Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

I don't get it. Where is this so-called Brahmos-NG. Who is developing it? Brahmos chief is saying they will start 'when services ask for it'!. DRDO/MoD did not approve any funding for it. Brahmos Aerospace funding themselves? russians partnering?

All previous versions of Brahmos already have facilities that require it to manufacture/test. This looks like a UP face-saver "defence corridor" investment by a DPSU.
Its due to Defence corridor.
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New Ceo of BrahMos Aerospace Atul Dinkar Rane

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Brahmos needs to shed few hundred kilos of weight and also some gym time to make it stealthier. Although I understand that being a Supersonic weapon, it will still illuminate radars like a bulb. But still a still a stealthy airframe with throttleable solid rocket motor is the next logical step in Brahmos development.
 
Brahmos needs to shed few hundred kilos of weight and also some gym time to make it stealthier. Although I understand that being a Supersonic weapon, it will still illuminate radars like a bulb. But still a still a stealthy airframe with throttleable solid rocket motor is the next logical step in Brahmos development.
The speed at Mach 4 with sea-skimming functionality as an Ashm I don't see any change required but if we are talking about S2S or A2S I think we can work on shaping using our indigenous ramjet motor.
 
Brahmos needs to shed few hundred kilos of weight and also some gym time to make it stealthier. Although I understand that being a Supersonic weapon, it will still illuminate radars like a bulb. But still a still a stealthy airframe with throttleable solid rocket motor is the next logical step in Brahmos development.

Can't throttle solid rocket.
 
Can't throttle solid rocket.
There are a lot of articles and research work available on internet for example

On-Off mechanism
Hybrid system https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/237587414.pdf
 
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SRM can be throttled , special SRM with thrust modulation exists. DRDO working on same

In my twitter timeline have posted on it

There are a lot of articles and research work available on internet for example

On-Off mechanism
Hybrid system https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/237587414.pdf

It looks like this stuff is still in the experimental stage though.

The only known experiment done took the heat generated all the way to 3200deg C, that's way too much for something like a CM.

The throttling ability seems to be role-specific.
The new design adds a significant feature. By varying the speed at which the fuel rod is forced into the engine, the thrust can be varied as in a liquid-fuelled rocket.

Being able to throttle a rocket means its thrust can be reduced when reaching "max Q" - the spell of maximum aerodynamic pressure when rising through the atmosphere - and throttled back up again as the air thins.


It speaks of throttling when navigating the different layers of the atmosphere, a problem CMs don't face.

Also, the throttling doesn't seem as dynamic as it's the case with liquid fuel. It appears the throttling happens in phases, as each section of fuel disappears. So it's for a properly planned flight path, where you know exactly where you're launching from, and you know exactly where you need to go, and your comm and support infrastructure is built for that purpose. Otoh, weapons need to be fire and forget. They need to be launched from anywhere at any target that can move, plus can deploy countermeasures. So a CM like Brahmos constantly changes speed, direction and alitude while it travels towards its target.

Also, an autophage eats itself and practically disappears, whereas the next phase of CM capability will require us to bring back most of the missile for reuse. So a Brahmos that flies up to its target, fires off the warhead, and whatever's left returns, thereby functioning like a UCAV. Something that requires a hybrid engine setup that combines a turbojet with a scramjet, so the turbojet can bring the missile home. I don't know how well solid rocket will work with such a setup, probably won't. So I don't see CMs giving up the liquid fuel advantage anytime soon.

For BMs and space rockets, definitely. It's interesting to have the bulk of the body composed of only fuel.
 
It looks like this stuff is still in the experimental stage though.

The only known experiment done took the heat generated all the way to 3200deg C, that's way too much for something like a CM.

The throttling ability seems to be role-specific.
The new design adds a significant feature. By varying the speed at which the fuel rod is forced into the engine, the thrust can be varied as in a liquid-fuelled rocket.

Being able to throttle a rocket means its thrust can be reduced when reaching "max Q" - the spell of maximum aerodynamic pressure when rising through the atmosphere - and throttled back up again as the air thins.


It speaks of throttling when navigating the different layers of the atmosphere, a problem CMs don't face.

