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Inside Reliance Jio's Make in India strategy for 5G, IoT to cut dependence on foreign gear
In a global first among mobile phone operators, Reliance Jio has developed its own 5G technology as it looks to reduce dependence on foreign vendors and bring cost-related advantages.

Inside Reliance Jio's Make in India strategy for 5G, IoT to cut dependence on foreign gear's Make in India strategy for 5G, IoT to cut dependence on foreign gear
NEW DELHI: In a global first among mobile phone operators, Reliance Jio has developed its own 5G technology as it looks to reduce dependence on foreign vendors and bring cost-related advantages.

The Mukesh Ambani-owned telco has already replaced Nokia and Oracle’s 4G voice technology with its own from its pan-India network, people familiar with the matter said.

The move is perhaps a global first, analysts said, where a mobile phone company has developed in-house technology to replace third-party equipment vendors.

“We have now developed everything end-to-end around 5G technology. We are more scalable than these vendors and are fully automated since we have our own cloud-native platform. In 5G, we will totally be self-sufficient,” the person told ET.

Jio has designed its own hardware for the 5G technology, which could be made in India once 5G trials are successful along with the Internet of Things (IoT) gear. “We can give the design, layouts and board support packages to third-party manufacturers to have our gear made.”

Having developed end-to-end 5G technology, Jio would be able to bring a wide array of use cases like security and surveillance using drones, industrial IoT and digitisation in the agriculture sector. “Broadband and voice will be the baseline of our technology.”


The telco has already informed the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) and sought its approval to conduct 5G trials based on its own technology. It had recently given a separate presentation to the DoT to explain its technology and possible use cases.

“Our own technology will help us commercially as well as offer flexibility. We can customise use cases and also tailor India specific needs,” the person said.

Jio didn't respond to ET's emailed queries.

Jio has previously applied to carry out 5G trials with European vendors Ericsson and Nokia, China’s Huawei besides and Samsung, a South Korean equipment vendor that is also its sole 4G radio vendor.

Vodafone Idea and Airtel too had submitted their proposals jointly with Ericsson, Nokia, and Chinese giant Huawei, while BSNL is tying up with another Chinese vendor, ZTE.


"Jio is actively looking to build 5G and IoT technology capability in-house through a mix of organic and inorganic approach. The move is unprecedented not only in India but also globally as most operators have relied on technology vendors for network equipment," Ashwinder Sethi, principal at Analysys Mason said.

Rancore technologies, earlier a subsidiary of RIL, was merged with Jio and the acquisition of Radisys further builds upon its 5G and IoT technology capability. These acquisitions accelerated Jio’s in-house development capabilities around open source technologies and NFV adoption, paving way for the development for IoT platform and applications, analysts said.

Jio’s rivals, Bharti Airtel, and Vodafone, on the other hand -- as part of their established enterprise businesses -- are already offering IoT services.

Sethi added that Jio’s approach will help it reduce its dependency on third-party vendors as well as customize its technology based on the 5G and IoT standards that will be adopted by India. "It will also be interesting to see whether this approach has cost benefits as well once the 5G technology is commercially deployed by Jio."

Jio’s own IMS (IP Multimedia Subsystem) solution (vIMS) for VoLTE and VoWiFi is live since October 2019. It was previously using Nokia and Oracle’s IMS and related technology to offer 4G voice service.



“This is for the first time that an Indian product has replaced European and American technologies. Eight billion calls per day and 4.5 billion SMSs per day are now handled on Jio’s own technologies - TAS, IPSMGW and SMSC,” the person added.

In a blog, Nokia's executive Barry French, however, said that Jio replaced "one specific element of Nokia-provided IMS (IP Multimedia Subsystem) with their own product (our TAS to their CTAS) in the core networks, but there is certainly no IMS swap underway."

The telco has also made strides in the IoT and enterprise domains by developing its in-house technology. “We have developed IoT Core node such as IoT HSS and IoT PCRF.”

A second person privy to the development said that Jio is making steady progress in the enterprise domain using services based on its own technology.

“The Business Telephony system is also in house based on its technology Business TAS (BTAS)…we have connected cloud centrex and sip trunks to hundreds of enterprise sites using it…most of our rivals are using technologies from players like Cisco for this,” he added.

