"State Of War" Declared in Israel after coordinated attack by Hamas

The timing is no doubt at the behest of Iran and Russia. In a while people will complain of Israeli brutality, forget how it started and ignore the hostages taken by Hamas.
 
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Attack is likely an expression of hatred and desperation both. Islam is not known for its ability to coexist with other religions. On the other hand, Palestinians had been slowly squeezed by Israel, with Israel taking territory beyond what the UN mandate had given them. Yet even had Israel respected the mandate, Palestinians and other Arabs had made it clear that it is not the borders, but rather the continued existence of Israel, that they have problem with. Hamas at the very least does not want conflict resolution, as permanent state of war allows it to stay in power.
 
Terrorist attackers are not there to hold the position, they are there to irritate the opponent. Its sad to admit that Hamas is highly successful in this aspect today, they just did what Binladen did on sep 11.

This is not a terrorist attack. This is a coordimated effort to physically defeat the entirety of Israeli forces and 'win' over them. They have succesfully 'surprised' but I think Israel will retaliate 10 is to 1.
 
The timing is no doubt at the behest of Iran and Russia. In a while people will complain of Israeli brutality, forget how it started and ignore the hostages taken by Hamas.

More like the noose that controlled Iran has loosened a little.

This takes pressure off the Armenians, and puts both Turkey and Azerbaijan on the backfoot, 'cause Israel's gonna get really aggressive.
 
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I don't see how Hamas will have a competitive advantage in this. Launching a surprise attack is one thing, holding the territory is something else. I think israel will eventually win this and then get brutal in Gaza. Just speaking as I see it.
terrorists dont hold ground, all those terrorists who have done so in the past like LTTE..etc have lost. They are only good for hit & run attacks.
These are scare attacks to increase fear and stretch the opposing forces to the maximum extent. On the bargaining table they will have more psychological advantage to make more gains.
 
The timing is no doubt at the behest of Iran and Russia. In a while people will complain of Israeli brutality, forget how it started and ignore the hostages taken by Hamas.
yeah smart alec, remember US supplying weapons seized from iranian to ukraine. Serbia, gaza.....etc looks like US occupation with ukraine is giving others breathing space to make their moves.
 
Hit the nail on the head. Objective is to stop 'normalization' with arab states like Saudi. Now Israel will be forced to respond with brutality and none of the Arab states will have the public acceptance to recognize Israel.


 
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The timing is no doubt at the behest of Iran and Russia. In a while people will complain of Israeli brutality, forget how it started and ignore the hostages taken by Hamas.
Timing explained above. Stop Saudi/ ISrael deal.
 

Attack is likely an expression of hatred and desperation both. Islam is not known for its ability to coexist with other religions. On the other hand, Palestinians had been slowly squeezed by Israel, with Israel taking territory beyond what the UN mandate had given them. Yet even had Israel respected the mandate, Palestinians and other Arabs had made it clear that it is not the borders, but rather the continued existence of Israel, that they have problem with. Hamas at the very least does not want conflict resolution, as permanent state of war allows it to stay in power.
Israel cant survive for long they are living on borrowed time , may be another 2 or 3 decades before they get overrun. Its not just palestine , its the surrounding muslim states that will aid & abet this.

Wiping out hamas is not going to solve any thing, they will be just replaced by another bunch. One or other muslim state will support or create another terrorist outfit for geopolitical or internal political gains.
 
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Israel cant survive for long they are living on borrowed time , may be another 2 or 3 decades before they get overrun. Its not just palestine , its the surrounding muslim states that will aid & abet this.

Wiping out hamas is not going to solve any thing, they will be just replaced by another bunch. One or other muslim state will support or create another terrorist outfit for geopolitical or internal political gains.

The Israelis will just nuke all the Muslim cities.
 
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Israel and Palestinian Hamas began fighting. The situation in Israel turned into war, which was officially announced by the Israeli leadership and announced the mobilization of reservists. The Israeli Security Council has already approved the ground operation “Iron Swords” in the Gaza Strip and has begun striking it. By the evening of October 7, Palestinian Hamas units advanced 35-40 km from the GAZA strip. At the moment, the Palestinians control about 1.5 thousand square meters. km of Israeli territory. It is worth noting that where Hamas units were located, dozens of killed civilians were found. Women from young to old and men are captured and taken to Hamas-controlled territory. We cannot show this. Hamas captured Israeli strongholds with military equipment, several Merkava tanks, Ahzarit armored personnel carriers and other military equipment. In the morning, Israeli Major General Nimrod Aloni was captured, but Israeli authorities deny this. Now civilians are fleeing en masse from the area of military operations. An Islamic Jihad spokesman said the captured Israelis would be held until all Palestinian prisoners were released from Israeli prisons. Episodes of military operations between Israel and Palestinian Hamas are further in the video.

 
Hit the nail on the head. Objective is to stop 'normalization' with arab states like Saudi. Now Israel will be forced to respond with brutality and none of the Arab states will have the public acceptance to recognize Israel.



It will just move forward behind closed doors, ME countries aren't democracies after all.
 
The Israelis will just nuke all the Muslim cities.
nuke which city ? all the states will feign that they are not supporting any terrorists. More over its not its going to happen overnite , it is a proxy war of attrition. If israel threatens other muslim states they will also clamor for nukes like iran is doing.
 
In 2021 there was an "eleven day war" where 4000 plus rockets were launched in that period with vast majority of rockets being intercepted Hamas launched between 2-4 thousand rockets in one morning today while at the same time conducting major land, sea and air operations.... I guess what I'm trying to say is no way Israel did not know this was coming.

These are the same folks that have hunt down terrorist all over the world that have killed Israelis that's how good Israeli ISR is.

Israel has been going through a major political fight which has divided the nation while at the same time Iran becomes a bigger threat.

This hamas operation took months in the planning and major logistics to move forces and rockets into place for the attack which should have been easily picked up by Israel. Now you see Israeli political parties united and at the same time they are blaming Iran for this. Israel has the excuse to escalate the conflict to hezbollah and the excuse to strike Iran.

Hold on to your butts this war is about to get biblical.
 
In 2021 there was an "eleven day war" where 4000 plus rockets were launched in that period with vast majority of rockets being intercepted Hamas launched between 2-4 thousand rockets in one morning today while at the same time conducting major land, sea and air operations.... I guess what I'm trying to say is no way Israel did not know this was coming.

These are the same folks that have hunt down terrorist all over the world that have killed Israelis that's how good Israeli ISR is.

Israel has been going through a major political fight which has divided the nation while at the same time Iran becomes a bigger threat.

This hamas operation took months in the planning and major logistics to move forces and rockets into place for the attack which should have been easily picked up by Israel. Now you see Israeli political parties united and at the same time they are blaming Iran for this. Israel has the excuse to escalate the conflict to hezbollah and the excuse to strike Iran.

Hold on to your butts this war is about to get biblical.
Correct, the root cause is Israeli political instability. They were distracted. This attack simply destroys left in the political system now.