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French Frigate Languedoc Intercepts Yet Another Drone From Yemen​

The French ministry of the armed forces announced that French Navy (Marine Nationale) FREMM Frigate Languedoc intercepted another drone from Yemen. The Frigate was providing direct protection to M/T Strinda, a Norwegian-flagged tanker.

This is the third drone from Yemen that the French frigate intercepts since Sunday. The official statement reads:

On the evening of Monday, December 11, the oil tanker Strinda (Norwegian flag) was the victim of a complex air attack from Yemen causing a fire on board.

The FREMM Languedoc which was patrolling the area intercepted and destroyed a drone directly threatening the Strinda. The FREMM then placed itself in protection of the affected vessel, preventing the attempt to hijack the ship.

The fire on board the Strinda was brought under control. No injuries were reported. The USS Mason then escorted the Strinda to the Gulf of Aden out of the threat zone. FREMM Languedoc has resumed its patrol towards the North.

FREMM Languedoc has been involved in the Gulf of Aden and the southern Red Sea since December 8 in order to contribute to maritime security and the freedom of navigation of ships (around 20,000 commercial ships pass through this area each year ).



For the record, on December 9, the Languedoc Multi-Mission Frigate (FREMM) of the French Navy shot down two drones that were heading straight towards it, coming from the coast of Yemen.

French Minister of the Armed Forces, Sebastien Lecornu, yesterday confirmed that Languedoc used Aster 15 surface to air missiles to shoot down two drones off Yemen.

This interception by Languedoc is the latest in several incidents in the area. USNI News reported last week that guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) shot down a drone in the Red Sea on Wednesday, just days after USS Carney (DDG-64) downed three drones launched from Yemen. /end
 
The maps change several times daily, so yeah, they do.

Nope. It takes days for that map to update. They wait for Ukraine to publish their losses.

It's poetic justice. Russia created the Gaza War to distract from the Ukraine War, so I'm just reversing that distraction.

Lol. Russia has no influence on Hamas. In fact they are trying to do damage control in Syria 'cause of that.

French Frigate Languedoc Intercepts Yet Another Drone From Yemen​

The French ministry of the armed forces announced that French Navy (Marine Nationale) FREMM Frigate Languedoc intercepted another drone from Yemen. The Frigate was providing direct protection to M/T Strinda, a Norwegian-flagged tanker.

This is the third drone from Yemen that the French frigate intercepts since Sunday. The official statement reads:

On the evening of Monday, December 11, the oil tanker Strinda (Norwegian flag) was the victim of a complex air attack from Yemen causing a fire on board.

The FREMM Languedoc which was patrolling the area intercepted and destroyed a drone directly threatening the Strinda. The FREMM then placed itself in protection of the affected vessel, preventing the attempt to hijack the ship.

The fire on board the Strinda was brought under control. No injuries were reported. The USS Mason then escorted the Strinda to the Gulf of Aden out of the threat zone. FREMM Languedoc has resumed its patrol towards the North.

FREMM Languedoc has been involved in the Gulf of Aden and the southern Red Sea since December 8 in order to contribute to maritime security and the freedom of navigation of ships (around 20,000 commercial ships pass through this area each year ).



For the record, on December 9, the Languedoc Multi-Mission Frigate (FREMM) of the French Navy shot down two drones that were heading straight towards it, coming from the coast of Yemen.

French Minister of the Armed Forces, Sebastien Lecornu, yesterday confirmed that Languedoc used Aster 15 surface to air missiles to shoot down two drones off Yemen.

This interception by Languedoc is the latest in several incidents in the area. USNI News reported last week that guided-missile destroyer USS Mason (DDG-87) shot down a drone in the Red Sea on Wednesday, just days after USS Carney (DDG-64) downed three drones launched from Yemen. /end

Gotta bomb the Houthis. No one should be allowed to interfere in this war.
 
Nope. It takes days for that map to update. They wait for Ukraine to publish their losses.
I've seen several changes in one day.
Lol. Russia has no influence on Hamas. In fact they are trying to do damage control in Syria 'cause of that.
Yeah, sure that's why they made a $93m payment to them via Garantex just before the attacks.
Gotta bomb the Houthis. No one should be allowed to interfere in this war.
The Saudis were doing a great job until Germany/EU interrupted them.
 
I've seen several changes in one day.

I don't think you know this, but Russia's winter offensive started a month ago. And it's no surprise Western sources have stayed silent.

Pretty much the entire front has become active.