Also, the throttling doesn't seem as dynamic as it's the case with liquid fuel. It appears the throttling happens in phases, as each section of fuel disappears. So it's for a properly planned flight path, where you know exactly where you're launching from, and you know exactly where you need to go, and your comm and support infrastructure is built for that purpose. Otoh, weapons need to be fire and forget. They need to be launched from anywhere at any target that can move, plus can deploy countermeasures. So a CM like Brahmos constantly changes speed, direction and alitude while it travels towards its target.
And what do you think about that On-off mechanism, that I’ve mentioned on the previous post. Is it workable using igniters similar to space rockets ?
Also, an autophage eats itself and practically disappears, whereas the next phase of CM capability will require us to bring back most of the missile for reuse. So a Brahmos that flies up to its target, fires off the warhead, and whatever's left returns, thereby functioning like a UCAV. Something that requires a hybrid engine setup that combines a turbojet with a scramjet, so the turbojet can bring the missile home. I don't know how well solid rocket will work with such a setup, probably won't. So I don't see CMs giving up the liquid fuel advantage anytime soon.

For BMs and space rockets, definitely. It's interesting to have the bulk of the body composed of only fuel.
I think I’ve heard some DRDO project (Sudarshan ?) goes to target, drops warhead and returns back like Sudarshan Chakra of Lord Krishna.
 
And what do you think about that On-off mechanism, that I’ve mentioned on the previous post. Is it workable using igniters similar to space rockets ?

No clue.

I think I’ve heard some DRDO project (Sudarshan ?) goes to target, drops warhead and returns back like Sudarshan Chakra of Lord Krishna.

It was APJ Kalam's wish to see a Brahmos that is reusable. Basically a UCAV with one warhead.
 

India, Philippines close to finalising BrahMos missile deal

By ANI
Last Updated: Dec 30, 2021, 10:43 AM IST
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A Brahmos cruise missile launched from a TEL. Representative Image.

Synopsis
"India and Philippines are in an advanced stage of negotiations over the sale of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. Export order likely to be placed soon," government sources told ANI. "DRDO and BrahMos Aerospace together have been pushing hard for exports of this missile to friendly foreign countries: for the last few months," sources said.


In what could be a major success for the Narendra Modi government's defence export push, India is expected to soon get export order from Philippines for BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.

"India and Philippines are in an advanced stage of negotiations over the sale of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. Export order likely to be placed soon," government sources told ANI.

"DRDO and BrahMos Aerospace together have been pushing hard for exports of this missile to friendly foreign countries: for the last few months," sources said.

The Indian government's defence export push is coming from the DRDO stable as it bagged orders for a 'made-in-India' weapon locating radars from the Armenian government recently.

India is likely to bag more orders for the missile system from friendly countries as it is negotiating at an advanced stage with some other nations too.

The missile is also getting more capable due to added range and other modern technologies getting incorporated into it.

Senior scientist Atul Dinkar Rane has been appointed as the new head of the BrahMos Aerospace Limited and he has worked with the firm since its inception days.

India, Philippines close to finalising BrahMos missile deal
 
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In a huge boost to India’s mission to turn a defence exporter after decades of being seen as an importer, the Centre has struck reportedly struck a deal with The Philippines to sell the indigenous BrahMos missile system for a whopping $55.5 million dollars.

With this, The Philippines has become India’s first foreign customer for the cruise missile system, a joint venture between India and Russia.

According to Hindustan Times, The Philippines has reportedly allocated 2.8 billion pesos ($55.5 million) for its initial funding to procure the state-of-the-art weapon system.

“India and Philippines are in an advanced stage of negotiations over the sale of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. Export order likely to be placed soon. The Defence Research Development Organisation and BrahMos Aerospace Limited together have been pushing hard for exports of this missile to friendly foreign countries: for the last few months,” government sources told news agency ANI earlier this week.

The ‘Made in India’ weapon is likely to draw more orders from ‘friendly countries’ as negotiations are at an advanced stage with several other nations.

As other deals come through, the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is also getting a facelift with added range and other modern technologies.

Senior scientist Atul Dinkar Rane, who has been appointed as the new head of BrahMos Aerospace Limited, has worked with the organisation since its days of inception.

The medium-range BrahMos is one of the fastest supersonic cruise missile systems in the world.

With a speed of Mach 3.5, the missile has a maximum range of 650 kms.
 
soon the Next-gen RF imaging seeker is going to be integrated with Brahmos NG, Maybe this is already used in AGNI-P :rolleyes:

 
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