Nuclear MAD Scenario and possible effects in Indo Pak China context

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The solution to Kashmir problem does not lie in India, it lies in Pakistan. Junagarh was the reason which resulted in invasion of Neutral J&K even though Pakistan had also signed a Stand still Agreement with J&K just like India. The solution will also come from same part of India. Invade Pakistan or forget POK.

How does India invade a nuclear armed country and not get annihilated in return? Is Kashmir really that important?
 
The economy is the key. History tells us that nuclear armed nations can be defeated by economic collapse, and not by direct invasion.

USSR!? Direct Invasion will result in MAD. I believe until GCC have Petro $$$, Pakistani Economy might not collapse, as she will get some Package for doing their dirty work.

If Pakistan Implodes, India will have Hordes of Refugees. :(
 
How does India invade a nuclear armed country and not get annihilated in return? Is Kashmir really that important?


Sir. In the forum, everything is possible. Like our friends from across the border keep firing their nukes from Nasr missile every two minutes.
 
How does India invade a nuclear armed country and not get annihilated in return? Is Kashmir really that important?
India or US can invade Pakistan only during Political Rallies Or Online Stimulations. Status quo is the only option for both the nations, nothing else.
The economy is the key. History tells us that nuclear armed nations can be defeated by economic collapse, and not by direct invasion.
USSR!? Direct Invasion will result in MAD. I believe until GCC have Petro $$$, Pakistani Economy might not collapse, as she will get some Package for doing their dirty work.

If Pakistan Implodes, India will have Hordes of Refugees. :(
Most of them are not injected with hatred.. They involve in stone pelting because they get easy money. Its like the political parties here giving money to people for attending their party rallies and functions. Once the cash flow is stopped (which will be hard btw) these incidents will reduce!!

Mutually assured destruction is bullshit. There is nothing like that. You can watch YouTube to see the nuclear explosion power on brick house, wooden houses, pigs etc. Pigs even survived direct exposure to nukes with 3rd degree burn! But, the only reason to avoid war is that there has been significant prosperity and progress due to extraction of natural resources. Since natural resources are finite, it is advisable to postpone hostility after they run out so that the war need not be prolonged for too long.
 
Mutually assured destruction is bullshit. There is nothing like that. You can watch YouTube to see the nuclear explosion power on brick house, wooden houses, pigs etc. Pigs even survived direct exposure to nukes with 3rd degree burn! But, the only reason to avoid war is that there has been significant prosperity and progress due to extraction of natural resources. Since natural resources are finite, it is advisable to postpone hostility after they run out so that the war need not be prolonged for too long.

You should also watch YouTube Videos on Hiroshima and Nagasaki & check Nuclear Yield then & now!
 
You should also watch YouTube Videos on Hiroshima and Nagasaki & check Nuclear Yield then & now!

I have checked. The yield only generates shockwave which most modern buildings can withstand. I am also speaking of pigs test in H-bomb.

The cyclone in florida was thousand times stronger than the H-bomb. Also, missile launch can be detected and people can get 1 hour advanced warning
 
Mutually assured destruction is bullshit. There is nothing like that. You can watch YouTube to see the nuclear explosion power on brick house, wooden houses, pigs etc. Pigs even survived direct exposure to nukes with 3rd degree burn! But, the only reason to avoid war is that there has been significant prosperity and progress due to extraction of natural resources. Since natural resources are finite, it is advisable to postpone hostility after they run out so that the war need not be prolonged for too long.


Where did I talk about MAD?
 
I have checked. The yield only generates shockwave which most modern buildings can withstand. I am also speaking of pigs test in H-bomb.

The cyclone in florida was thousand times stronger than the H-bomb. Also, missile launch can be detected and people can get 1 hour advanced warning
Main bad effect is radioactivity.
Blast destroyed an area of some dozen km². Radioactivity spread its effects on thousandS km², and for centuries.

Hiroshima is a +/-20 kilo tons bomb. We are speaking of mega tons bombs (at least hundred Kt).
 
Main bad effect is radioactivity.
Blast destroyed an area of some dozen km². Radioactivity spread its effects on thousandS km², and for centuries.

Hiroshima is a +/-20 kilo tons bomb. We are speaking of mega tons bombs (at least hundred Kt).
The effect of radition is one of the biggest lies spread around by nuke powers. Hiroshima and Nagasaki both are vibrant cities for last over 70 years. The effect of a blast on ground is contained in a very small area while the blast in air above a height of one kilometer has minimum radiation fallouts with the entire area becoming safe for human population within 15 days.
 
