Tata to build military aircraft in India as it acquires IP rights

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The high-altitude, twin-engine aircraft, capable of playing multiple roles from signal intelligence to cross-border surveillance, is currently in the final stages of testing in Germany. It is likely to arrive in India in the next three months for further integration.


In a first for the industry, the Tata Group will develop and manufacture a military aircraft in India, having acquired intellectual property rights for a German-origin platform. The plan, ET has reliably learnt, is to integrate indigenous sensors and payloads to convert it into an intelligence gathering asset.

The high-altitude, twin-engine aircraft, capable of playing multiple roles from signal intelligence to cross-border surveillance, is currently in the final stages of testing in Germany. It is likely to arrive in India in the next three months for further integration.

This would be the first time that an Indian private entity is looking at making a full military-grade aircraft, which until now has been the domain of the state-owned HAL.
Tata Advanced Systems (TASL) will showcase the capabilities of the aircraft at the AeroIndia in Bengaluru next week. Though the company has not shared details of the design, the aircraft is likely to be based on the Grob G 180 SPn – a German-made jet that never reached serial production due to financial strains.

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TASL is yet to get any firm orders for the aircraft in India, but top executives say the investment has been done keeping in mind future requirements of the armed forces. A manufacturing plant will be set up for serial production in the future, they added.

The company sources said the aircraft it is developing is designed for flying at 41,000 feet altitude with a maximum altitude of 45,000 feet and can be used for intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) purposes. It is designed to land on grass and gravel. The low-wing, twin-engine composite aircraft is expected to have a range of 1800 nautical miles and 6-7 hours endurance with a payload capacity in excess of 1,000 kg.

“We are now focusing on modifying the aircraft to fit special payloads so that it can undertake a demonstration of surveillance capabilities. For a country like India, with multiple mountain ranges spread across the country, including on international borders, this capacity is extremely vital. India has been dependent on foreign suppliers to meet this need,” said Sukaran Singh, MD of TASL.

He added that acquiring such technology will enable India to modify and fit any payloads it wants within the country, reducing dependence on foreign suppliers. “With TASL bringing this aircraft technology to the table, India will have a cutting edge air-borne surveillance platform, with control over the software, customisation as well as maintenance, based within the country,” he said.

The need for effective border surveillance has been a focus after recent tensions with China in Ladakh.

 

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More the merrier. If the Netra Awacs package can be miniaturized, this would be a more cost-effective platform that can be fielded, not just for India but also for Export markets.
You've 3 planes of more or less the same configuration & carrying capacity in the market today. There's NAL Saras , HAL Dornier & now TATA's. How's it good for our nascent civilian aerospace that we've 3 similar planes. Conventional wisdom dictates TATA's would get the short shrift from the services & would have to market their jet as a private passenger carrier.
 
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More the merrier. If the Netra Awacs package can be miniaturized, this would be a more cost-effective platform that can be fielded, not just for India but also for Export markets.
This is proposed for SIGINT and COMJAM role.

It's impractical to miniature netra because of radar size. This Aircraft is too small.
 

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You've 3 planes of more or less the same configuration & carrying capacity in the market today. There's NAL Saras , HAL Dornier & now TATA's. How's it good for our nascent civilian aerospace that we've 3 similar planes. Conventional wisdom dictates TATA's would get the short shrift from the services & would have to market their jet as a private passenger carrier.
Sure..That is the beauty of the Private sector competing. If done right, Tata's offering has the potential to beat out an unproven NAL, and an inefficient HAL.
 
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The high-altitude, twin-engine aircraft, capable of playing multiple roles from signal intelligence to cross-border surveillance, is currently in the final stages of testing in Germany. It is likely to arrive in India in the next three months for further integration.


In a first for the industry, the Tata Group will develop and manufacture a military aircraft in India, having acquired intellectual property rights for a German-origin platform. The plan, ET has reliably learnt, is to integrate indigenous sensors and payloads to convert it into an intelligence gathering asset.

The high-altitude, twin-engine aircraft, capable of playing multiple roles from signal intelligence to cross-border surveillance, is currently in the final stages of testing in Germany. It is likely to arrive in India in the next three months for further integration.