Jio now has commercial customers for enterprise services like SIP trunk, Centrex, Toll-free, Virtual mobile number and IVR in India. “The recent video chat bot is also powered by our BTAS,” the second person said.
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See- proves my points. for 20 years we've been asking why despite having companies like TCS we've been asking why we don't have a succesful 'product'- because this company wants a bigger share of the value chain it is building more capabilities here.
 
See- proves my points. for 20 years we've been asking why despite having companies like TCS we've been asking why we don't have a succesful 'product'- because this company wants a bigger share of the value chain it is building more capabilities here.
What point dude ?
My assertion is simple, ie keep patriotism and nationalism to yourself. Don’t lable everyone with some stupid labels like nonPatriot, Traitor, leftist etc.
Every countrymen loves his country and want to see it progress. He may or may not like your favourite politician. But its entirely irreverent.
BJP doesn’t have IPR of Right wing philosophy. So a non BJP person can be a right wing too.
And being leftist is not a crime at least in India.
 
What point dude ?
My assertion is simple, ie keep patriotism and nationalism to yourself. Don’t lable everyone with some stupid labels like nonPatriot, Traitor, leftist etc.
Every countrymen loves his country and want to see it progress. He may or may not like your favourite politician. But its entirely irreverent.
BJP doesn’t have IPR of Right wing philosophy. So a non BJP person can be a right wing too.
And being leftist is not a crime at least in India.

Airtel has made billions- neither did it make 3G nor 4G nor 5G. So some companies are better than others.
How is this any different from HAL purely assembling planes Vs making them?
 
Airtel has made billions- neither did it make 3G nor 4G nor 5G. So some companies are better than others.
How is this any different from HAL purely assembling planes Vs making them?
Airtel is not a tech company. Its just a telecom provider/operator like Idea, BSNL, MTNL in India and hundreds of others across the globe. Neither its their job nor they have financial and technological strength to develop future software and hardware.
Its like I expecting you to build your phone at home by yourself. Though its not impossible but its not feasible.
Anyway there was no 5G couple of years earlier.
 
Airtel is not a tech company. Its just a telecom provider/operator like Idea, BSNL, MTNL in India and hundreds of others across the globe. Neither its their job nor they have financial and technological strength to develop future software and hardware.
Its like I expecting you to build your phone at home by yourself. Though its not impossible but its not feasible.
Anyway there was no 5G couple of years earlier.

Neither was Jio;
 
Neither was Jio;
Jio has Mukesh Ambani Behind it. He the wealthiest man of India since decades.
Airtel is still struggling to repay debts due to faulty overpriced spectrum allotment fee and yearly rent extorted by the Gov on 2G/3G and 4G separately.
Telecom sector right now is in deep trouble and companies are unable to even repay the spectrum charges to the govt.
Gone are the mushrooms of telecom operators to choose in each circle. Govt is literally sucking the blood out of these companies.
Jio has just entered the market and are entirely on 4G with no past baggage of 2G/3G to maintain. So they are lean and mean right now with ample cash supply from Ambani.
Others are not that lucky.
 
Jio has Mukesh Ambani Behind it. He the wealthiest man of India since decades.
Airtel is still struggling to repay debts due to faulty overpriced spectrum allotment fee and yearly rent extorted by the Gov on 2G/3G and 4G separately.
Telecom sector right now is in deep trouble and companies are unable to even repay the spectrum charges to the govt.
Gone are the mushrooms of telecom operators to choose in each circle. Govt is literally sucking the blood out of these companies.
Jio has just entered the market and are entirely on 4G with no past baggage of 2G/3G to maintain. So they are lean and mean right now with ample cash supply from Ambani.
Others are not that lucky.

excuses, excuses.
 
excuses, excuses.
Do you even know how much debt Airtel and Voda-Idea have on them ?
Also do you know how much Airtel paid(:)) to Tata to buy Docomo ? Answer is Zero. But they promised to settle the huge debt and liabilities of DoCoMo.
Similar was the case with AIRCEL, Reliance and Telenor. All were in deep debt.

There is simply no money to do any research work.
 
Do you even know how much debt Airtel and Voda-Idea have on them ?
Also do you know how much Airtel paid:))) to Tata to buy Docomo ? Answer is Zero. But they promised to settle the huge debt and liabilities of DoCoMo.
Similar was the case with AIRCEL, Reliance and Telenor. All were in deep debt.

