Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

_Anonymous_

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The Key word from IAF chief interview is " Production Model "

So the question is How many years for the Journey From
Prototype to Production Model

MK 1A took 6 years from 2016 to 2022 to become a Reality

As we have recently learned that One Prototype has begun Test Flying

Serial production of MK1A will begin in 2024
These additional prototypes - whether 2,3 or 4 were for speeding up the FOC by testing all those sub systems like avionics - AESA radar, EW suite, weapons integration, etc & sticking to the strict time schedule of 2028-29 thus avoiding the tedious trials the Mk1 underwent which was seemingly forever & interminable .

Where are those avionics? What will you do by producing those additional prototypes now?

As of now the ADA / HAL's time schedule which seems delayed by a year is to introduce 1 prototype of the Mk-2 in 2023 , complete taxi trials before moving to air trials by 2024. Whatever prototypes are planned would be post 2025 when they're achieved some validity of their design. What's the point in producing 3-4 prototypes now when neither your design is validated not the avionics ready?

Having Said that, the moves of the MoD GoI & IAF should be carefully watched. The projected T/L were very aggressive to begin with & left no room for error which isn't how these programs are typically run especially when you don't have an experienced technical consultant like KAI does LM which can greatly cut down the lead time for development.

Some slippages are par for the course except that production must commence by 2030. Anything beyond that would be delaying an already delayed product with a limited shelf life to begin with. Let's see what happens.
 

TARGET

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I wouldn't overestimate the jet. At the very least, the IAF expects M2000 level performance. If ADA overachieves that, it would be an achievement. It doesn't need to beat Gripen E or Rafale in a dog fight, it only has to be better than the F-16 and Chinese jets.
I'm hoping for a Rafale-like performance. we have to stop believing that foreign malls are superior to our own. We must make improvements and demonstrate our trust in the product's fit, finish, and material quality. After 2030, I expect we'll ban all aircraft imports.
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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These additional prototypes - whether 2,3 or 4 were for speeding up the FOC by testing all those sub systems like avionics - AESA radar, EW suite, weapons integration, etc & sticking to the strict time schedule of 2028-29 thus avoiding the tedious trials the Mk1 underwent which was seemingly forever & interminable .

Where are those avionics? What will you do by producing those additional prototypes now?

As of now the ADA / HAL's time schedule which seems delayed by a year is to introduce 1 prototype of the Mk-2 in 2023 , complete taxi trials before moving to air trials by 2024. Whatever prototypes are planned would be post 2025 when they're achieved some validity of their design. What's the point in producing 3-4 prototypes now when neither your design is validated not the avionics ready?

Having Said that, the moves of the MoD GoI & IAF should be carefully watched. The projected T/L were very aggressive to begin with & left no room for error which isn't how these programs are typically run especially when you don't have an experienced technical consultant like KAI does LM which can greatly cut down the lead time for development.

Some slippages are par for the course except that production must commence by 2030. Anything beyond that would be delaying an already delayed product with a limited shelf life to begin with. Let's see what happens.

Mirage 2000 , Mig 29 and Jaguar Airframes will all start dis integrating , in Mid Air , after 2030

Tejas MK 2 is a necessity or else buy More Sukhois and Rafales
 
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randomradio

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I'm hoping for a Rafale-like performance. we have to stop believing that foreign malls are superior to our own. We must make improvements and demonstrate our trust in the product's fit, finish, and material quality. After 2030, I expect we'll ban all aircraft imports.

It's impossible to get Rafale-like performance from a design that's older than the Rafale. The LCA is from the M2000 era. It has simply not been designed to that level. It will be a significant achievement just surpassing the M2000.

TEDBF is our Rafale-equivalent. Although it's not been aimed to get Rafale-like performance either, since it will come with folding wings.
 

TARGET

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Only way Amca can fly ahead of mk2 is through scaled down model, in unmanned version.

Seems like this independence day, we are in for feast of infos.
I don't think there is a timeline change for AMCA. If the MK2 is released in August as expected, AMCA will be introduced as planned. This will be proof that HAL can make products on schedule. We can therefore relax knowing that AMCA will be introduced as scheduled in 2024.