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Stupid Discussion like we wuz this & that in past & present in this thread is the reason we need proper education reform in this country.
 
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Stup Discussion like we wuz this & that in past & present in this thread is the reason we need proper education reform in this country.
The Whole.thing started with the Relevnce of Sanskrit

When more and more Children need to learn English , they are talking of Sanskrit

Knowing English makes you More CURIOUS about what is.going on in the Entire world

Curiosity leads to A Quest for KNOWLEDGE which obviously leads to success and achievements

Sanskrit is a Dead End
 

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The Whole.thing started with the Relevnce of Sanskrit

When more and more Children need to learn English , they are talking of Sanskrit

Knowing English makes you More CURIOUS about what is.going on in the Entire world

Curiosity leads to A Quest for KNOWLEDGE which obviously leads to success and achievements

Sanskrit is a Dead End
English is good for communication but wont solve our problem, it has become a massive divisive factor instead of uniting one....from class divide & increase inferiority complex among who can not speak it & who can.....japnese, korean, german ,french, russians are all doing fine & they don't speak English. This English is legacy of British past, time to get rid of it. India need to build its own internet & other online entertainment stuff in long run. It will help everyone.
 
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English is good for communication but wont solve our problem, it has become a massive divisive factor instead of uniting one....from class divide & increase inferiority complex among who can not speak it & who can.....japnese, korean, german ,french, russians are all doing fine & they don't speak English. This English is legacy of British past, time to get rid of it. India need to build its own internet & other online entertainment stuff in long run. It will help everyone.
What you are suggesting will take atleast 20
Years to materialize

Meanwhile as incomes increase , Middle Class people Want their Children to learn English and Know English

English has Acquired a Mass and Momentum which cannot be stopped

For Private Sector jobs , knowing
Some Basic English is a must .

This fact is known to everybody
 

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The Whole.thing started with the Relevnce of Sanskrit

When more and more Children need to learn English , they are talking of Sanskrit

Knowing English makes you More CURIOUS about what is.going on in the Entire world

Curiosity leads to A Quest for KNOWLEDGE which obviously leads to success and achievements

Sanskrit is a Dead End
Indian achievements in mathematics, science and technology in the last 100 years of knowing the mighty english language is a very pathetic and a poor show compared to what our non english speaking ancestors achieved at that time in mathematics ,science and technology.

Japanese Koreans Russians Chinese will all disagree with you . Mental slaves without pride of ownership will always end up as english educated fools , which we have become .

ad hominem arguments which which you give at regular basis don't hold much water , if at all. Actually it's funny and shows your cognitive bias.

Anyways I am out of this discussion . No point in back and forth .

I hope your kids learn Sanskrit and give you a heart attack . I wish them luck and my best wishes.
 
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Periyaar started this shit about Dravidian identity which was non existent. He furthered the cause of British by blaming Brahmins for creating caste system. We never had caste system. Even Manusmritu was modified by the British as they used the power of printing press to insert a false narrative for Indian masses by distributing a doctored document. They are doing it even today thru missionaries who are usurping our religious symbols by converting them to christian symbols.
In my earlier posts I told you the meaning of the word DRAVID from which DRAVIDIAN has been deduced. None of you have contradicted it. Now tell me how is Tamil and Dravid same and why are we mixing all other states of the south India with idiots from Tamilnadu? If I know it well, even Malayalis, Kannadigas and Telagus hate Tamils.
Only Dravid I know scored more than 10000 runs in test and ODI's. That is my knowledge of dravid.

Caste system that you touched upon, I am not sure of what your experiences are, but I know that lower caste's in India are quite severely discriminated against -especially in the rural and semi rural areas.

I don't get what all this has to do with the topic at hand, All I want to see is a credit-based course syllabus for higher education, more emphasis on calculus from at an early age, introducing Matlab, or equivalent mathematical solvers.

South Indians hating tamils is quite a preposterous statement to me. I will not hate a community period. Why would anyone hate all tamils, I have friends in all communities that have come across, I would never hold any such ridiculous stereotypes against anyone in person, that is such a weird thing to do.

This has nothing to do with you particularly, but for everyone reading this in general, just be nice to others, don't let your prejudices come in way of appreciating other people, make as many friends as you can in this lifetime, life eventually is short, don't waste it hate for others.
 

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To those who still suck up to western validation

One of the hundreds of proof of ancient Indian supremacy in science and technology .

From a museum in Australia

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2000 years plastic surgery technique invented by ancient Indians adopted by the so called superior west " allied surgeons " during World war 1 and continued till date .

