News The 15th Finance Commission May Split Open Demographic Fault Lines Between South and North India

[itanufy]

One observation. I frequently travel International sector by Air India. Last few years all of the food products they serve are getting originated in Gujrat.
Anybody can check in their next flight by air India.

 

[Shajida Khan]

If a state with 10 people generates 50 rupees of the money then what would you say? People in Southern states now look for more development and comfort. Remember every state started with same HDI and economic indices. We cannot pay for the sins of Lalu and Mulayam Yadavs and the moronic communists in Bengals. That's a debate which should happen. Its healthy for democracy.

That way, nothing will ever go to J&K or north-east. Somewhere in the constitute it says, all Indians are equal. It will make some Indians even more equal.

If you want to go this way then a better idea will be to let State government completely take care of all the government provided services. Only state government will collect taxes and Centre will be a government of governments. It will collect tax from state governments based on their revenue. And it will only be responsible for foreign facing things. Like foreign policy and military. It might work but it will cause poor state to be poorer and rich state to be richer.

 

[bonobashi]

That way, nothing will ever go to J&K or north-east. Somewhere in the constitute it says, all Indians are equal. It will make some Indians even more equal.

If you want to go this way then a better idea will be to let State government completely take care of all the government provided services. Only state government will collect taxes and Centre will be a government of governments. It will collect tax from state governments based on their revenue. And it will only be responsible for foreign facing things. Like foreign policy and military. It might work but it will cause poor state to be poorer and rich state to be richer.

Erm, that WAS the Cabinet Mission Plan. All the poor states were Muslim majority, the rich ones were Hindu majority.

 

[Shajida Khan]

And other point was punishing a state for controlling population. <<< Don't dodge this point

Tell me, who pays -- may be should pay -- more taxes? The one who earns more or the one who earns less?

Is that punishing of a high-earner?

The entire idea is same. Only the other way round. Who gets more? The one who needs more.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Erm, that WAS the Cabinet Mission Plan. All the poor states were Muslim majority, the rich ones were Hindu majority.

I didn't know that. But it seems Cabinet Mission Plan thought that India should be divided into three sections. Section A - Majority Hindu, core India. Section B - De facto Pakistan. Section C NE and De facto Bangladesh.
Interestingly, it would have been issue for both B and C.

 

[bonobashi]

I didn't know that. But it seems Cabinet Mission Plan thought that India should be divided into three sections. Section A - Majority Hindu, core India. Section B - De facto Pakistan. Section C NE and De facto Bangladesh.
Interestingly, it would have been issue for both B and C.

It would. Just goes to show who precipitated partition.

 

[Vicky]

That way, nothing will ever go to J&K or north-east. Somewhere in the constitute it says, all Indians are equal. It will make some Indians even more equal.

If you want to go this way then a better idea will be to let State government completely take care of all the government provided services. Only state government will collect taxes and Centre will be a government of governments. It will collect tax from state governments based on their revenue. And it will only be responsible for foreign facing things. Like foreign policy and military. It might work but it will cause poor state to be poorer and rich state to be richer.

No. I am not against giving more money for states like JK or NE. Infact they have been ignored till now. What I am trying to say is, even one state generates 90 rupees, they can be given back 25 rupees instead of 10. And, if the money earmarked is spent for NE states, then we can understand. But the problem arises when they are given to the BIMARU states for their failure to rein in population and development considering all the major states started from base 0.
I do not understand the need for subsidy when they have India's greatest river running through them. They have the best fertile lands in India next to Punjab. If you are from South you will understand the importance of water and they have it which is prequisite for Agri, Industry and civilisation.

 

[Shajida Khan]

all the major states started from base 0.

Not exactly. Maharashtra or rather Bombay 'Section' was always richer. Karnataka was also like wise richer. Punjab lost a lot because a good portion of her fields went to Pakistan. All states were never at same base.

I do not understand the need for subsidy when they have India's greatest river running through them. They have the best fertile lands in India next to Punjab. If you are from South you will understand the importance of water and they have it which is prequisite for Agri, Industry and civilisation.

