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Punjab minister flips coin to decide on posting of lecturers

A Punjab minister took to flipping a coin to decide on the posting of a lecturer, prompting the opposition parties to demand that he be removed from the ministry.

The incident was caught on cameras and aired by television news channels.

However, Technical Education Minister Charanjit Singh Channi maintained that he did "nothing wrong", while claiming that the postings of lecturers were done "on merit" and in a "transparent" manner.

The incident took place yesterday when the minister had called 37 lecturers, who were recently recruited through the Punjab Public Service Commission (PPSC) examination, for giving them their posting orders.

Two lecturers -- one from Nabha and another from Patiala -- wanted to be posted to a government polytechnic institute at Patiala. In order to resolve the issue, Channi decided to toss a coin.

An official spokesman of the department said both the candidates were vying for the same post and while one of them said his scores were better than the other, the other one said he was more experienced.



"Both of them wanted to be posted at the same place and their merit was also equal. They proposed tossing a coin to decide the matter. Nothing wrong has happened and no illegality has taken place. Everything was done on merit and in a transparent manner," Channi told reporters here today.

He added that the postings were given to the candidates as per their choice of places.

"During the previous (SAD-BJP) regime, the postings used to be sold and corruption was rampant. I broke that nexus," the minister claimed.

The spokesman claimed that the minister's intention was to allot the postings in a "transparent" manner and blamed the media for creating an unnecessary controversy.

Meanwhile, opposition parties Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) and BJP lashed out Channi.

"A minister has to maintain the decorum of the ministerial berth which Channi has failed to do by deciding an official matter through tossing a coin. He has brought embarrassment to the government and he should be dropped from the ministry before he indulges in more such acts," said state BJP secretary Vineet Joshi.

SAD spokesman and former minister Daljit Singh Cheema said flipping a coin by the minister showed how serious the Amarinder Singh-led Congress government was regarding governance in Punjab.

"It seems that the ministers are just passing time and enjoying their ministerial berths," he added.
 

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The decision was taken after BJP's national president Amit Shah called an urgent meeting with the party's senior leaders and ministers in J&K
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The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has decided to pull out of the alliance with the People’s Democratic Party (PDP) in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K).

Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti also submitted her resignation to the Governor shortly after BJP announced withdrawal of support.

The BJP decision was taken as the "situation worsened in the state" and the relationship with the PDP became "untenable", said national general secretary Ram Madhav.

Speaking at a press conference at the party headquarters in Delhi, Madhav said the decision to withdraw support was taken as “it became untenable for BJP to continue in alliance with PDP in Jammu & Kashmir”.

“Keeping in mind the larger interest of India's security and integrity, the fact is that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India, and in order to control the situation prevailing in the state, we have decided that the rein of power in the state be handed over to the Governor,” Madhav said.

Madhav said “terrorism, violence and radicalisation has increased in the Valley”.

Speaking about the recent murder of senior journalist and Rising Kashmir editor Shujaat Bukhari, Madhav said “fundamental rights have come under threat in the Valley”.

The BJP sought Governor’s rule in the state to "stabilise and improve" the situation in the state.

The two parties had together held power in the India’s northern-most state since 2014.

Madhav said the BJP had decided to support the PDP in 2014 after the Assembly election delivered a fractured mandate and added that the BJP had received support in the Jammu region while voters had voted for the PDP in the Kashmir Valley.

Madhav said the party had spoken to deputy chief minister Kavinder Gupta, who belongs to the BJP, along with other leaders of the party before taking the final call.

J&K’s deputy chief minister said BJP ministers had already submitted their resignation to Governor Narinder Nath Vohra.

BJP pulls out of alliance with PDP in J&K, CM Mehbooba Mufti resigns
 

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BJP pulls out of alliance with PDP in J&K, CM Mehbooba Mufti resigns


The timing of this move is most curious . Although , relations were strained , there was little to no indication that things have reached breaking point . I'm beginning to suspect some larger game's afoot .

Perhaps the assassination of Shujaat Bukhari was the last straw. In order to prop up a moderate lobby , Delhi seems to be under the impression that the seccesionist lobby needs to be tied down or at worst neutralised. The PDP wouldn't allow such a move while in power. Hence the snapping of ties. Kashmir is in for tough days .
 

