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The biggest test of the new farm laws is in comparing states which have apmc and which do not have. Most Punjab farmers are stating on TV debates that their monthly income is 18K compared to Bihar which has just 3k. Now what has not been stated is that the average landholding of farmers in Punjab is 3.65 Ha with 99% canal fed irrigation. So the average per Ha monthly income of Punjab is below 5k/ha.
Now let us talk about Bihar. The average landholding of Bihar is 0.4ha and their average yield per month is 3k with only 40% canal fed irrigation. So the per Ha yield of Bihar is 7.5k/ha. this is 50% higher than that of Punjab. Bihar suffers every year from devastating floods caused by release of water by nepal. Punjab does not suffer floods. Yet the average yield of Bihar is 50% higher than Punjab.
So what shit are these Punjabi farmers crying about? We need to teach them a lesson by putting a quota for procurement by GOI for each state as it is heavily loaded in favour of Punjab and Haryana.
I have passed these comments to the a very senior RSS guy and very soon you will see these being spoken on nNational TV by BJP spokespersons.
 
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Maler said:
MSP is minimum support price not maximum. If grain prices will not cover the production cost, then how can agriculture sector survive. If we have surplus grain, then motivate farmers to switch to other agriculture products like vegetable oil crops by incentivising them, but not by destroying farmers.
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How many decades you have been following the same APMC system?
Why you people are reluctant to give more choice to farmers?
Noone abolish APMC
.But farmers can chose their client .
Farmer suicides are more rampant in the South India ,Maharshtra .
The APMC system is not allowable .
Once MSP system amended this bill is revolutionary.
Punjab can curtail corporates in thrir soil..But you cant force your emotions and sentiments on other Indians in India.

Already this bill gave advantage to some farmers in Maharshtra.

You should lobby Capt Singh to reform your farm sector .
You cant go under the expense of other Indians .
And we cant allow our farmers become a scape goat for your petty politics and sentiments
 
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whats more funny is we used to have similar MSP and quota system for automobile and telecom sector too, but no one like to bring back those policies tomorrow. wonder why ? because both Producer and customer benefited by abolition of those laws
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telecom sector has become a near monopoly, automobile sector isnt flying either. We must be one of the few countries in the world where we still manufacture manual geared cars in large numbers. Just see the safety rating of our cars that should be an eye opener. But the very same manufacturers export cars having better safety features to the rest of the world. What we need is not just laws but honest ppl with big stick, we have neither.
 
jetray said:
telecom sector has become a near monopoly, automobile sector isnt flying either. We must be one of the few countries in the world where we still manufacture manual geared cars in large numbers. Just see the safety rating of our cars that should be an eye opener. But the very same manufacturers export cars having better safety features to the rest of the world. What we need is not just laws but honest ppl with big stick, we have neither.
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Telecom has become monopoly but it's the case of taking huge risk at right time that paid off. Due to Jio's investment directly into 4G, we have seen evolution of handheld devices in usage and economic activities.

MSP is unsustainable, doesn't matter if BJP, Congress or AAP etc is in center, not only in terms of economy but also environmental impact, from declining water table to rotting of excess crops in storage to stubble burning.

But it doesn't matter, protest is already hijacked by nefarious elements.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1336681155823685632

BJ trolling an MP of Indian origin.
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What kind of MPs they have speaking like a typical graduate from whatsapp University. Are these arguments; water cannon, feeding police? Discuss the farm bill, compare to own system and prove how bills are discriminatory.
 
jetray said:
1.telecom sector has become a near monopoly
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4 big teleco each providing all king of cellular and broadband services pan India along with countless number of local ISPs doesn't sound like a monopoly but a healthy market. Govt is even infusing huge sums of money to keep BSNL afloat and expand. VI OTOH came out of its existential crisis due to a Govt led extortion in the name of spectrum charges which were unrealistic and unjustified. FYI that witch hunt too was initiated after Prashant Bhushan and his various NGOs filled RTI for corruption in spectrum allotment.
Funny thing is no Politician and Govt employee is punished for the planned mis-management meanwhile Cellular companies(I'm talking about Major Telcos like Airtel,Voda,Idea,Tata etc and not the numerous proxies like ,systema,unitec and dozen others ) were ordered to deposit compensation and yearly spectrum charges over and above the original and specified allotment value. this is called institutional blackmailing/extortion.
jetray said:
, automobile sector isnt flying either. We must be one of the few countries in the world where we still manufacture manual geared cars in large numbers. Just see the safety rating of our cars that should be an eye opener. But the very same manufacturers export cars having better safety features to the rest of the world.
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Depends on what flying mean to you. FYI India is the 4th largest car and auto and second largest Bike manufacturer in the world. We export cars and Bikes and bikes to Every continent of the world including America, Europe, ME, Asia and Africa.