There is simply no money to do any research work.

there is a commie explanation for everything.
 
They are all inefficient
No. But Munnu Sing’s govt did a day light robbery with telecom operators, first by illegally selling spectrum at cheap prices to shady companies and subsequently the exorbitant fine imposed on every operator in the name of loss due to fraud.
I mean If there was indeed a scam, why only telecom oprators were punished and not a single politician/telecom official ? Even D Raja was acquitted who was responsible for violating the PMO guidelines regarding the schedule of allocation process.

I don’t know what calculations they used to calculate spectrum price that it jumped 100 folds from earlier auctions.

They even uniletrally changed the rule to extort additional tax as percentage of yearly revenue over and above what companies have paid for the spectrum plus fines.

This business friendly govt did nothing to correct the wrongs done with these operators and the courts acting as mafias to threaten to disallow operations if money is not paid. Resulting in failing and bankruptcy of almost all operators barring Airtel and Voda/Idia which to this day are trying to survive by any means.

Inefeeiciency is nit in companies but in Governance and Judiciary.
Here the govt has robbed the companies. They are trapped to pay the huge spectrum fees till decades to come.
 
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No. But Munnu Sing’s govt did a day light robbery with telecom operators, first by illegally selling spectrum at cheap prices to shady companies and subsequently the exorbitant fine imposed on every operator in the name of loss due to fraud.
I mean If there was indeed a scam, why only telecom oprators were punished and not a single politician/telecom official ? Even D Raja was acquitted who was responsible for violating the PMO guidelines regarding the schedule of allocation process.

I don’t know what calculations they used to calculate spectrum price that it jumped 100 folds from earlier auctions.

They even uniletrally changed the rule to extort additional tax as percentage of yearly revenue over and above what companies have paid for the spectrum plus fines.
This business friendly govt did nothing to correct the wrongs done with these operators and the courts acting as mafias to threaten to disallow operations if money is not paid.

Sometimes I wonder whether you actually read the stuff you write- munnu singh runs a scam and gives spectrum at throwaway price, said companies stil flounder but you want to disincentivize a company that was not a part of munni singh scams and is the very epitome of efficiency? Goddamn commies can't even argue rationally.
 
Sometimes I wonder whether you actually read the stuff you write- munnu singh runs a scam and gives spectrum at throwaway price, said companies stil flounder but you want to disincentivize a company that was not a part of munni singh scams and is the very epitome of efficiency? Goddamn commies can't even argue rationally.


For starters instead of ranting commie this and commie that read about that 2G scam and how the subsequent over correction by the bureaucrats ruined what was once thriving sector.
Initial scam was just one part of whole saga. The clusterfuck started after setting of the inquiry committee.
 
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Sometimes I pity our education system , specially the fake B tech degree selling Engineering colleges, for giving degrees to People with questionable intellect to even argue rationally.

For starters instead of ranting commie this and commie that read about that 2G scam and how the subsequent over correction by the bureaucrats ruined what was once thriving sector.
Initial scam was just one part of whole saga. The clusterfuck started after setting of the inquiry committee.

Wow. You pity my education system....when you can't even make out that I supported every single thing you said about the scam. I routed the obvious implication- why do you want to incentivize the same companies that were involved in the scam and you have no answer.
 
Wow. You pity my education system....when you can't even make out that I supported every single thing you said about the scam. I routed the obvious implication- why do you want to incentivize the same companies that were involved in the scam and you have no answer.
Sorry for loosing my calm. Deeply sorry for that.
Edited out the insulting words already. Please edit your post too

On topic, I tried to make you understand by typing such a long post and you again went haywire. That’s why the frustration.
Again sorry for that
And please tell me what crime Airtel or voda did in that “scam” ?
 
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Jio has Mukesh Ambani Behind it. He the wealthiest man of India since decades.
Airtel is still struggling to repay debts due to faulty overpriced spectrum allotment fee and yearly rent extorted by the Gov on 2G/3G and 4G separately.
Telecom sector right now is in deep trouble and companies are unable to even repay the spectrum charges to the govt.
Gone are the mushrooms of telecom operators to choose in each circle. Govt is literally sucking the blood out of these companies.
Jio has just entered the market and are entirely on 4G with no past baggage of 2G/3G to maintain. So they are lean and mean right now with ample cash supply from Ambani.
Others are not that lucky.