Yeah, sure that's why they made a $93m payment to them via Garantex just before the attacks.

Via Binance. So Russia and China are involved in crypto money laundering. Yeah, way to go, Sherlock.

The Saudis were doing a great job until Germany/EU interrupted them.

The Saudis are useless, gotta involve Western aircraft. USN and MN.
 
And why not Asian navies?
Transit through the Red Sea concerns the whole world.
Ps: the crew of the last cargo ship rescued was Indian.

Like who? China and India?

It's typically the owner of the ships that have to decide. They are attacking the Israeli flag, ie, Israeli territory, so Israel and its allies have to step in. If neutral countries attack Yemen, then they will become aggressors for no reason.
 
Like who? China and India?

It's typically the owner of the ships that have to decide. They are attacking the Israeli flag, ie, Israeli territory, so Israel and its allies have to step in. If neutral countries attack Yemen, then they will become aggressors for no reason.
If the Houthis continue to make this trade route more dangerous, then cargo insurance will increase, for all countries.
I wasn't thinking of bombing Yemen, which would be a very dangerous escalation. I was thinking more of an international AGENOR-type operation dedicated to the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden.
 
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If the Houthis continue to make this trade route more dangerous, then cargo insurance will increase, for all countries.
I wasn't thinking of bombing Yemen, which would be a very dangerous escalation. I was thinking more of an international AGENOR-type operation dedicated to the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden.

That requires negotiating with terrorists.

The West can afford the escalation, the Saudis and UAE are already bombing them.
 
That requires negotiating with terrorists.

The West can afford the escalation, the Saudis and UAE are already bombing them.
No, in fact there has been a truce between the Houthis/Iran and the KSA/UAE since the spring.
They are holding peace talks:

Yemen war: Saudi Arabia invites Houthi officials for talks to end conflict


The meeting will be mediated by Oman and aims to build on previous efforts to find a permanent solution to the conflict
(middleeasteye, sept15)

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All I'm proposing is a well-armed naval task force against air threats: drones, missiles to secure transit in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden.
 
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No, in fact there has been a truce between the Houthis/Iran and the KSA/UAE since the spring.
They are holding peace talks:

Yemen war: Saudi Arabia invites Houthi officials for talks to end conflict


The meeting will be mediated by Oman and aims to build on previous efforts to find a permanent solution to the conflict
(middleeasteye, sept15)

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All I'm proposing is a well-armed naval task force against air threats: drones, missiles to secure transit in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden.

Only a ceasefire, not a truce.

We can't do that 'cause both countries are effectively at undeclared war with each other. Protecting Israeli assets means we are participants as well. For example, even during WW2, the US entered the Battle of the Atlantic only in 1941, and 'cause the Germans were attacking American ships heading towards Africa. So they had not stepped in even when their own ships were being sunk on the way to Britain.
 
(…) The Ardmore Encounter Marshall Islands-flagged, according to The Associated Press. It is an oil tanker that was carrying Indian-produced jet fuel bound for the Netherlands with an option to Sweden, the company said in a statement. (…)

Houthi Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles Miss Tanker In Red Sea

(thedrive, dec.13)

A convoy system requires international mandate.

Another issue is the US is pushing a narrative that Iran's doing it, which requires participating countries to make a political stand.
 
I don't think you know this, but Russia's winter offensive started a month ago. And it's no surprise Western sources have stayed silent.

Pretty much the entire front has become active.
It started on October 1st.
Via Binance. So Russia and China are involved in crypto money laundering. Yeah, way to go, Sherlock.
Fact. Coinicidences follow Putin.
The Saudis are useless, gotta involve Western aircraft. USN and MN.
They were doing a good job. We should have let them continue in peace.
 
The Israeli army has discovered the largest Hamas tunnel under the Gaza Strip. The Older Forum says the tunnel is four kilometers long and the entrance is located just 400 meters from the Erez crossing, which Gaza residents use daily to enter Israel. It is worth noting that to create the tunnel, Hamas used a homemade roadheader. The dimensions of the underground structure make it possible to place civil and military cargo there, as well as a large number of people. The interior is equipped with ventilation, water and electricity.

 
The Israeli army has discovered the largest Hamas tunnel under the Gaza Strip. The Older Forum says the tunnel is four kilometers long and the entrance is located just 400 meters from the Erez crossing, which Gaza residents use daily to enter Israel. It is worth noting that to create the tunnel, Hamas used a homemade roadheader. The dimensions of the underground structure make it possible to place civil and military cargo there, as well as a large number of people. The interior is equipped with ventilation, water and electricity.

