The significance of Arihant

Ashwin

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Wah, another great speculation.

Is it written somewhere? If so, where can I read it?
Longer range BMs with nukes are used against value targets, nothing else. Its like talking to a toddler.

Now hide behind something else.

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I was talking about you. And im speculating! :oops:

Also do you really think India will openly claim we are building a BMD network with imported systems? Of course, India is going to say the S-400 is for SAM role. That doesn't make the system BMD-incapable overnight.

Good Cheers, only Sancho can level with your intellectual.
 

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Longer range BMs with nukes are used against value targets, nothing else. Its like talking to a toddler.

MRBMs, even ICBMs, are used against any target, civilian or military, as long as its within minimum range.

I was talking about you. And im speculating :oops:

Good Cheers, only Sancho can level with your intellectual level.

Yawn.
 

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S-400 is a complete system which has missiles from short range to very long range. It even has missiles to protect its own assets. so this number of 6000 is on the lower side.
6000 missiles for how many firing trucks ? how many long range radars?
 

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6000 missiles for how many firing trucks ? how many long range radars?

All that's unknown as of now. I doubt most of that information is going to be released anyway. We can only speculate using existing Russian setup.

We are buying 5 regiments, which we can seculate has 10 battalions or 20 batteries at the bare minimum. Some Russian regiments have 3 battalions, but we will ignore that.

We can assume each battery has 4 trucks. And assuming each truck will carry 1 missile type, it can be mixed of course, that would mean each battery has 16 each of the 9M96 family along with 4 each of the 48N6 and 40N6, that will give us 40 ready to fire missiles. Let's also consider there's an equal amount as reload. So that makes 80. So if we have ordered 5 regiments worth, with 4 batteries in each regiment, then we will see 320 missiles in each regiment and 1600 missiles in all 5 regiments. The remaining 4400 are reserves. It's also likely there's at least 2 reloads available in the field, not 1. So it could be 2400 missiles in the field and 3600 in reserve.

Of course, due to the addition of 40N6, it's possible that each battery will have 6 launchers instead of 4. All speculation, but it should be very close to reality.

IAF doesn't use the regimental system though, only squadrons. Which means a battalion consisting of 2 batteries will be an IAF squadron. So the search radars and CPs may have to be reconfigured for such a system. I can't speculate how they will go about that though.
 
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@Ashwin

I was incorrect about the range of an AIP-equipped sub. It is quite a lot. Dunno by how much but it's a lot more than one without AIP.

So a Kilo class can last a few days underwater on batteries, and can have very low submerged range. But AIP can last many times longer in the same circumstance. It is enough to allow them to venture into the deep sea for extended periods.

So now you are free to build up on your theories of Pakistan building or procuring AIP-equipped SSBs. Perhaps NK's Gorae class.
 
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Pakistan building or procuring AIP-equipped SSBs. Perhaps NK's Gorae class.

May be because they are silent. An AIP equipped SSB with good ASW may be able to trace nuclear sub. Because nuclear subs require coolent to run into the reactor, and the pump and the vibration can be detected via hydrophones and sonar.
 

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May be because they are silent. An AIP equipped SSB with good ASW may be able to trace nuclear sub. Because nuclear subs require coolent to run into the reactor, and the pump and the vibration can be detected via hydrophones and sonar.

There's no point giving credence to any claim regarding noise. Nobody knows the truth and those who know won't tell.
 
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AIP equipped subs can remain underwater for extended periods at a very slow speed of 4-6kts. The moment they go to higher speeds, the AIP endurance reduces. So when we say that sub can remain dived for 2-3 weeks with AIP, it means the speed will be the speed at which it loiters underwater.
 

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May be because they are silent. An AIP equipped SSB with good ASW may be able to trace nuclear sub. Because nuclear subs require coolent to run into the reactor, and the pump and the vibration can be detected via hydrophones and sonar.
It is not always the case. The last french SSBN at very low speed (saying 3 to 5 knots) don't use pumps. The thermosyphon effect is enough at such low power.
Never forget that a GB SSBN and a French SSBN collide somewhere in the atlantic ocean some yars ago! They never heard the other despite being equipped wih first class passive sonar suite.
 

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AIP equipped subs can remain underwater for extended periods at a very slow speed of 4-6kts. The moment they go to higher speeds, the AIP endurance reduces. So when we say that sub can remain dived for 2-3 weeks with AIP, it means the speed will be the speed at which it loiters underwater.
4 knots is a perfect cruise speed for deterrence.
Remain 2 problems : how to go fastly to the deterrence patrol zone? (you need to stay away of your harbour) AND if detected, how to flee ?
 
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4 knots is a perfect cruise speed for deterrence.
Remain 2 problems : how to go fastly to the deterrence patrol zone? (you need to stay away of your harbour) AND if detected, how to flee ?
Normally DE subs use snorkeling to maintain high transit speeds and once in the patrol zone, they change over to AIP. But they continue to use snorkeling as and when possible to charge their batteries and preserve AIP fuel.
 

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Pakistan could theoretically do the same, its just not quite the same when their principle adversary is right next door. My point is that there are options that don't require large at sea patrols or deterrents. Rail garrisons, underground bunkers, large caliber guns, at-port delivery, diffused basing. Lots of options that don't require expensive SSBs or SSBNs.
Errr.... You know why Pakistan cann't do that? It has only these many ports. Mainly Krachi and Chinese port. Now if these ports and berths are hit with nukes to prevent a strike, that will not only kill these ports but also will prevent ANY further flow of goods into Pakistan. Bad choice.
 

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Errr.... You know why Pakistan cann't do that? It has only these many ports. Mainly Krachi and Chinese port. Now if these ports and berths are hit with nukes to prevent a strike, that will not only kill these ports but also will prevent ANY further flow of goods into Pakistan. Bad choice.
Just like u think their defence planners might have thought the same and might have plans...
 

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There's no point giving credence to any claim regarding noise. Nobody knows the truth and those who know won't tell.

Yeah because that's a pure experimental value. The sea temperature, weather above, the terrain below , water current all adds to echos, filtering an additive noise distortion it is a very complex procedure, echo generating decoys to suppress the movement becomes another headache. Different places different scenarios.