Airtel has made Billions from the Indian market by selling 1GB data for 255-300 rupees and then bought off all the African countries telecom networks, they are top 2 in entire African continent. Airtel could have easily invested that money for technology upgradation and innovation in India just like Jio is doing now.

Even in Wired Broadband sector Airtel was the most anti-consumer company which introduced the concept of Fair usage policy for the first time in India which later everyone copied. Their slow broadband plans only improved after massive competition from Act Fibre and Excitel.

Airtel-Vodafone-Idea cartel destroyed the SMS market by charging for incoming SMS termination which led to dismantling of 3000/5000 monthly SMS packs and naturally this led to rise of whatsapp and then Airtel tried to keep whatsapp out of normal 3G internet claiming you should buy separate internet pack but net neutrality rules destroyed this hellish plan of Airtel.

Have many more things to say about these companies but this short rant is good enough for now.
 
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Airtel has made Billions from the Indian market by selling 1GB data for 255-300 rupees and then bought off all the African countries telecom networks, they are top 2 in entire African continent. Airtel could have easily invested that money for technology upgradation and innovation in India just like Jio is doing now.

Even in Wired Broadband sector Airtel was the most anti-consumer company which introduced the concept of Fair usage policy for the first time in India which later everyone copied. Their slow broadband plans only improved after massive competition from Act Fibre and Excitel.

Airtel-Vodafone-Idea cartel destroyed the SMS market by charging for incoming SMS termination which led to dismantling of 3000/5000 monthly SMS packs and naturally this led to rise of whatsapp and then Airtel tried to keep whatsapp out of normal 3G internet claiming you should buy separate internet pack but net neutrality rules destroyed this hellish plan of Airtel.

Have many more things to say about these companies but this short rant is good enough for now.
Why not start with BSNL and hutch and ESSAR then? Their charges for even incoming call. 500 rs for just keep the phone activated. Their always busy lines and frequent call drops ?

Airtel was the company that brought affordable quality service to the consumers. Their network was superior from the start in every aspect. Idea was good too. And their prices were always competitive. A bit less expensive than voda and BSNL but higher than other small companies like Aircel and Tata Docomo
They always priced their services competitively despite offering better services.
FUP was not Airtel’s invention but Varizon and AT&T USA.
And even BSNL has FUP even though their speed never crosses mentioned post FUP speed in my home connection.
My Airtel 4G gives a speed of 10 to 20 Mbps while BSNL broadband hardly crosses 3-4 Mbps(20 Mbps plan)
 
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Why not start with BSNL and hutch and ESSAR then? Their charges for even incoming call. 500 rs for just keep the phone activated. Their always busy lines and frequent call drops ?

Airtel was the company that brought affordable quality service to the consumers. Their network was superior from the start in every aspect. Idea was good too. And their prices were always competitive. A bit less expensive than voda and BSNL but higher than other small companies like Aircel and Tata Docomo

That is immaterial to the topic at hand. Airtel has made Billions and then transferred that money to buy out Africa instead of upgrading and innovating in India. No big tech company wants to invest in Airtel as they know it has nothing to offer.

Mittal was going to International conferences and forums and battling for Huawei, his speeches and interviews are on youtube. Only recently has that idiot got a call from GOI and he has ditched huawei for the new 4G contracts which was announced yesterday.

5G deployment by buying from others itself will be a big task for these Airtel fools, let alone developing actual 5G technology for use and export.
 
That is immaterial to the topic at hand. Airtel has made Billions and then transferred that money to buy out Africa instead of upgrading and innovating in India. No big tech company wants to invest in Airtel as they know it has nothing to offer.

Mittal was going to International conferences and forums and battling for Huawei, his speeches and interviews are on youtube. Only recently has that idiot got a call from GOI and he has ditched huawei for the new 4G contracts which was announced yesterday.

5G deployment by buying from others itself will be a big task for these Airtel fools, let alone developing actual 5G technology for use and export.
Again you are comparing apples with the oranges. Airtel/Idea/voda are service providers and not tech companies like Ericsson, Siemens or Huwa hua :LOL:

Jio one the other hand can do it due to its part of Ambani conglomerate, which has tech divisions like Redisys and others who do research and development work.

And in financial power Mukesh and Mittal is like Dinosaur and lizard.