what's wrong with geared cars ? They are more fuel efficient, cheaper, less maintenance intensive and more engaging. Its not that we dont produce auto boxes either which are available for every new model in the market starting from AMT of Kwid to the DCT of Altroz and Torque Converter of Hexa. Reportedly Both Tata and Mahindra tune their Auto Boxes better than VWs and Honda/Suzukis. just watch AutoCar reviews for more information.


LOL, Eye Opener ??? really ??? Do you know that the only two models with 5 star GNCAP rating are Tata Nexon and Altroz and and Mahindra XUV300. Even the Thar is 4 star rated. (Although Harrier and 2021 XUV500 are also rumored to be tested 5 star on GNCAP)
Both Tata and M&M are consistently churning out safer cars(above 3star on GNCAP) than their international rivals. None of the Japanease, Korean and even European models sold in India are 5 star rated (VW polo and vento based on same platforms are 4 star rated on Euro NCAP)
Is that sound unsafe to you ??
FYI Kia Seltos got 3 star in same GNCAP
jetray said:
What we need is not just laws but honest ppl with big stick, we have neither.
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Again you are contradicting your own stance on defending a Law forced during British Raj and adopted by wannabe Universal Boss Nehru. he wanted to control every aspect of lives of peasant Indians be it their religious ideology or their ability to produce and sell something in their own land. we have laws for *censored*ing everything

PS: compared to other liberalized sectors like Auto and Telecom, what do you think about our closet Socialistic Agri sector ? how it fairs in efficiency compared to others keeping in mind that India has largest arable land and half of our population are agri based. please enlighten us
 
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jetray said:
telecom sector has become a near monopoly, automobile sector isnt flying either. We must be one of the few countries in the world where we still manufacture manual geared cars in large numbers. Just see the safety rating of our cars that should be an eye opener. But the very same manufacturers export cars having better safety features to the rest of the world. What we need is not just laws but honest ppl with big stick, we have neither.
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How? Airtel and idea are still strong competitors. And it's only due to Jio that majority of India could even avail the service of internet. And due to cheap internet online transactions also have increased. The government wouldnt even come close to giving such services at such cheap cost and good quality. It only has done good to the telecom sector.
And for the automobile sector blame the customer and the government rather than the companies. Since the Indian customer wants the cheapest care with the best mileage and doesn't really care about features the cars are of that quality. Also most people in India can only afford two wheelers or cheap four wheelers like Alto. Buying a four wheeler with all of the electronics and safety would atleast cost a minimum of 10 lakhs. Companies don't sell for a loss. We are not the USSR.
We don't need more laws we need better implementation of existing laws.
 
SrNair said:
How many decades you have been following the same APMC system?
Why you people are reluctant to give more choice to farmers?
Noone abolish APMC
.But farmers can chose their client .
Farmer suicides are more rampant in the South India ,Maharshtra .
The APMC system is not allowable .
Once MSP system amended this bill is revolutionary.
Punjab can curtail corporates in thrir soil..But you cant force your emotions and sentiments on other Indians in India.

Already this bill gave advantage to some farmers in Maharshtra.

You should lobby Capt Singh to reform your farm sector .
You cant go under the expense of other Indians .
And we cant allow our farmers become a scape goat for your petty politics and sentiments
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Our farmers and your farmers??? So we are not Indians anymore??? Or you want to say you Sikhs and we Hindus???

Now listen, India is not dictatorship, atleast not yet. India does not belong to any Gujju 'Emperor' or 'Divider in Chief'. We will fight for our democratic rights, enshrined in our constitution.

As you mentioned, you can implement these laws in your states e.g. Bihar. We will not let these regressive laws implemented Period!!! APMC & MSP is here to stay.
 
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Maler said:
Our farmers and your farmers??? So we are not Indians anymore??? Or you want to say you Sikhs and we Hindus???

Now listen, India is not dictatorship, atleast not yet. India does not belong to any Gujju 'Emperor' or 'Divider in Chief'. We will fight for our democratic rights, enshrined in our constitution.