This would be the first time that an Indian private entity is looking at making a full military-grade aircraft, which until now has been the domain of the state-owned HAL.
Tata Advanced Systems (TASL) will showcase the capabilities of the aircraft at the AeroIndia in Bengaluru next week. Though the company has not shared details of the design, the aircraft is likely to be based on the Grob G 180 SPn – a German-made jet that never reached serial production due to financial strains.

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TASL is yet to get any firm orders for the aircraft in India, but top executives say the investment has been done keeping in mind future requirements of the armed forces. A manufacturing plant will be set up for serial production in the future, they added.

The company sources said the aircraft it is developing is designed for flying at 41,000 feet altitude with a maximum altitude of 45,000 feet and can be used for intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) purposes. It is designed to land on grass and gravel. The low-wing, twin-engine composite aircraft is expected to have a range of 1800 nautical miles and 6-7 hours endurance with a payload capacity in excess of 1,000 kg.

“We are now focusing on modifying the aircraft to fit special payloads so that it can undertake a demonstration of surveillance capabilities. For a country like India, with multiple mountain ranges spread across the country, including on international borders, this capacity is extremely vital. India has been dependent on foreign suppliers to meet this need,” said Sukaran Singh, MD of TASL.

He added that acquiring such technology will enable India to modify and fit any payloads it wants within the country, reducing dependence on foreign suppliers. “With TASL bringing this aircraft technology to the table, India will have a cutting edge air-borne surveillance platform, with control over the software, customisation as well as maintenance, based within the country,” he said.

The need for effective border surveillance has been a focus after recent tensions with China in Ladakh.

great, I wish some Indian company had bid for embraer as well.

Its will be an easy sale in Pvt business jet market too. provided its a good design
Yeah we need to develop our civilian market, surviving on defence market for orders is going to be tough.

It's German engineering, what do you think. :)
yeah yeah everything phoren looks good, just ask volkswagen they will fix all the polluting cars with a simple software patch.
we need to stop perpetuating such myths.
 

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Better to put array on both sides of MKI :( (Su-57?)

Mind you this is an aircraft with MTOW of ~8 ton
As I have to get used to say with all the developments happening in India. More the merrier.
 
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Sure..That is the beauty of the Private sector competing. If done right, Tata's offering has the potential to beat out an unproven NAL, and an inefficient HAL.
I think we both know the answer to this. There's no way TATA's offering is going to get traction with the services. Not with Saras & Dornier around.
 
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Saras is at least 5 years away, it is indigenous, it has a probable orders, but it's not the obvious choice, it has been forced upon the services by govt.

Looking at the size of this aircraft, I don't know which surveillance equipment it can carry. It can never be fully equipped and will be restricted to limited area of operations. Or it may create a new requirement for the forces.
 

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Only difference I see here take off and landing in unpaved strips..

And almost similar in appearance to low wing saras 1 in pusher configuration.
? Jet engine / ? prop

Where saras moved on to high wing with turbo prop.
 

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It's German engineering, what do you think. :)
On 29 November 2006, the second prototype was destroyed by a crash that resulted in the death of chief test pilot Gerard Guillaumaud; it had been performing a demonstration flight at the time of the accident.[10] A subsequent investigation determined the primary cause of the accident was due to flutter in the elevators and tailplane.[11] Despite the accident, work continued on the production of a third prototype.[10] The crash impacted the company's certification timetable, which called for European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) type certification to be achieved during the first quarter of 2007.[5] During February 2007, following a three month break, flight testing resumed using the third prototype; by this point, certification was targeted for early 2008.[


Any Idea wheather the company has achieved EASA certificationor not ? because it is necessary for civilian market.
 

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On 29 November 2006, the second prototype was destroyed by a crash that resulted in the death of chief test pilot Gerard Guillaumaud; it had been performing a demonstration flight at the time of the accident.[10] A subsequent investigation determined the primary cause of the accident was due to flutter in the elevators and tailplane.[11] Despite the accident, work continued on the production of a third prototype.[10] The crash impacted the company's certification timetable, which called for European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) type certification to be achieved during the first quarter of 2007.[5] During February 2007, following a three month break, flight testing resumed using the third prototype; by this point, certification was targeted for early 2008.[


Any Idea wheather the company has achieved EASA certificationor not ? because it is necessary for civilian market.

Oh shit.. Same story like saras 1 ..
 
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