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BJP pulls out of alliance with PDP in J&K, CM Mehbooba Mufti resigns


The timing of this move is most curious . Although , relations were strained , there was little to no indication that things have reached breaking point . I'm beginning to suspect some larger game's afoot .

Perhaps the assassination of Shujaat Bukhari was the last straw. In order to prop up a moderate lobby , Delhi seems to be under the impression that the seccesionist lobby needs to be tied down or at worst neutralised. The PDP wouldn't allow such a move while in power. Hence the snapping of ties. Kashmir is in for tough days .
I see a much bigger picture. I cud be wrong. I had hinted about it long back and also given this very time frame about it.
 

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BJP pulls out of alliance with PDP in J&K, CM Mehbooba Mufti resigns


The timing of this move is most curious . Although , relations were strained , there was little to no indication that things have reached breaking point . I'm beginning to suspect some larger game's afoot .

Perhaps the assassination of Shujaat Bukhari was the last straw. In order to prop up a moderate lobby , Delhi seems to be under the impression that the seccesionist lobby needs to be tied down or at worst neutralised. The PDP wouldn't allow such a move while in power. Hence the snapping of ties. Kashmir is in for tough days .
Nice. now I see. Its getting interesting.
 

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No guarantee you wishes would come true . Read my post before yours.
My opinion is somewhat partially syncing with reason 1 & 4. This situation opens a door for unlimited opportunities and possibilities. BJP just hijacked the constitution of J&K for 6 months. And the timing seems too perfect.
 
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Can you please post the text here, I am facing some issue with link.
The only legitimate question that can be asked of a moribund alliance lying in a coma at the intensive care unit is this: What motivated the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to pull the life support plug now? There are five reasons why the BJP was finally compelled to dismantle the untenable alliance.

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1. Differences over extension of non-initiation of combat operations
The BJP, under pressure from Peoples Development Party (PDP), had half-heartedly agreed to it as part of coalition compulsion but it eventually came to a conclusion it may have to pay a steep political price for extending it and the cost might have a spillover effect nationally in an election season.
The party was also mindful that as a tactical gesture, it may have had limited success for PDP but it sullied BJP's image of a nationalist party that brooks no compromise with separatist elements. An extension would have dealt a further blow to BJP's image and voter base.
Conversely, the PDP was keen to ensure an extension because the Indian Army's search and cordon operation was squeezing further its already perilous political space. A strong local component in separatist violence meant that many neutralised terrorists were locals and with each killing of a terrorist or their civilian aides, the PDP government was experiencing further and further erosion of its voter base.
2. Dramatic escalation of conflict in self-interests
The self-interests of two "allies" were juxtaposed in such a way that both parties were pulling in opposite directions. While BJP's state leaders and workers were in favour of a strong response against terrorists and backed Indian Army's 'flush-out' operations, Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Mehbooba Mufti was finding it increasingly difficult to cope with the resentment and adopt a counter-narrative.
Under the circumstances, Mufti did what she had to. The decision to postpone the search and cordon operations was taken at her behest. It was aimed at generating a political breather for BJP and creating an atmosphere where talks with separatists might be carried out. The BJP was not at all averse to the idea and dropped large hints that it is ready to talk to anyone, including the Hurriyat as a first step towards initiating a peace process.
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3. The murders of Bukhari and Aurangzeb
This is where Mufti's carefully laid plan was sabotaged by the terrorists. By killing a high-profile target such as Sujaat Bukhari and Rashtriya Rifles jawan Aurangzeb, the terrorists wanted to disrupt the momentum generated by the non-initiation of combat operations (NICO).
The cynical plan of the disruptors was incumbent on the calculation that the murder of a noted journalist — an independent voice of peace in the Valley — will transcend geographical space, gain national and international attention and cause widespread condemnation. Amid the monotony of everyday violence, the terrorists needed to raise the bar to create talking points.
Equally, the kidnap and murder of a jawan was planned to sow dissent within the armed forces (that never supported the plan) and show BJP in poor light among its base. These pincer movements, the attackers hoped, would put enormous pressure on Centre and compel it to cancel any idea of extension leading to a strain in the alliance. Once the brutal murders took place, the wheels of the alliance came off.
4. Amarnath Yatra
If refusal to extend NICO was the immediate trigger, Amarnath Yatra was the main reason that caused the split. It would have been an enormous risk for the BJP to extend it and hope that terrorists won't conduct an operation similar to the one carried out on 10 July, 2017. It not only hampers search and cordon operations, it also places restrictions on forces' ability to gather intelligence on movement of terrorists. Obviously, it had to go. But that is only one part of the problem.
Even if the forces resume their hot pursuit of terrorists to dominate and sanitise the route, a civil administration that may resent the preemptive steps taken by forces presents yet another, and possibly bigger risk. It was inevitable therefore that the alliance would collapse and Governor's Rule will be imposed. The immediate fallout of the breaking of ruling coalition will be on the security situation in the Valley. It is likely that security forces will now launch renewed search and cordon operations without being subjected to the ambiguities of political will.
5. An attempt to cut losses ahead of 2019
Breaking the alliance was the only legitimate move in a toxic climate where radicalism is riding pillion on separatism in the Valley. The BJP could sense that the only way for Valley-based parties like PDP — which unlike the saffron unit has no national base — to survive is by adopting a shade of separatism that is just a bit softer than the secessionist narrative in the troubled state. BJP's move can therefore be termed as an attempt to cut its losses and consolidate its power in the Hindu-dominated Jammu region.

