Rafale RB of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

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Here is a Finnish article on Rafale and HX:


I try to add a direct link to a google translation, let's see if it works:


The Rafale is offering many things that are not related to direct combat. But the only thing that should matter to Finland is combat capabilities, particularly air defence. If the F-35 has superior capabilities in this role, then it should be a no-brainer decision.
 

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We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..
 

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We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..

The Su-57 is far more capable than the F-35. Its stealth is also more or less competitive with it. Like comparing a Mig-29 with an F-16. It's "not as stealthy as the F-35" comment is misunderstood by a huge margin. The difference is very easily in the lower single digits. Simply put neither the F-22 nor the F-35 have any tactical advantage over the Su-57 based on stealth alone.

Tranche 1 Typhoons are pathetic. That's really the reason they are getting rid of it. Only Tranche 3 and higher are worthy of mentioning. Also, it can't replace the Mig-21, not made for such a role for our geography.
 

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We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..

In our first tranche of Rafale deal close 50 ℅ of the cost is spent for things other than the aircraft itself.

Europe itself trying to get rid of tranche 1 EFT.

Countries operating EFT is not showing interest.

Supposing we are using at tranche 1 level, we also had to retire at some point. Where the personnel trained would be wasted for short term gains.

Mig 21 shelters in forward bases cannot house EFT.



If we have buy anything second hand, it has to be something on our inventory already.. Otherwise it ll become expensive.

If at all we should order another 2 squads of tejas mk1A if ADA delayed Mk2 program.

Or If hal delayed Mk1 A, Ada should handover mk2 production to private sector.
 

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The Su-57 is far more capable than the F-35. Its stealth is also more or less competitive with it. Like comparing a Mig-29 with an F-16. It's "not as stealthy as the F-35" comment is misunderstood by a huge margin. The difference is very easily in the lower single digits. Simply put neither the F-22 nor the F-35 have any tactical advantage over the Su-57 based on stealth alone.

Tranche 1 Typhoons are pathetic. That's really the reason they are getting rid of it. Only Tranche 3 and higher are worthy of mentioning. Also, it can't replace the Mig-21, not made for such a role for our geography.
But they are designed for QRA's. They can most probably be integrated with meteors and already use the amraam. They can do a far better job at defending our airspace compared to mig 21,mig 29 and even su 30 mki because of the size of captor M and it's sophistication..Heck all of Pakistan f16's will be negated at a fraction of the cost we will have to spend and in a very quick time they will delivered..
 

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But they are designed for QRA's. They can most probably be integrated with meteors and already use the amraam. They can do a far better job at defending our airspace compared to mig 21,mig 29 and even su 30 mki because of the size of captor M and it's sophistication..Heck all of Pakistan f16's will be negated at a fraction of the cost we will have to spend and in a very quick time they will delivered..

Due to the proximity of our enemies, we need single-engine jets for QRA due to their shorter scramble time.

Are you sure you wanna pay huge sums of money for a technology that's already outdated? The only good thing about the Tranche 1 is its performance. Everything else is not worth any amount of money, not even if it's free, 'cause we can't afford the upkeep, and we definitely cannot afford the upgrade either.

And when multiple air forces are getting rid of a jet before its time, you can be sure that there are problems with said jet. The Austrians want to get rid of it, and so do the Germans and Brits. Hell, according to the Austrians, they find it cheaper to just buy a new jet instead of paying for the maintenance of the Typhoon. And even they are looking for a single-engine jet that actually meets more robust QRA requirements.

Our main QRA jets will be LCA and Mig-29, with the LCA Mk2 replacing the Migs in the future. Also a detachment or two of M2000s until the LCAs come in.
 
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Greece increases the number of Rafale type warplanes to 24

Mitsotakis spoke at the opening of the International Thessaloniki Fair, where the Prime Minister traditionally evaluates the previous year and announces the economic plan for the next year.

Arguing that Athens carried out an active diplomacy and increased its defense power against the national problems encountered last year, Prime Minister Mitsotakis reminded that he announced that 18 Rafale-type fighter jets will be purchased last year, and noted that this number will increase to 24 in the near future.
 

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We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..
The countries with no threat from it's neighbours is retiring an aircraft,only because of its technical edge lost compares to current varients of the same . Now you want India to purchase that obsolete aircraft variant, India is a country now actively engaging two nuclear powers over a disputed boundary since long,one being a world superpower
 

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Last month (28/8/21), Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kadhimi met with French President Emmanuel Macron on the sidelines of the Baghdad Conference for Cooperation and Partnership.

PM Al-Kadhimi and President Macron are said to have discussed the Iraqi-French military relations, particularly Iraq’s procurement of Rafale fighter jets.
 

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We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..
Where is MMRCA2 ?
We will be getting 12 mki's and 21 UPG's.
Then most probably the deal for 36 extra Rafale will happen. Along with 123 tejas. So atleast 200 fighters are being procured and under negotiations.
Then possibly the MMRCA with 114 rafales. Mk 2 will enter production around 2026-2027 all things considered. And we have no fifth gen aircraft in sight. The f35 is a non-starter. The su 57 is not capable enough
If we want to make up our fleet immediately still getting the eurofighter tranche 1 from Austria and U.K wouldn't be a bad idea where we could add atleast 45-50 fighters to replace our mig 21 bisons. The only problem is lack of upgradeability, infrastructure and high life cycle costs. But getting them will solve a huge problem since they can do air superiority and air defence roles much better than our mig 29 and mig 21's. The typhoons have a lot of airframe life even though training the troops will take time but still much better than using the bisons and they can do air superiority roles. And better us getting hands on them than the Pakistanis or any other player. The typhoon might cost less than 1.5 billion dollar which will give us a pretty immediate boost. And can be inducted within a year. With training and upgrading them with BNET and integrating other Israeli sub systems..
Once Rafale is inducted, no need of EF2000. Sole exception : Qatar, for politic reasons.
Rafale F3R is able to make all the EF2000 job. The contrary is not true.
 

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Where is MMRCA2 ?

Once Rafale is inducted, no need of EF2000. Sole exception : Qatar, for politic reasons.
Rafale F3R is able to make all the EF2000 job. The contrary is not true.
The MMRCA 2 is in limbo. I hope we get the f4's fast and start producing them better yet we join hands with the French and do further joint development of the Rafale for the f5 and f6 but in its present situation and our useless bureaucracy I'm not seeing the MMRCA coming true. Also the American angle is also there and the caatsa thing which might result in us giving the super hornet/f15 the deal if the Americans coerce us. Or it can be scrapped entirely and g2g be done for 36-54 more rafales.
 
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The MMRCA 2 is in limbo. I hope we get the f4's fast and start producing them better yet we join hands with the French and do further joint development of the Rafale for the f5 and f6 but in its present situation and our useless bureaucracy I'm not seeing the MMRCA coming true. Also the American angle is also there and the caatsa thing which might result in us giving the super hornet/f15 the deal if the Americans coerce us. Or it can be scrapped entirely and g2g be done for 36-54 more rafales.

The Americans can't coerce us using crap though. Did you forget how they failed to dislodge the S-400 even after offering the PAC-3 and THAAD?
 
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