Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

IMO

Yes we can , provided we have the balls to do so

We have precidence to fall on eg the Chinese backed down from pancheel agreement with India and attacked India and the violations of border past and now is in contravention of signed agreements.

Only the weak adheres to agreements .

In realpolitiks agreements are made to be broken one day - the day you are strong enough to get away with it.

Indians are weak and hence they adhere to agreements inspite of transgressions since we lack the force and will to punish the violaters and rather hide under the hilarious notion of moral ascendency of maintaining agreements which is rather a soft cover for our impotence.

The USA Russia Europe regularly walk out of agreements , what's the big deal

Best we Indians get out of these silly notions of moral ascendancy . Its suicidal .
US walking out of an arms control agreement is not the same as India walking out of agreement to recognize tibet as part of China. An equivalent to this would be:Russia walking out of the contract to handover Alaska to USA, and not recognizing it as part of US territory... Will Russia ever do it..?
 
And why and how do u say so? Which country was devastated in WW2? Which country had a civil war for 20-25 years? Which country's leader carried out a mass murder in form of great leap forward? Which country had a well oiled WW2 experienced west trained army? Which country had western equipments ?
For the first 3 questions the answer is China and remaining questions answer is India , u decide.
Most chinese were Han chinese, with a keen sense of belonging to one nation.. The process of forging India's subnational identities into one nation, had only just begun with the freedom struggle. There were too many centrifugal forces to contend with.. Integrating NEFA and princely states, and reconciling Hindi heartland with south india, were much higher on the agenda.. Yes, if India had allied with US, we could have built up the logistics to push the chinese back from tibet..
 
Most chinese were Han chinese, with a keen sense of belonging to one nation.. The process of forging India's subnational identities into one nation, had only just begun with the freedom struggle. There were too many centrifugal forces to contend with.. Integrating NEFA and princely states, and reconciling Hindi heartland with south india, were much higher on the agenda.. Yes, if India had allied with US, we could have built up the logistics to push the chinese back from tibet..

China had a leader who knew how the world worked and was willing to take casualties to achieve goals

India has the mentality of tough talk, pushing the adversary and then crouching into a ball when the enemy comes to hit back.
 
Most chinese were Han chinese, with a keen sense of belonging to one nation.. The process of forging India's subnational identities into one nation, had only just begun with the freedom struggle. There were too many centrifugal forces to contend with.. Integrating NEFA and princely states, and reconciling Hindi heartland with south india, were much higher on the agenda.. Yes, if India had allied with US, we could have built up the logistics to push the chinese back from tibet..
I ll tell you only one thing, China had Mao and Zhou Enlai , we had Nehru and Menon.
If only we had Sardar Patel
 
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India has the mentality of tough talk, pushing the adversary and then crouching into a ball when the enemy comes to hit back.

India has nearly 3 million young RSS members to make up for the tough-talking cowards. They can be trained and deployed to the front lines in 3 days. Beyond RSS, we have additional options, if needed.
 
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@Falcon pointed out we can't afford to do it since millions of soldiers will die on both sides.
If we manage to beat Chinese in Laddakh then the unrest in Tibet would be so high that we would only need to airdrop arms ammunitions there. Local population will do the rest by themselves. And yes we have SFF for coordination if we desire to do it.
 
Most chinese were Han chinese, with a keen sense of belonging to one nation.. The process of forging India's subnational identities into one nation, had only just begun with the freedom struggle. There were too many centrifugal forces to contend with.. Integrating NEFA and princely states, and reconciling Hindi heartland with south india, were much higher on the agenda.. Yes, if India had allied with US, we could have built up the logistics to push the chinese back from tibet..
Sir praise Nehru all you can but please don't try to defend Nehru on National Security. It's pretty much like trying to defend RaGa in general. All the problems you mentioned for India, China had all those and some more. Nehru pretty much lived in Lala Land all throughout regarding Strategic affairs and International Politics. He believed and communicated to the first British Indian Army Commander in Chief Lockhart that India Didn't need an army because India did not face any threat. Police is more than enough. Jinnah knocked some sense into him. But still, he went back to his Disney land did not equip the army, appointed family friends in army leadership positions believed China won't fight and we were humiliated in 1962.
During the 1948 war when the Pakistanis were kilometres away from Srinagar airport and Sam Manekshaw went to report to Nehru, he started talking about the UN, World peace, Africa and what not in complete disregard to the problem presented to him. Patel intervened and gave Manekshaw the required orders. Some things are genetic!
 
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Open opposition to Chinese occupation of tibet would have meant huge military expenditure that India could not afford just immediately after independence. But ditching the Dalai lama was something that any indian could not bring himself to do.

India has earmarked Rs 20 lakh crore stimulus package. Atleast o, once put 10 pc of that amount aside. Indian armed forces will get everything they want.
India cannot solve this problem by remaining in a reactionary mode. They have to find a out of box plan to solve it.


Very well said.
India cannot solve this problem by remaining in a reactionary mode. They have to find a out of box plan to solve it.


Very well said.
 
Wow.

I don't have a Twitter acc or I'd have given this person a verbal lynching.

He's trying to compare friendship gestures to his traitorous attempts at giving away Indian land. He tries to being in every policy decision in the past to try mask his perfidious intentions of giving away lands won by Indian blood and sacrifice.

This guy was a discount Neheru, sucking up our tax money to give away our lands as his own fiefdom.
 
If we manage to beat Chinese in Laddakh then the unrest in Tibet would be so high that we would only need to airdrop arms ammunitions there. Local population will do the rest by themselves. And yes we have SFF for coordination if we desire to do it.

That's not realistically possible. Plus the population is too small. And China is cruel enough to go overboard while crushing it.
 
That's not realistically possible. Plus the population is too small. And China is cruel enough to go overboard while crushing it.
Sir only link that China has with Tibet is G219 HW which would be on our mercy during the war. Hence we could easily prevent any reinforcement to reach in Tibet for crushing that uprising. Plus our SFF could easily mobilise Tibetans against Hans, I admit Chinese are cruel but they have showed their cruelty only on unarmed protestors. If we arm the Tibetans then those Chinese soldiers won't dare to fight them. And I have not mentioned Xinjiang. Together they have more than 70 million population, enough for a stiff resistance.
 
That's not realistically possible. Plus the population is too small. And China is cruel enough to go overboard while crushing it.

Our military objectives would be limited to LAC , depends on how far INSIDE our territory do the Chinese bomb or shell

My point is that if China WANTS LADAKH , will it bomb LEH , which is the capital of Ladakh

What message would that be

And if they attack Srinagar , will the local Muslim population celebrate it