Different states different problems. Since 1900s it seems industry has been the source of income. And since 1980s services have been the source of income. Bihar, UP didn't/couldn't develop either. Some of it was just a stroke of luck, B'lore was having a weather which was more foreigner friendly. Most of India's IT service industry was started by south Indians.
Also, large part of India's heavy industry was and is owned by Parsis like Godrej, Tatas. They are based out of Maharashtra. No wonder those states reaped the benefits first.
Bihar was a seat of learning at one point of time. Nalanda University was brutally destroyed by Khiljis in 1200s.
If you look long back enough you will see rise and fall of a number of states in India. Current state is just one the splash in that flow. Whole point of being a part of a union is for states to be together. Who the hell know, tomorrow TN becomes poor because all the auto industry leaves to SL. Or Kerala becomes penurious because of tightening of visa norms and protectionism world-wide.

 

[Shajida Khan]

It would. Just goes to show who precipitated partition.

Primarily it was Nehru and Jinnah. Rest of the pieces fell in their place. Both were exposed to the western world and both were ambitious. Both wanted the best for themselves. Rest is just the justification. Jinnah died earlier without reaping the power. Nehru lived longer to enjoy the power and passed it along his family. Rest as they say, is history.
Funny thing is that Iqbal, often credited for concept of Pakistan never wanted a separate country but a state in which Muslim can live according to their traditions.
United India never had a lingual/religious/skin-color based identity and would have dragger herself with few hitches here and there.

 

[Infowarrior]

Not only are you an ill informed fool and a totally confused retard but you also have a sense of humour . Albeit unintentional .I never knew that about you.

When's the alternative history of Hinduism / Hindutva authored by you going to be published ? You could serialise it here and use the response of the members out here as a some sort of a test audience .

You're in the wrong forum . Why don't you write satire for some TV show . You're a natural . Just reproduce all this shit you post here and add your analysis .You'd easily give Cyrus Broacha and his The Week That Wasn't , a run for his money.

Then , we'd gladly exclaim about you here what you claim about Machiavelli .

P.S - I've a nice big lolly for you if you tell the difference here between yoni ( your origin and slang for what you are ) and garbha.

I use this forum and responses of its members for some sort of test and their responses give me valuable information, but the members who agree with you, are not my audience., and I don't expect to change them either. I mostly use responses of this forum and its members, for my some other audience, who may not members of this forum.

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@Guynextdoor @bonobashi Can you guess, who might be the hungry Lions ?
My lions are hungry, don't go near them: Akhilesh Yadav cautions UP CM Adityanath
My lions are hungry, don't go near them: Akhilesh Yadav cautions UP CM Adityanath -- link

 

[vsdoc]

But right now Gujarati business is gaining more from this symbiosis, than south. Hindutwa also originated from Gujarat.

Hindutva and its fountainhead, the RSS, originated from Maharashtra.

The gujju lobby got the upper hand thanks to Godhra.

The ideological center still remains Maharashtra.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Infowarrior]

No. I am not against giving more money for states like JK or NE. Infact they have been ignored till now. What I am trying to say is, even one state generates 90 rupees, they can be given back 25 rupees instead of 10. And, if the money earmarked is spent for NE states, then we can understand. But the problem arises when they are given to the BIMARU states for their failure to rein in population and development considering all the major states started from base 0.
I do not understand the need for subsidy when they have India's greatest river running through them. They have the best fertile lands in India next to Punjab. If you are from South you will understand the importance of water and they have it which is prequisite for Agri, Industry and civilisation.

The Bimaru states are asking for some sort of reservation.

Not exactly. Maharashtra or rather Bombay 'Section' was always richer. Karnataka was also like wise richer. Punjab lost a lot because a good portion of her fields went to Pakistan. All states were never at same base.