Another example

The Fibonacci series

In his book "Liber Abaci" Fibonacci himself credited the said series to indian mathematicians and named it as " Indian series " but the dishonest and plagiarist Europeans overlooked it and named it as Fibonacci series .


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Another example

Damascus steel has nothing to with Damascus , it's original name is hinduwani , hindvi steel etc , it was made from imported Indian ingots. And the technique to make the steel was also taken from India. In those times there was a common Persian phrase – to give an "Indian answer", meaning "a cut with an Indian sword".

Another example

The largest number used in 5-4th century BC in india was a staggering 10 to the power 400000000000000000 scale and the smallest to 1/1,000,0000 of a second. Rest of the world could barely count to 10.


Another example

Hindu numericals were named as AL HIND ( hindu ) numericals by Arab mathematicians who copied it.

Hindu numericals which the Europeans named as arabic numericals which the Arabs copied but to their credit named it as al hind ( hindu ) numericals originally, which the Europeans again as usual overlooked .


Hatred and misplaced prejudice against Indian achievements is because a section of so called Indians educated by prejudiced western sources have nothing of their own to show for , except pander to their western overlords to stay relevant or hang onto the prejudices to cater for own shallowness and irrelevant existence.
These are quite interesting.

What I am curious about is quite simple.

When some tech is discovered in India , How is it lost so easily. Like if Rhinoplasty was invented in India, how the process documentation, commercial application etc disappear then onwards.

Like say if Flintlock muskets were first introduced in Europe in the 1500s, i don't recall the exact year, but then it did not just disappear, It made it's a progression into breach loaders, revolving rifles, to repeaters, to full auto's you see today; similarly, once antibiotics were discovered they did not disappear from the civilization for the next 2000 years.

So why did Rhinoplasty in India disappear, why didn't that technology gets commercialised and continued being practised, I mean this is India we are talking about, a large % of us could use a nose job.
 
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Sir , I Respect you very Much

I want to stop this discussion

We can agree to Disagree

Let us just say we made Too many mistakes , Socio Political mistakes that caused our Subjugation.

What really hurts me is.that Even After losing Sindh , Punjab , Afghanistan in a Few Centuries and seeing the Repeated attacks on Somnath , WHY INDIAN Society and Rulers could NOT understand the nature of the threat
And bring about certain Reforms


When Islam was expanding in Europe
And had Reached Spain , and the Arabs had stopped Their Land trading routes
The Same Europeans overcame All their Social and Political weaknesses and went on to Conquer the WORLD

Muslims still Regret how.their Defeat
In Spain slowly and ultimately led to the Supremacy of Europe over Caliphate and the Victory of Christians
Over Muslims

Whereas we Hindus COULD NOT even
Salvage the Remaining part of our Country

The Blame must be Accepted by Brahmins and Kshatriyas --- BOTH
Good, atleast we got quota of something.
Veryy niceee.

You reminded me an incident last year when a quota-dhari ‘bob’ joked about Churchill telling Americans to drop few Brahmins to the Japan ( instead of wasting Nukes).
The Whole.thing started with the Relevnce of Sanskrit

When more and more Children need to learn English , they are talking of Sanskrit

Knowing English makes you More CURIOUS about what is.going on in the Entire world

Curiosity leads to A Quest for KNOWLEDGE which obviously leads to success and achievements

Sanskrit is a Dead End
Yyinglissh is musst for barin develoment.
 
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Education is directly linked to Economic.
Growth

On one hand we are trying all tricks to.attract FDI and.then. will they not
Ask.for.Qualified , Educated workforce

Similarly We want Indian Companies to grow Bigger and compete worldwide

And how will.they do it without
An educated workforce

Science , Engineering , Law , Medicine , Commerce -- all.require English
Knowledge
 

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These are quite interesting.

What I am curious about is quite simple.

When some tech is discovered in India , How is it lost so easily. Like if Rhinoplasty was invested in India, how the process documentation, commercial application etc disappear then onwards.

Like say if Flintlock muskets were first introduced in Europe in the 1500s, i don't recall the exact year, but then it did not just disappear, It made it's a progression into breach loaders, revolving rifles, to repeaters, to full auto's you see today; similarly, once antibiotics were discovered they did not disappear from the civilization for the next 2000 years.

So why did Rhinoplasty in India disappear, why didn't that technology gets commercialised and continued being practised, I mean this is India we are talking about, a large % of us could use a nose job.
IMO same reason why roman empire vanished or Egypt became an third rate Islamic state
 
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IMO same reason why roman empire vanished or Egypt became an third rate Islamic state
Roman Empire and Greek Civilization
Did not disappear completely.

