2nd order cancelled.
According to industry officials, the “operational shortcomings” in the SIG716 rifles included “jamming” while firing locally produced 7.62 mm rounds, which were not as efficient as imported ammunition, of which limited amounts had initially been acquired but had since been expended.
fired, these local rounds reportedly, in many instances, tended to spawn “barrel bulges” that rendered many rifles inoperable. These bulges ensued after a round failed to exit the rifle upon firing and then the follow-on round built up tremendous pressure due to the constricted air inside the barrel, causing it, in turn, to either develop a bulge, cracks or even lead to it exploding altogether.
 
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Good rifle + faulty 3rd grade ammo which African nations will not take in donation = problems

Solution: Cancel order for the good gun.
Honestly this news doesn't make any goddamn sense to me. So they didn't had these problems earlier when it was test fired and then after which it was inducted even then no such problems were reported. I am sure if thewire's so-called "official" sources inform them about the problem now why they didn't do it a year back then? Honestly I always take any news coming out of thewire same as a smelly fart. I will wait for official confirmation
 
Beretta also made such ridiculous claims, we all know how it ended, besides i have seen 9mm from carbines also M80 NATO fired by SIG without issues, keep in mind SLR and MMG use same round without any issues, SIG 716 during trail if ever happened is meant to use Indian ammo as other contenders did during trails in India..
 
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Beretta also made such ridiculous claims, we all know how it ended, besides i have seen 9mm from carbines also M80 NATO fired by SIG without issues, keep in mind SLR and MMG use same round without any issues, SIG 716 during trail if ever happened is meant to use Indian ammo as other contenders did during trails in India..
What was the case with Beretta?
 
We can use good old SLR and BREN LMGs 😂

Or else buy new guns from SSS defence or the new 7.62 x 51 from OFB or NEGEV LMGs
 

2nd order cancelled.
According to industry officials, the “operational shortcomings” in the SIG716 rifles included “jamming” while firing locally produced 7.62 mm rounds, which were not as efficient as imported ammunition, of which limited amounts had initially been acquired but had since been expended.
fired, these local rounds reportedly, in many instances, tended to spawn “barrel bulges” that rendered many rifles inoperable. These bulges ensued after a round failed to exit the rifle upon firing and then the follow-on round built up tremendous pressure due to the constricted air inside the barrel, causing it, in turn, to either develop a bulge, cracks or even lead to it exploding altogether.
Bit unrelated but goes to show thewire's (un)credibility
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This whole debate about faulty ammo is bullshit. NATO countries have given repeat orders for India made ammo for 5.56x45 and that too in millions. If there was an issue with our locally made ammo, even those rifles in NATO countries should have faced same problem. But we got repeat orders. Does this not prove that the issue is with rifle and not with ammo.
 
This whole debate about faulty ammo is bullshit. NATO countries have given repeat orders for India made ammo for 5.56x45 and that too in millions. If there was an issue with our locally made ammo, even those rifles in NATO countries should have faced same problem. But we got repeat orders. Does this not prove that the issue is with rifle and not with ammo.
I don't think there is any issue with either of them. We have seen numerous pics of IA troops carrying the weapon on LAC and LOC and that too with optical sights available to an entire fireteam. This article is just fake news unless MOD confirms the order is cancelled. But even then I wouldn't point out there's fault in either of them if the MOD doesn't state why they cancelled the order
 
This whole debate about faulty ammo is bullshit. NATO countries have given repeat orders for India made ammo for 5.56x45 and that too in millions. If there was an issue with our locally made ammo, even those rifles in NATO countries should have faced same problem. But we got repeat orders. Does this not prove that the issue is with rifle and not with ammo.
These orders for the US Civil market used Belgian gun powder for the ammunition exported. Retired PARA SF member Major Avinash Sahani on Other Forum(D F I) said that PARA SF used imported 5.56 NATO ammunition for their Tavors and M4s as the OFB made M193 ammunition was just unreliable and caused a lot of fouling in the guns.
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These orders for the US Civil market used Belgian gun powder for the ammunition exported. Retired PARA SF member Major Avinash Sahani on Other Forum(D F I) said that PARA SF used imported 5.56 NATO ammunition for their Tavors and M4s as the OFB made M193 ammunition was just unreliable and caused a lot of fouling in the guns.
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Only during earlier days, i belive latter OFB ammunition was in use..

We imported ton of 5.56mm ammunition from Isreal along TAR21s..
 
This whole debate about faulty ammo is bullshit. NATO countries have given repeat orders for India made ammo for 5.56x45 and that too in millions. If there was an issue with our locally made ammo, even those rifles in NATO countries should have faced same problem. But we got repeat orders. Does this not prove that the issue is with rifle and not with ammo.
If i am not wrong, that particular order is placed for civilian market.
 
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Good rifle + faulty 3rd grade ammo which African nations will not take in donation = problems

Solution: Cancel order for the good gun.
Literal failed state behaviour. And ofb will continue to suck the blood of our soldiers and tax-payers.
If i am not wrong, that particular order is placed for civilian market.
The 5.56 uses belgian powder. The 7.62x51 uses ofb made powder. And ofb ammo is known to be overgassed and overpowdered with bad machining. Not surprising a delicate system like DI couldn't stand the absolut pos ammo produced by ofb.
 
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True level playing field to pvt sector can solve a few problems imo.
Literal failed state behaviour. And ofb will continue to suck the blood of our soldiers and tax-payers.

The 5.56 uses belgian powder. The 7.62x51 uses ofb made powder. And ofb ammo is known to be overgassed and overpowdered with bad machining. Not surprising a delicate system like DI couldn't stand the absolut pos ammo produced by ofb.
 
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The Pvt sector can easily replace the ofb and will offer hardware at a cheaper price with far better quality. Ofb is just a subsidy program for the poor and reservation class.
Like if the forces wanted a 7.62x39 rifle, before awarding it to a government entity , maybe it would have been a better idea to run it by pvt cos first.

Even if the local solution wasn't good, who knows maybe a locally produced IWI 7.62x39 platform would have won ?
 
Like if the forces wanted a 7.62x39 rifle, before awarding it to a government entity , maybe it would have been a better idea to run it by pvt cos first.

Even if the local solution wasn't good, who knows maybe a locally produced IWI 7.62x39 platform would have won ?
Going for the ak 203 wasn't a bad idea. You can't make a better ak than the Russians and we never had proper tooling to make ak's unlike the Chinese who got it in the 50's. But atleast for carbine and battle rifle a local solution could have been easily offered. That's the biggest blunder.