New Single-Engine Russian Fighter Unveiled

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With 180KN engines, it's in the same class as the MSA.

It could weigh the same as the Rafale empty though. If they increase the thrust a bit more, it could easily compete with the AMCA as well.

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With 180KN engines, it's in the same class as the MSA.

It could weigh the same as the Rafale empty though. If they increase the thrust a bit more, it could easily compete with the AMCA as well.

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It will have only One Engine

The Good thing is that it will be ready
Before AMCA , so we can also buy it
 

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It will have only One Engine

The Good thing is that it will be ready
Before AMCA , so we can also buy it
Yup unless they find milk cow to fund the development.
With 180KN engines, it's in the same class as the MSA.

It could weigh the same as the Rafale empty though. If they increase the thrust a bit more, it could easily compete with the AMCA as well.

@vstol Jockey
Let's hope MWF and amca won't be derailed.
 
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It will have only One Engine

The Good thing is that it will be ready
Before AMCA , so we can also buy it

I don't think it will become available in a realistic enough timeframe for the IAF to show interest in it. We could have signed the MRFA contract by then, while in the middle of taking deliveries of LCA Mk2 and MKI MLU. The Su-57 will also be a lot more mature in comparison by then.

A bigger large scale export prospect is Iran. They may want to manufacture jets of this type a decade down the line, once they fix their economy and get rich. The other option being Vietnam.
 

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I don't think it will become available in a realistic enough timeframe for the IAF to show interest in it. We could have signed the MRFA contract by then, while in the middle of taking deliveries of LCA Mk2 and MKI MLU. The Su-57 will also be a lot more mature in comparison by then.

A bigger large scale export prospect is Iran. They may want to manufacture jets of this type a decade down the line, once they fix their economy and get rich. The other option being Vietnam.

The Russians have realised that
A Twin Engined Su 57 is less Stealthy

So now they are going for something
Similar to F 35

Our AMCA will be delayed As Usual

So we need something to take care of your personal Favorite the J 20 🤣
 

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The Russians have realised that
A Twin Engined Su 57 is less Stealthy

So now they are going for something
Similar to F 35

Our AMCA will be delayed As Usual

This single engine jet is meant for export.

Also, the Su-57 is a very stealthy aircraft. You need to stop believing western media reports about it.

So we need something to take care of your personal Favorite the J 20 🤣

A J-20 competitor is needed from 2023 until 2030. This jet won't be ready and will likely not be competitive enough either.

In order to compete with the J-20, we need a large aircraft, something that's not constrained by size and power limitations like the Rafale. A larger aircraft will be able to keep up with the J-20 because it can accept bigger, bulkier electronics, but the Rafale needs technology to mature a lot before it can be used. It's the reason why even older tech radars like the Irbis on Su-35 can outrange the AESA radar on the Rafale. It's the same reason why desktops will always be more powerful than laptops. This new aircraft will suffer from the same problem as the Rafale.

The J-20 could already be flying with GaN, and the Rafale will match that only after 2027. By then, the Chinese may introduce a J-20D with even more advanced tech. So this will keep the Rafale behind the J-20 perpetually. Especially so when we consider the Rafale F3R is not competitive, as determined by the Swiss evals. The Chinese are progressing far too quickly for European tech to compete anymore.
Let's hope MWF and amca won't be derailed.

I doubt the Mk2 will, since it's merely a modified Mk1, but the risk with AMCA will always be there. Especially on the engine front.
 
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The inlet design looks very different. If you recall, with the inlet on the Mig-21 being in front of the cockpit, it allows the airmen to start the engine before the pilot is even in the cockpit and helps save a lot of time before takeoff. This aircraft has the same advantage.
 
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I expect it to be about 22 tons MTOW with empty weight of about 9.5 tons.

They said something about the takeoff weight being 18T or less, although that's not MTOW. It appears to have the same dimensions as the F-35A, given the scale of the people around the jet, but thinner. So we may be talking about at least a 6-7T fuel capacity.

There's a possibility that this fighter can be developed into a loyal wingman as well.

Anyway, Russia's total stealth programs have climbed to 5 now: Su-57, S-70, PAK DA, Mig-LMFS and Su-XX. Apart from the 7th(?) gen Mig-XX.
 

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It will have only One Engine

The Good thing is that it will be ready
Before AMCA , so we can also buy it
If PAK DP comes to a reality, then we should go for PAK DP, not this one. This one Russians are showing now is equivalent to j31 i beleive, an aircraft oriented for export market only.
 

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They said something about the takeoff weight being 18T or less, although that's not MTOW. It appears to have the same dimensions as the F-35A, given the scale of the people around the jet, but thinner. So we may be talking about at least a 6-7T fuel capacity.

There's a possibility that this fighter can be developed into a loyal wingman as well.

Anyway, Russia's total stealth programs have climbed to 5 now: Su-57, S-70, PAK DA, Mig-LMFS and Su-XX. Apart from the 7th(?) gen Mig-XX.
Which engine will power this aircraft? Al41f1( 93 dry and 147 wet)?