Rafale RB of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

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ok, I don't want to make this too hard. I'm not even asking the Rafale to carry 4x 2,000lb, like the F-35, with the 2 tanks. Lets use F4, is that picture 1,000kg, they look like 500kg.
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La Direction générale de l’armement (DGA) a réalisé du 26 au 29 avril 2021 à Istres la première campagne d’essais du Rafale au standard F4-1, placée sous la responsabilité du centre d’expertise DGA Essais en vol. Actuellement en cours de développement, le standard F4 apportera notamment la capacité viseur de casque, intégrera le Mica NG et la bombe AASM de 1000 kg. Il fera également entrer le Rafale dans l’ère du combat aérien collaboratif.
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From 26 to 29 April 2021, the French Defence Procurement Agency (DGA) carried out the first Rafale F4-1 standard test campaign at Istres, under the responsibility of the DGA flight test centre. Currently under development, the F4 standard will notably bring the helmet sight capability, integrate the Mica NG and the 1000 kg AASM bomb. It will also bring the Rafale into the era of collaborative air combat.

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France test 1,000kg version of HAMMER missile from Rafale


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Well I guess if we are going that far ahead. We should allow for the F-35's new engine. We can add 30% to range. But we will stick with fuel fraction for now.

The engine is still an issue for the Rafale with 55% availability. Posted on pprune
“Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021. The Mirage D availability, 32.4%"
 

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Well I guess if we are going that far ahead. We should allow for the F-35's new engine. We can add 30% to range. But we will stick with fuel fraction for now.

The engine is still an issue for the Rafale with 55% availability. Posted on pprune
“Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021. The Mirage D availability, 32.4%"

The availability issue is misunderstood. Rafale's low availability has nothing to do with technical or logistics reasons, it's deliberately kept low because only half the fleet is kept operational at any one time, the other half is stored away, and then they alternate the jets between the two.

Amongst the ones available, the availability rate is well over 95%.
 

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The availability issue is misunderstood. Rafale's low availability has nothing to do with technical or logistics reasons, it's deliberately kept low because only half the fleet is kept operational at any one time, the other half is stored away, and then they alternate the jets between the two.

Amongst the ones available, the availability rate is well over 95%.
And that's why we can offer used Rafales for export, we just have to increase the availability rate, temporarily, until new planes come to replace the ones we have sold.
 

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lol, you are both delusional bull sh't artists, but I'll let you tell your military and gov. they are wrong. They actually have half their fleet mothballed.

You have engine issues
You have operational support issues
You have operational technical availability issues.
" Mr. Ferrara. “Taking into account the issues related to the engine and the level of operational support [NSO], the operational technical availability [DTO] of the Rafale [air and navy] reached 55.8% in the first half of 2021"


Let's get back to the fuel fraction. I'm hoping you will be able to sell off your air refuelers.
 
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It seems they are being stripped for parts.
'And then there is the question of the number of planes that can be engaged ... Out of 102 Rafale available to the AAE in 2020, 14 were immobilized to be "cannibalized". With the Greek contract, 12 copies will be taken… And 12 more will also be taken if Croatia confirms its order for a second-hand Rafale.'


I guess you have 70% of your Mirage fleet in mothballs too?

'The situation of the Mirage 2000 is no better, in particular because of "many difficulties linked to the obsolescence of parts, in particular at the level of the radar hull". The Mirage 2000D availability rate was therefore “32.4% in the first half of 2021'
 
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The availability issue is misunderstood. Rafale's low availability has nothing to do with technical or logistics reasons, it's deliberately kept low because only half the fleet is kept operational at any one time, the other half is stored away, and then they alternate the jets between the two.

Amongst the ones available, the availability rate is well over 95%.
Riiight. :ROFLMAO:

Whatever helps you feel better... btw you have a source backing up your claim?
 

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Dassault Aviation used ‘bogus invoices’ to pay middleman to secure Rafale deal with India: Report

French aviation firm Dassault allegedly paid at least 7.5 million euros (equivalent to almost Rs 650 million) to a middleman to secure the sale of Rafale fighter aircrafts to the Indian government .. Indian investigating agencies had access to the documentary evidence of the money trail linking the manufacturers of Rafale jet and alleged middleman Sushen Gupta since October 2018

\/ no wonder India paid nearly twice as much as a F-35

2016 NDA Rafale deal breakdown:

-Unit cost (36 F3+* RafalesX$105m*) $3.8b
-IAF specific enhancements ** ( including improved hot an high performance, integration of Israeli systems and weapons) $2b

Weapons (including SCALP ALCM and METEOR BVRAAM) $1.2b
-Base costs (creating world class base level maintenance operations and state of the art climate controlled hardened air shelters) $2b

Total: approx. $9b (or €7.9b or Rs59,630 crore as we know the deal was valued at in 2016).