Every one can note that Hamas refused to use it to protect civilians....
 
(opex360 (fr), dec19)

Red Sea: France to take part in the Prosperity Guardian naval coalition launched by the United States

On 18 December, backed by Tehran and allied with Hamas, the Houthi rebels again claimed responsibility for two attacks on commercial vessels, the oil tanker M/V Swan Atlantic and the container ship MSC Clara, while they were sailing in the Red Sea. This time, the attacks were carried out using... "seaplanes". Surprising though it may be, this assertion is plausible given that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has such aircraft, in this case Bavar-2s, so-called ground effect aircraft [or Ekranoplanes], designed for "asymmetric" operations and capable of evading radar.

No details were given of the fate of the MSC Clara. However, according to its owner, the Norwegian Inventor Chemical Tankers, the M/V Swan Atlantic was hit by an "unidentified object", which caused "limited damage". Leaving Sète [France] with a cargo of vegetable oils, the ship was due to sail to Reunion Island. The attack on the vessel is a reminder of the importance of the Red Sea for French interests.

Indeed, two shipping routes of particular relevance to French interests pass through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. The first is the "Mediterranean/Indian Ocean" route, which is highly strategic for reasons of sovereignty as it serves Réunion. The second, known as the "Channel/Mediterranean/Indian Ocean/South China Sea" route, is, according to the French Ministry of Defence's Directorate General for International Relations and Strategy [DGRIS], "fundamental because of the importance of containerised traffic, which flows primarily from Asia-Pacific to France".

So Paris could not remain on the sidelines of the initiative prepared by Washington to guarantee maritime safety in the Red Sea, which the main shipowners [Maersk, Hapag-Lloyd AG and France's CMA-CGM] have said they want to avoid until further notice. Hence the French Navy's announced participation in Operation Prosperity Guardian, the details of which were set out by Lloyd Austin, the head of the Pentagon, in a press release issued on 18 December.

"The recent escalation of irresponsible Houthi attacks from Yemen threatens the free flow of commerce, endangers the lives of innocent mariners and violates international law. Countries seeking to uphold the fundamental principle of freedom of navigation must unite to meet the challenge posed by this non-state actor, which launches ballistic missiles and drones at merchant vessels from many countries legally transiting international waters. This is an international challenge that requires collective action. That is why today I am announcing the establishment of Operation Prosperity Guardian," said the US Secretary of Defence.

In practical terms, this new operation will come under the aegis of the Combined Maritime Forces (CMF), an international naval coalition led by the United States from Bahrain. The CMF comprises five naval forces [or Combined Task Forces], including CTF-153, which will lead Prosperity Guardian.

In addition to the United States and France, the coalition includes the United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain and the Seychelles. Germany has clearly decided not to get involved. Nor has Egypt, which is directly concerned by the impact of the situation in the Red Sea on traffic through the Suez Canal.

For the moment, details of the rules of engagement are not known. Given that nobody wants to take the risk of triggering a wider conflict with Iran, it is unlikely that direct operations against the Houthis in Yemen will be envisaged.

It remains to be seen whether French participation in Operation Prosperty Guardian will be the subject of a debate [without a vote] in Parliament, as provided for in Article 35 of the Constitution.

This article stipulates that the government must inform Parliament "of its decision to have the armed forces intervene abroad, no later than three days after the start of the intervention" and that it must "specify the objectives pursued". If the intervention lasts more than four months, the executive must submit its extension to Parliament for authorisation and may "ask the National Assembly to take the final decision".

Maritime safety in the Red Sea is not only affected by the Yemeni rebels. The phenomenon of piracy in the Gulf of Aden, which has been virtually non-existent for several years, seems to be reawakening, with several incidents recently reported by the European naval force Atalanta.

Last week, for the first time since 2017, a cargo ship - the M/V Ruen - was hijacked by unknown gunmen. According to the British company Ambrey, the ship was around nine nautical miles off Bander Murcaayo in Puntland [Somalia] on 17 December.

