behest of the people anyway. They infringed the country's sovereignty in the first damn place.
In 1952 it was US who helped batista to organize a coup, When batista realized that he will loose the election he organized coupde/tat. yeah.
Go ahead, read some history about cuba, before spouting PURE Bullshit.
Now, you are being disingenuous.