As you mentioned, you can implement these laws in your states e.g. Bihar. We will not let these regressive laws implemented Period!!! APMC & MSP is here to stay.
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How much wheat you keep at home keeping all contingencies in mind like cyclone or droughts? Let's say 100Kg. Now you have already purchased 400 Kg. Will you hoard more at MRP? Neither you will allow seller to sell to other customers. In essence, your income is rotting in some storage. Another point is the seller will only produce and sell MSP items.

Problem is that with increasing MSP, imports are becoming cheaper. So you are forcing same corporations to import cheaply and sell. It's neither about state nor about religion but about logic. Now you may have some personal interests in keeping decades old law and masquerading it in emotional overtone, that's your stand. Many were hit in demonetization and GST as well, that's what reforms are about. Otherwise there's no need for democracy and election manifestos if all a leader has to do is continue same system, bureaucracy is more than enough.

 
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Maler said:
Our farmers and your farmers??? So we are not Indians anymore??? Or you want to say you Sikhs and we Hindus???

Now listen, India is not dictatorship, atleast not yet. India does not belong to any Gujju 'Emperor' or 'Divider in Chief'. We will fight for our democratic rights, enshrined in our constitution.

As you mentioned, you can implement these laws in your states e.g. Bihar. We will not let these regressive laws implemented Period!!! APMC & MSP is here to stay.
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Noice.
Cole_phelps said:
How much wheat you keep at home keeping all contingencies in mind like cyclone or droughts? Let's say 100Kg. Now you have already purchased 400 Kg. Will you hoard more at MRP? Neither you will allow seller to sell to other customers. In essence, your income is rotting in some storage. Another point is the seller will only produce and sell MSP items.

Problem is that with increasing MSP, imports are becoming cheaper. So you are forcing same corporations to import cheaply and sell. It's neither about state nor about religion but about logic. Now you may have some personal interests in keeping decades old law and masquerading it in emotional overtone, that's your stand. Many were hit in demonetization and GST as well, that's what reforms are about. Otherwise there's no need for democracy and election manifestos if all a leader has to do is continue same system, bureaucracy is more than enough.

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It’s basically saying F*** U Bihar (or XYZ)
We(He) will keep producing wheat and Rice using you peasants as labour and free electricity and water and force you to buy our wheat and rice at the cost of yourself. And if you Biharis(or XYZ) resist, we will play Sikh victim Card.

For us everyone is Bihari(understand the meaning) outside Punjab. Be it a Mallu like SrNair or a Hariyanvi like vstol. We are Punjab, we are superior


Nice tactic IMO. Damn you(Bihari or XYZ) agree and damn if you don’t.meanwhile some of us keep fingering your assholes like Yograj Singh.
 
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Noice.

It’s basically saying F*** U Bihar (or XYZ)
We(He) will keep producing wheat and Rice using you peasants as labour and free electricity and water and force you to buy our wheat and rice at the cost of yourself. And if you Biharis(or XYZ) resist, we will play Sikh victim Card.

For us everyone is Bihari(understand the meaning) outside Punjab. Be it a Mallu like SrNair or a Hariyanvi like vstol. We are Punjab, we are superior


Nice tactic IMO. Damn you(Bihari or XYZ) agree and damn if you don’t.meanwhile some of us keep fingering your assholes like Yograj Singh.
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Whatever float your boat!

1st I mentioned Bihar because it is touted as success story of private mandi system. 2nd We are not forcing anyone to come to Punjab to work as peasants!

In 2003, Punjab Govt tried to diversify from wheat and paddy cycle. But then center govt forced us to continue producing wheat and paddy sighting national food security requirements. Now a new 'Chowkidar' arrived and ordered us to hand over your lands to his 'Masters' and work as peasants on your own land or you will be punished for disobeying orders and will be singled out as 'We' vs 'You' & demonized as 'Khalistanis' trying to scuttle economic development of 'Hindu Rashtra'.

Not gonna happen mate!!! We are as Indian as anyone else.
 
Maler said:
Whatever float your boat!

1st I mentioned Bihar because it is touted as success story of private mandi system. 2nd We are not forcing anyone to come to Punjab to work as peasants!