"When there is instability in Puntland, it is obvious that potential pirates or gangs have more room to operate. And Puntland has experienced a period of instability due to an electoral conflict [...]. [...] In addition, the Puntland Maritime Police Force, initially trained to fight piracy, has over the years become a generic security provider less focused on piracy", Nicolas Delaunay, Project Director for Eastern and Southern Africa at the International Crisis Group, told Reuters.
/deepl
 
(opex360 (fr), dec19)

Red Sea: France to take part in the Prosperity Guardian naval coalition launched by the United States

On 18 December, backed by Tehran and allied with Hamas, the Houthi rebels again claimed responsibility for two attacks on commercial vessels, the oil tanker M/V Swan Atlantic and the container ship MSC Clara, while they were sailing in the Red Sea. This time, the attacks were carried out using... "seaplanes". Surprising though it may be, this assertion is plausible given that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has such aircraft, in this case Bavar-2s, so-called ground effect aircraft [or Ekranoplanes], designed for "asymmetric" operations and capable of evading radar.

No details were given of the fate of the MSC Clara. However, according to its owner, the Norwegian Inventor Chemical Tankers, the M/V Swan Atlantic was hit by an "unidentified object", which caused "limited damage". Leaving Sète [France] with a cargo of vegetable oils, the ship was due to sail to Reunion Island. The attack on the vessel is a reminder of the importance of the Red Sea for French interests.

Indeed, two shipping routes of particular relevance to French interests pass through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. The first is the "Mediterranean/Indian Ocean" route, which is highly strategic for reasons of sovereignty as it serves Réunion. The second, known as the "Channel/Mediterranean/Indian Ocean/South China Sea" route, is, according to the French Ministry of Defence's Directorate General for International Relations and Strategy [DGRIS], "fundamental because of the importance of containerised traffic, which flows primarily from Asia-Pacific to France".

So Paris could not remain on the sidelines of the initiative prepared by Washington to guarantee maritime safety in the Red Sea, which the main shipowners [Maersk, Hapag-Lloyd AG and France's CMA-CGM] have said they want to avoid until further notice. Hence the French Navy's announced participation in Operation Prosperity Guardian, the details of which were set out by Lloyd Austin, the head of the Pentagon, in a press release issued on 18 December.

"The recent escalation of irresponsible Houthi attacks from Yemen threatens the free flow of commerce, endangers the lives of innocent mariners and violates international law. Countries seeking to uphold the fundamental principle of freedom of navigation must unite to meet the challenge posed by this non-state actor, which launches ballistic missiles and drones at merchant vessels from many countries legally transiting international waters. This is an international challenge that requires collective action. That is why today I am announcing the establishment of Operation Prosperity Guardian," said the US Secretary of Defence.

In practical terms, this new operation will come under the aegis of the Combined Maritime Forces (CMF), an international naval coalition led by the United States from Bahrain. The CMF comprises five naval forces [or Combined Task Forces], including CTF-153, which will lead Prosperity Guardian.

In addition to the United States and France, the coalition includes the United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain and the Seychelles. Germany has clearly decided not to get involved. Nor has Egypt, which is directly concerned by the impact of the situation in the Red Sea on traffic through the Suez Canal.

For the moment, details of the rules of engagement are not known. Given that nobody wants to take the risk of triggering a wider conflict with Iran, it is unlikely that direct operations against the Houthis in Yemen will be envisaged.

It remains to be seen whether French participation in Operation Prosperty Guardian will be the subject of a debate [without a vote] in Parliament, as provided for in Article 35 of the Constitution.

This article stipulates that the government must inform Parliament "of its decision to have the armed forces intervene abroad, no later than three days after the start of the intervention" and that it must "specify the objectives pursued". If the intervention lasts more than four months, the executive must submit its extension to Parliament for authorisation and may "ask the National Assembly to take the final decision".

Maritime safety in the Red Sea is not only affected by the Yemeni rebels. The phenomenon of piracy in the Gulf of Aden, which has been virtually non-existent for several years, seems to be reawakening, with several incidents recently reported by the European naval force Atalanta.

Last week, for the first time since 2017, a cargo ship - the M/V Ruen - was hijacked by unknown gunmen. According to the British company Ambrey, the ship was around nine nautical miles off Bander Murcaayo in Puntland [Somalia] on 17 December.

"When there is instability in Puntland, it is obvious that potential pirates or gangs have more room to operate. And Puntland has experienced a period of instability due to an electoral conflict [...]. [...] In addition, the Puntland Maritime Police Force, initially trained to fight piracy, has over the years become a generic security provider less focused on piracy", Nicolas Delaunay, Project Director for Eastern and Southern Africa at the International Crisis Group, told Reuters.
/deepl

Hope it's sustained enough that it gives their rivals an advantage.