Different states different problems. Since 1900s it seems industry has been the source of income. And since 1980s services have been the source of income. Bihar, UP didn't/couldn't develop either. Some of it was just a stroke of luck, B'lore was having a weather which was more foreigner friendly. Most of India's IT service industry was started by south Indians.
Also, large part of India's heavy industry was and is owned by Parsis like Godrej, Tatas. They are based out of Maharashtra. No wonder those states reaped the benefits first.
Bihar was a seat of learning at one point of time. Nalanda University was brutally destroyed by Khiljis in 1200s.
If you look long back enough you will see rise and fall of a number of states in India. Current state is just one the splash in that flow. Whole point of being a part of a union is for states to be together. Who the hell know, tomorrow TN becomes poor because all the auto industry leaves to SL. Or Kerala becomes penurious because of tightening of visa norms and protectionism world-wide.

The biggest risk is not taking any risk... In a world that's changing really quickly, the only strategy that is guaranteed to fail is not taking risks.

Leap and the net will appear.

 

[Infowarrior]

Unfortunately for you , members like me comprise the bulk of this forum , in case you haven't noticed . I also realise your powers of perception have yet to mature , which is why I had to inform you . Others in your place wouldn't need it .

Sigh ! To think fools like you didn't set my question paper or conducted my Viva . I would definitely have been in a better place . But no . It had to be fools of another sort .

Btw - Mr. Yoni , you still haven't explained the difference between yourself and a garbha.

I noticed long ago that members like you comprise the bulk of this forum. This forum is just a tiny subset of the vast internet. My audience is also in the subconsciousness of my adversaries.

I'm not interested in your base 'yoni' 'garbha' culture, its primitive garbage.

I'm a more interested in the 'pious peacocks' who drink tears for propagation of lineage.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I noticed long ago that members like you comprise the bulk of this forum. This forum is just a tiny subset of the vast internet. My audience is also in the subconsciousness of my adversaries.

I'm not interested in your base 'yoni' 'garbha' culture, its primitive garbage.

I'm a more interested in the 'pious peacocks' who drink tears for propagation of lineage.

Those " pious peacocks" are your equivalent , Mr.Yoni. Their views are as half baked as yours . Consequently , they're as ignorant as you are .

 

[Shajida Khan]

The biggest risk is not taking any risk... In a world that's changing really quickly, the only strategy that is guaranteed to fail is not taking risks.

Leap and the net will appear.

Take risks but buy medical insurance.

 

[Infowarrior]

Hindutva and its fountainhead, the RSS, originated from Maharashtra.

The gujju lobby got the upper hand thanks to Godhra.

The ideological center still remains Maharashtra.

Cheers, Doc

So the bullet train is a bridge between Gujju lobby and Mumbai(which is also the financial capital of India).

So far I have only seen the Gujju lobby exploiting the ideology, they only exhibit an illusion of following the ideology. Their real ideology is profit motive.

Those " pious peacocks" are your equivalent , Mr.Yoni. Their views are as half baked as yours . Consequently , they're as ignorant as you are .

You accuse me of being a pious peacock and Mr. Yoni, at the same time. I also know why you contradict yourself. To solve a puzzle you need logic, unfortunately all the knowledge in the world can't help you in solving a puzzle. You need something inherent.

 

[Infowarrior]

Take risks but buy medical insurance.

But with the lowest premium, most appropriate for the nature of the risk.

 

[vsdoc]

So the bullet train is a bridge between Gujju lobby and Mumbai(which is also the financial capital of India).

So far I have only seen the Gujju lobby exploiting the ideology, they only exhibit an illusion of following the ideology. Their real ideology is profit motive.

The real ideology of any politics is power and profit. That never changes.

What we common men have to decide is which India we want to live in, under the shade of each ideology.

Hope that explains.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Infowarrior]

I don't why the sources of stupid ideologies somehow should make them acceptable. How the hell does 'humans were created by god in heaven and thrown to the earth' become in anyway acceptable when Darwin's evolution is the truth? 'A great saint said it' makes it better? Lies are ultimately that.

Stupid ideologies find stupid people as followers.
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The trick is to successfully influence(guide) the stupid people, sacrifice your useless ideologies and use innovative means to influence them. "Love conquers all"

 

[Infowarrior]

The real ideology of any politics is power and profit. That never changes.

What we common men have to decide is which India we want to live in, under the shade of each ideology.

Hope that explains.

Cheers, Doc

While India can't go back to 1990, India can't also go back to 1200 BC.