Main bad effect is radioactivity.
Blast destroyed an area of some dozen km². Radioactivity spread its effects on thousandS km², and for centuries.

Hiroshima is a +/-20 kilo tons bomb. We are speaking of mega tons bombs (at least hundred Kt).

Radioactivity is also not that high. Just 1 second of explosion is insufficient to produce such great amount of radioactivity. Nuclear power plant is a different case as they have waste products of several years and have been undergoing fission for every second and hence has a lot of nuclear by product.

One must not bother much about such radioactivity. Here is a video of a direct exposure whereby a 2kT bomb is exploded right on the heads of 5 soldiers at a height of 3km without any protection -

They lived till their ripe old age
 
The effect of radition is one of the biggest lies spread around by nuke powers. Hiroshima and Nagasaki both are vibrant cities for last over 70 years. The effect of a blast on ground is contained in a very small area while the blast in air above a height of one kilometer has minimum radiation fallouts with the entire area becoming safe for human population within 15 days.
those bombs were small one (less than tactical bombs of thoday's one) and didn't detonate to the "proper" altitude : they prefered the blast and ball of fire intead of radiation (US lack of info of those, fortunately).
 
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Radioactivity is also not that high. Just 1 second of explosion is insufficient to produce such great amount of radioactivity. Nuclear power plant is a different case as they have waste products of several years and have been undergoing fission for every second and hence has a lot of nuclear by product.

One must not bother much about such radioactivity. Here is a video of a direct exposure whereby a 2kT bomb is exploded right on the heads of 5 soldiers at a height of 3km without any protection -

They lived till their ripe old age
2kt ? a pity.
At 3km height? Hiroshima bomb detonated at 600 meters I think.

NO COMPARISON POSSIBLE.
 
How does India invade a nuclear armed country and not get annihilated in return? Is Kashmir really that important?

Dear Sir, Simple. I will put it by numbers for your convenience. Just take me to be a green bhakt; it would break me to be taken as a saffron one.
  1. Dust work-station;
  2. Switch on mains power;
  3. Switch on voltage regulator;
  4. Switch on system;
  5. Enter password;
  6. Invoke browser of choice;
  7. Type in defence forum of choice; it will help to select one with a greater proportion of imbeciles than the norm;
  8. Type in your password;
  9. Select new thread;
  10. Type in that you will invade Pakistan (if Indian member) and mutter vaguely about the CSD, carefully omitting any expansion, and thereby hugely impressing newbies, or that you will invade India (if Pakistani member) and mutter vaguely about Ghazwa-e-Hind;
  11. Add a few lines, taking care to disparage any kaffir counter-comment by mentioning that kaffirs, on a Pakistani forum, should not comment on Islam;
  12. On an Indian forum, take care to mention that imitating Bharat Ratshit just shows how cheap and inferior Bharti Banias are, and do not forget to mention that they are dark, ugly and short, and equipped with 2.5" organs of reproduction.
  13. Rest from your labours.
 
Sir. In the forum, everything is possible. Like our friends from across the border keep firing their nukes from Nasr missile every two minutes.

Dear Sir,

The noises you are reacting to is due to an excessive intake of legumes, and are not nuclear explosions. Please look up the meaning of dal khore, and join the dots. Some distance is recommended.
 
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Dear Sir, Simple. I will put it by numbers for your convenience. Just take me to be a green bhakt; it would break me to be taken as a saffron one.
  1. Dust work-station;
  2. Switch on mains power;
  3. Switch on voltage regulator;
  4. Switch on system;
  5. Enter password;
  6. Invoke browser of choice;
  7. Type in defence forum of choice; it will help to select one with a greater proportion of imbeciles than the norm;
  8. Type in your password;
  9. Select new thread;
  10. Type in that you will invade Pakistan (if Indian member) and mutter vaguely about the CSD, carefully omitting any expansion, and thereby hugely impressing newbies, or that you will invade India (if Pakistani member) and mutter vaguely about Ghazwa-e-Hind;
  11. Add a few lines, taking care to disparage any kaffir counter-comment by mentioning that kaffirs, on a Pakistani forum, should not comment on Islam;
  12. On an Indian forum, take care to mention that imitating Bharat Ratshit just shows how cheap and inferior Bharti Banias are, and do not forget to mention that they are dark, ugly and short, and equipped with 2.5" organs of reproduction.
  13. Rest from your labours.

And here I thought I had left all that behind. :D