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My opinion is somewhat partially syncing with reason 1 & 4. This situation opens a door for unlimited opportunities and possibilities. BJP just hijacked the constitution of J&K for 6 months. And the timing seems too perfect.

oh yesss....unlimited opportunities because of new coup by BJP....wowwww!!!!
 

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Yeah, The Polluters are only Hindutva Bigots. And this problem was created by Hindutva Bigots, you see Non Hidutvavadis are walking waste treatment plant and air purifiers.

Perhaps. A good example ... The Ganga has turned into a giant sewer because of pakistanis and non-hindus.
 

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Kashmir remark: Soz may face disciplinary action in Congress
Despite Congress distancing itself from his comments on Kashmiris "preferring" independence, party leader Saifuddin Soz offered more free-wheeling commentary about armed forces being able to only temporarily subdue the community which would emerge invincible.

Soz demanded that the Centre start a political dialogue with Hurriyat separatists to bring about "dignified peace". While his previous remark - "Musharraf was correct that if given a choice, Kashmiris would prefer independence" - engulfed Congress in controversy and saw the party rejecting it as a "cheap gimmick" to sell a book Soz has written, the leader persisted, saying Kashmiris would prefer freedom and added "it was not possible".

Soz's comments as well as those of leader of opposition in Rajya Sabha Ghulam Nabi Azad who claimed that army operations kill more civilians in J&K than terrorists continue to rankle Congress over the political impact of these remarks by senior party functionaries in the heartland.

Party sources said Soz is likely to be asked about his comments after his book is released on Monday. J&K Congress chief Ghulam Ahmed Mir is likely to entrust the book to a body of experts to scan observations made and then take up any divergence with the party stand, and disciplinary action may follow.

Sources said AICC general secretary in-charge Ambika Soni spoke to Soz, who reportedly told her that whatever he was saying is in his "personal capacity". However, party managers concede that such nuances will not buffer Congress from political damage. It is to be seen if Congress can act against Soz since it could hurt the party in the valley. Significantly, Congress expects Azad to clarify his remarks about anti-terror operations in which he used the word "massacre" for the forces. "He is out on a family trip and once back, we expect him to address the issue," a party leader said.

Soz told TOI, "A non-paper (unofficial) on this is available with government for years. The Vajpayee government invited Musharraf for talks. Later, then PM Manmohan Singh was about to go to Pakistan but he could not because of violence in Pakistan. Dignified peace will only come through a vigorous process. The dialogue cannot be held through agencies but only through a political person, like PM."
Kashmir remark: Soz may face disciplinary action in Congress - Times of India
Let me very blunt, we are seeing this in national media channels now that because only there is chance that it will hurt Congress surely. Otherwise they anyway don't care much.