They just were cut down to Size

Today' s Greece and Italy were the Heart of the earlier empires and civilization

And Islam wiped out not just
The Civilization in Egypt but Entire Middle East , Iran, Afghanistan
And ofcourse our friendly neighbor Pakistan
 

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Roman Empire and Greek Civilization
Did not disappear completely.

They just were cut down to Size

Today' s Greece and Italy were the Heart of the earlier empires and civilization

And Islam wiped out not just
The Civilization in Egypt but Entire Middle East , Iran, Afghanistan
And ofcourse our friendly neighbor Pakistan
Same story as India. We cut down to size.
Once upon a time these civilisations were center of every innovation be it medical or engineering. Looke at now where the land of Horus and Charaka/Sushruta stands.

We got defeated by barbarians/sand monkies and later the orange baboons from a tiny island/islands.
 
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Anyway the subject of a common link language, though importent but is made complicated by politics. IMO its not a pressing matter and should be left alone for people to come on a common ground.
Imposing any language(specially Hindi) will be counterproductive. Let the Yinglissh rule the subcontinent for few more decades. Its not that hard anyway.

We have a lot to improve in education system. And govt must focus on that.
 

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There are records of whole Battles being fought on foot by full plate armoured knights alone without any bodyguards in medieval Europe For e.g battle of Agincourt was fought by heavy knights on foot with support from archers along with heavy mounted knights in flanks....you may have probably seen it in movie adaptation like the king ( Netflix). Most of the battle details were inaccurate in movie but the battle did happen.


It's good that you mention Agincourt. The battle of Agincourt itself was won by the English on account of their archers - the longbowmen. They could shoot further than the French. Going by your assertions these heavily armoured knights were invincible given that their armour was impenetrable. How do you explain the French casualties & defeat then ? It seems to me your knowledge of such battles is derived mostly from it's depictions on films as Netflix which you yourself admit is fanciful & far from the truth.


Yes you are right & you are wrong here. But we are not discussing tactics here but technology. that armour was designed to deflect all type of hand held weapons an enemy soldier can use , it covers all week points in body. no such innovation in east, middle east & south Asia. Why war torn societies like india, east didn't invoate but relied on technology from abroad like plate armour, chain mail. these were basics. all medieval armour technology revolution & refinement has roots in Europe.
Tactics are as much a function of an army's skillsets as they are of the prevalent technology of the day. Afghan chroniclers have recorded the Maratha footsoldiers in the 3rd Battle of Panipat to have fought the war only in their panchas ( loincloth) & nothing else by way of armour.

They lost the war & nobody blamed it on the lack of armour on the part of the ordinary foot soldier as that's how the ordinary Marathas & the Sikh soldier always fought. The ordinary Sikh soldier was known as Bhurianwale ( literally Blanket man - you ought to look it up ) for execept for their kacha & pagdi they wore only a blanket across themselves to protect themselves from the elements then . Yet the Marathas using those very footsoldiers conquered the better part of Mainland India by the mid 18th century ( read up on the Battle of Palkhed & why Field Marshall Montgomery - the CnC of the allied troops in WW-2 considered it one of the best examples of strategic mobility) & the Sikhs did likewise to dominate in the Punjab before the consolidation by Maharaja Ranjit Singh into the Khalsa Durbar.

Armours, etc were deemed essential to the Turks, Europeans, etc as they faced a paucity of fighting men always & hence the need to protect them. India never faced such a paucity ever. Let's not forget that the Mughals followed by the British achieved most of their conquests in India using local foot soldiers under their supervision & training.

Yes, we lacked technology brought out most clearly in the 1st Battle of Panipat where artillery was used for the first time in a war on the sub contintent or later in the mid 18th century where modern fire arms & tactics surrounding it won the Europeans their conquests in the sub continent.

Yet that wasn't the only reason why the British prevailed in India for by the time of Mahadji Scindia or even the Khalsa Durbar, Indian troops has imbibed all the latest in terms of arms, artillery & tactics that the Europeans had mastered by employing such mercenaries to train local forces & set up foundries & factories to cast such cannons & build the latest guns respectively.
 