In 2003, Punjab Govt tried to diversify from wheat and paddy cycle. But then center govt forced us to continue producing wheat and paddy sighting national food security requirements. Now a new 'Chowkidar' arrived and ordered us to hand over your lands to his 'Masters' and work as peasants on your own land or you will be punished for disobeying orders and will be singled out as 'We' vs 'You' & demonized as 'Khalistanis' trying to scuttle economic development of 'Hindu Rashtra'.

Not gonna happen mate!!! We are as Indian as anyone else.
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In these New Laws , there is NO compulsion to sell your Production to private companies

If ALL Punjab farmers agree they can boycott outside traders

Basically the Arhatiyas or Commission agents have a vice like grip over farmers in Punjab
 
Maler said:
Whatever float your boat!

1st I mentioned Bihar because it is touted as success story of private mandi system. 2nd We are not forcing anyone to come to Punjab to work as peasants!

In 2003, Punjab Govt tried to diversify from wheat and paddy cycle. But then center govt forced us to continue producing wheat and paddy sighting national food security requirements. Now a new 'Chowkidar' arrived and ordered us to hand over your lands to his 'Masters' and work as peasants on your own land or you will be punished for disobeying orders and will be singled out as 'We' vs 'You' & demonized as 'Khalistanis' trying to scuttle economic development of 'Hindu Rashtra'.

Not gonna happen mate!!! We are as Indian as anyone else.
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Bro not interested in collection of what essentially are “whatsapp forwards”

May you get rid of these “Kaala kanoon” and find peace
PS: Being an avid watcher of Punjabi movies, I know a thing or two about perception of “Biharis” in Punjabi culture. You don’t have to clearify that.
 
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Basically the Arhatiyas or Commission agents have a vice like grip over farmers in Punjab
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Cant say about Punjab but here in UP they act like owners of FCI.
Anyway in UP quota for per farmer is extremely small so you have to warm the pockets of these Agents anyway for selling any significant amount to FCI, specially since we cant sell our crops (legally) anywhere else due to fear of customs seizing it.

So most of the times we end up selling it to local sahookars at low rates for convenience and fear of getting entangled into legal quagmire.
 
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Maler said:
Whatever float your boat!

1st I mentioned Bihar because it is touted as success story of private mandi system. 2nd We are not forcing anyone to come to Punjab to work as peasants!

In 2003, Punjab Govt tried to diversify from wheat and paddy cycle. But then center govt forced us to continue producing wheat and paddy sighting national food security requirements. Now a new 'Chowkidar' arrived and ordered us to hand over your lands to his 'Masters' and work as peasants on your own land or you will be punished for disobeying orders and will be singled out as 'We' vs 'You' & demonized as 'Khalistanis' trying to scuttle economic development of 'Hindu Rashtra'.

Not gonna happen mate!!! We are as Indian as anyone else.
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It seem you are revolting just for the sake of it, could you please help me understand how can any corporate will be able to take away land from the small farmers. Do you in Punjab arthiyas are major money lender to small farmer and every time they take away significant portion of farmer produce against the money they owed to them and all this done without any legal frame or contract. No one is revolting against this exploitation which are being carried by arthiyas for so many decades against these farmers. But you have problem when corporate who will directly engage with farmer and carryout contract farming under legal frame work.

I have also stated earlier contract farming is not new concept in India, its been widely used in dairy and poultry sector which is growing more than 10% annually. I was part of big corporate which was engaged in milk procurement in Punjab and i have seen how the small farmer has flourished by contract farming structure.
 
@Maler no disrespect to you bro but you Punjabi folks are to emotional to judge anything on the basis of merit.

And regarding Khalistan card played by Hindus, well its true and unfortunately gets everyone riled up hearing this name again.
But One thing I can assure you that outside Punjab, you will never find a Sikh Hater. So your allegation of Sikh/Punjabis being singled out is false. Truth is that Punjab has developed a system around Mandi System in which everybody gets benefitted including farmer, middle-men, the state Govt and labourers from outside.Earlier it used to benefit whole India too in form of cheap food grains to masses via ration shops, but not anymore. Since other states are catching up to Punjab/Hariyan in crop production things are getting worse for us every year.
The same system that is benefitting you is sucking our blood out.Though Our production is increasing but there are no buyery because Govt cant buy above certain level (due to logistics I assume). Its frustrating for us to sell our produce at negligible rate compared to market rate.
And Its not sustainable at all.
So understand why we are supporting this British Raj law to be abolished(Its Kaala Kanoon for us)
 
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