Lol. Was Dassault really concern their fighter could lose to the F-18E even though IAF has never had US fighters?

Come to think of it Dassault had every right to be concern their fighter would lose the F-18E blk 3 is better than the french plane and cheaper. :)
 

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Lol. Was Dassault really concern their fighter could lose to the F-18E even though IAF has never had US fighters?

Come to think of it Dassault had every right to be concern their fighter would lose the F-18E blk 3 is better than the french plane and cheaper. :)
Not defending Dassault here but to be clear, this report is related to the cancelled MMRCA deal. And the middleman who took the bribe is in prison for his involvement in multiple frauds including AW-VVIP Chopper deal.
Also it’s not verified yet.
 

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Riiight. :ROFLMAO:

Whatever helps you feel better... btw you have a source backing up your claim?
MCO : Dassault Aviation veut encore faire mieux

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MCO: Dassault Aviation wants to do better
On 17 October 2020


The implementation of the verticalization of the Rafale MCO has enabled Dassault, the DMAé and the Forces to ensure a better than expected availability of combat aircraft.

The Dassault Rafale in the hands of RAVEL

The progress report drawn up by the Minister of the Armed Forces, Florence Parly, on the reform of the maintenance in operational condition (MCO) of the Forces' equipment is an opportunity for Dassault Aviation to underline that the implementation of the verticalization of the MCO of the Air Force's Rafale fighter aircraft has made it possible to ensure an availability of 76% of the Rafales, better than the 73% planned by the contract known as Ravel. To this contract, which has been in place for 18 months, has just been added the contract for the ATL2 maritime surveillance aircraft.

A digital tool to come

Dassault Aviation announces that "the quality of this service will be further improved over time, as planned, notably with the implementation of an information system built in cooperation with the operational staff by Dassault Aviation; a tool that relies on Dassault Systèmes' expertise in data management/analysis and that will be based on its Cloud technology and its EXALEAD software".

The DMAé's permanent physical platform

In the interview granted to Air & Cosmos by the director of the DMAé, senior engineer general Monique Legrand-Larroche, (see the special MCO issue of 18 September 2020), she indicated that the first returns from the Ravel contract were "positive since the number of aircraft awaiting decision has been reduced by two". And to underline the efficiency of the "permanent plateau model" set up for the MCO of the Airbus A400M but also of the Dassault Rafale.


The pbl contract for the 36 Indian Rafales guarantees 75% availability, i.e. if at any time there are less than 27 aircraft available Dassault will incur penalties.

To avoid this event, Dassault's objective is to ensure 90% availability. And the experience of the Indians so far is that the 90% has been assured. It is in view of this result that the Indians have said that one squadron of Rafale can fly as many missions as 2.5 squadrons of SU-30 MKI.

For me this is a clear sign of satisfaction.

To day the Rafale disponibility in France is 76 % (Full mission capable) but it can be increased if needed. For exemple we reach 97% on the Charle de Gaulle Carrier.
 

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Riiight. :ROFLMAO:

Whatever helps you feel better... btw you have a source backing up your claim?

Rafale doesn't have scheduled maintenance, which results in extremely high availability. It's almost always near 100%.

Sources are in French, I don't have any. As per the French senate, the Rafale's availability was 97% for operational jets when information was released quite a few years ago.

Standard availability should be above 70%.


Lol. Was Dassault really concern their fighter could lose to the F-18E even though IAF has never had US fighters?

Come to think of it Dassault had every right to be concern their fighter would lose the F-18E blk 3 is better than the french plane and cheaper. :)

The deal the article quotes was MMRCA, it was cancelled.
 

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It’s essentially a one turn fighter similar to M2000. A wrong 1st turn and you are screwed.
no M2000 was never shooted in air to air combat.
Or it is because they always are flown by ace pilots, or because they are able to be agile for more than one single turn. ;)
 

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Not defending Dassault here but to be clear, this report is related to the cancelled MMRCA deal. And the middleman who took the bribe is in prison for his involvement in multiple frauds including AW-VVIP Chopper deal.
Also it’s not verified yet.
It's not just not verified yet, it's also completely bogus. They've been grasping at the flimsiest straws to try to find some shade to throw, and when you look at what they've "found" it mostly shows they're desperate.
French portal Mediapart publishes yet another dubious report on Rafale
 

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no M2000 was never shooted in air to air combat.
Or it is because they always are flown by ace pilots, or because they are able to be agile for more than one single turn. ;)
Oh, by ‘One Turn Fighter’, I don’t mean that It will get shot down after 1st turn. It was, and to an extent still is a very potent fourth gen fighter with capable radar,sensor package, EWS, has modern avionics and weapons package that is good enough to kill lots of Fighters with better Flight characteristics.