Lolwa

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The whole point of buying 7.62X51MM rifles is to not use them in CI/CT ops where spray and pray is needed, it was purchased as a direct reaction to the Pakistanis having a slight advantage on the LOC with their 7.62x51 G3s in terms of lethality and range. You have to remember the SIG is lighter than the INSAS and has future upgradability y when funds are available to mount Night Vision/Thermal/Flashlights/Optics vs an AK where you have little upgradability, less space to mount such accessories and you’ll have to end up splurgiing on FAB Defense Mod kits and bring the price to higher levels than the SIG. 7.62x39mm caliber is already beginning to get outdated in the global scheme of things.
7.62X51 also is useful in the mountains of LAC is used properly and definitely better than AKs 7.62x39mm there.
You have absolutely no proof that the DI Sig 716 is less reliable than an AK, I suggest you do not jump to such rash conclusions without any sort of proof. Modern American DI rifles have nearly caught upto the reliability levels of piston driven AR rifles and AKs.
Let's not forget sig 716i actually won some award in 2020 in the American civilian market.
SIG SAUER 716i TREAD Receives 2020 Ballistic Best Reader’s Choice Award for Best AR-10 Rifle
So its actually one of the best battle rifles in the American civilian market, shows how good the gun really is.
 

Gautam

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New Indian small arms company named "Malhotrasons Defence Private Limited" based in UP. The company was incorporated in 2016 according to their website.

About Malhotrasons Defence Private Limited

Their 1st product for the Indian market is a 0.45 cal pistol based in the M1911 design. The pistol is named MSD Gauardian1911. They are also working on a 0.30 cal pistol based on the Russian Tokarev TT-30. These pistols are going to be offered to the military & civilian markets.

You can see the 0.45 cal prototype in the video below. At the end of this video you can see the Webley WP30 0.32 cal pistol prototype. It is an original design by Webley India.


The domestic small arms scene is getting better. Not sure if the restrictions on civilian ownership of firearms will be lowered though. Here is a video of firing test from a month or so back.


The MSD Guardian1911 pistol looks close to being ready to be on sale. Here are a few variants on the pistol.


Build quality seems to be pretty good.
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AbRaj

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New Indian small arms company named "Malhotrasons Defence Private Limited" based in UP. The company was incorporated in 2016 according to their website.

About Malhotrasons Defence Private Limited

Their 1st product for the Indian market is a 0.45 cal pistol based in the M1911 design. The pistol is named MSD Gauardian1911. They are also working on a 0.30 cal pistol based on the Russian Tokarev TT-30. These pistols are going to be offered to the military & civilian markets.

You can see the 0.45 cal prototype in the video below. At the end of this video you can see the Webley WP30 0.32 cal pistol prototype. It is an original design by Webley India.


The domestic small arms scene is getting better. Not sure if the restrictions on civilian ownership of firearms will be lowered though. Here is a video of firing test from a month or so back.


The MSD Guardian1911 pistol looks close to being ready to be on sale. Here are a few variants on the pistol.


Build quality seems to be pretty good.
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Definitely a good looking pistol. Do they really have factory here or just importing some foreign white label product ?
 

Gautam

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Do they really have factory here or just importing some foreign white label product ?
100% of the pistol's manufacturing in done in their Meerut factory which is a part of the UP defence corridor. It is likely they import billets made of specialty steel from abroad for making their cold hammer forged barrels. That's largely because there aren't a lot of steel makers that make these billets in India & the ones that do are exclusive sold to the OFB & some other large pvt. defence companies like IWI-Punj Lloyd, L&T etc.
 

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My point was , when you(army) already have purchased a rifle specially designed to use accessories, why not use the essential accessories atleast. Otherwise just buy whatever crap ak47 copy OFB produces and spray bullets towards any direction you like. Why bear additional weight and cost of m-lok, p-rails etc when you are not going to use it anyway. AKs are much more reliable than DI716 anyway and are lighter too.
PS: Barebone Sig 716 looks atrocious. Also seeing soldiers fumbling with 3point slings looks bad.
Totally agree, Indian Army still lacks in equipping optics in their guns, all the rifles including AK 47, Tavor in the IA inventory should equip with some or other sights. Now with a long-range rifle like SIG 716 with sights, it will definitely add more advantages, we also need to provide proper training to our guys on optics uses,

 

AbRaj

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Totally agree, Indian Army still lacks in equipping optics in their guns, all the rifles including AK 47, Tavor in the IA inventory should equip with some or other sights. Now with a long-range rifle like SIG 716 with sights, it will definitely add more advantages, we also need to provide proper training to our guys on optics uses,

Even the soldiers are now complaining about the non availability of hand guards, reflex sights/scopes and other accessories, which are hindering proper and effective use of this modern (although DI) weapon system.
Just got to know it on DF I.