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please enough with this number system this number system that. Congratulation on inventing number system, must baloon our chest for 1 Minuit until you see around & realise all modern mathematics, scientific advancement is due to Europeans including rafale lol......even before 300 years they were kings, from time of Greeks , continued by romans....just a small e.g

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There is no equivalent of this armoured knight around the globe in medieval times. It may look simple but this can withstand a crossbow shot from point blank range. It's designed specifically to counter all threat's from swords to crossbow. nothing like this in subcontinent or even in east.
Funny isn't it that this quality of armour couldn't stop them from invading hordes of Mongols to wreck havoc on Majority European mainland. They couldn't even handle the Ottoman's who were truly dominating the world at that time. Europeans only got ahead post the age of exploration before that they were not even close to the power of any other giants in Eurasia. It's tbe western propaganda you have drank to think that Europeans were ahead. The fact remains that before the 1700's Europe had nothing to offer much when it came to products or technology..
 

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Roman Empire and Greek Civilization
Did not disappear completely.

They just were cut down to Size

Today' s Greece and Italy were the Heart of the earlier empires and civilization

And Islam wiped out not just
The Civilization in Egypt but Entire Middle East , Iran, Afghanistan
And ofcourse our friendly neighbor Pakistan
So did the Indian civilisation. And as much as people show pride in roman and Greek civilisation it's literally nothing of that. You worship an abrahamic god that came from the deserts of the middle East. You do not follow the logic of your ancestral religions. You follow a one dimensional logical system that had literally taken Europe to the dark ages up until the Renaissance happened which resulted in the rejection of the Christian god and the first seed of atheism was born. There is nothing of the original Rome or Greece you have that you guys keep claiming to be part of your civilisation. The only rome is the Byzantium empire that itself is a dead cause. In case of India we have experienced a devolution and still survived against two abrahamic religions and the only nation in the world to survive two clash of the civilisations when they were at the peak of there power or reaching it..
 

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It's good that you mention Agincourt. The battle of Agincourt itself was won by the English on account of their archers - the longbowmen. They could shoot further than the French. Going by your assertions these heavily armoured knights were invincible given that their armour was impenetrable. How do you explain the French casualties & defeat then ? It seems to me your knowledge of such battles is derived mostly from it's depictions on films as Netflix which you yourself admit is fanciful & far from the truth.



Tactics are as much a function of an army's skillsets as they are of the prevalent technology of the day. Afghan chroniclers have recorded the Maratha footsoldiers in the 3rd Battle of Panipat to have fought the war only in their panchas ( loincloth) & nothing else by way of armour.

They lost the war & nobody blamed it on the lack of armour on the part of the ordinary foot soldier as that's how the ordinary Marathas & the Sikh soldier always fought. The ordinary Sikh soldier was known as Bhurianwale ( literally Blanket man - you ought to look it up ) for execept for their kacha & pagdi they wore only a blanket across themselves to protect themselves from the elements then . Yet the Marathas using those very footsoldiers conquered the better part of Mainland India by the mid 18th century ( read up on the Battle of Palkhed & why Field Marshall Montgomery - the CnC of the allied troops in WW-2 considered it one of the best examples of strategic mobility) & the Sikhs did likewise to dominate in the Punjab before the consolidation by Maharaja Ranjit Singh into the Khalsa Durbar.

Armours, etc were deemed essential to the Turks, Europeans, etc as they faced a paucity of fighting men always & hence the need to protect them. India never faced such a paucity ever. Let's not forget that the Mughals followed by the British achieved most of their conquests in India using local foot soldiers under their supervision & training.

Yes, we lacked technology brought out most clearly in the 1st Battle of Panipat where artillery was used for the first time in a war on the sub contintent or later in the mid 18th century where modern fire arms & tactics surrounding it won the Europeans their conquests in the sub continent.

Yet that wasn't the only reason why the British prevailed in India for by the time of Mahadji Scindia or even the Khalsa Durbar, Indian troops has imbibed all the latest in terms of arms, artillery & tactics that the Europeans had mastered by employing such mercenaries to train local forces & set up foundries & factories to cast such cannons & build the latest guns respectively.
archer didn't won the battle, yes they did played a key role but it all came down to hand to hand combat in the end.
. Going by your assertions these heavily armoured knights were invincible given that their armour was impenetrable. How do you explain the French casualties & defeat then ?
Have you ever read how that battle unfolded in first place ? terrain, English tactics played a major role during battle that's why french lost.....but this thread is not about battle tactics, but armour so here some remark from historians on battle.
.longbows' main influence on the battle at this point was injuries to horses: armoured only on the head, many horses would have become dangerously out of control when struck in the back or flank from the high-elevation, long-range shots used as the charge started
Those archers were mostly effective against non armoured body areas or very light armoured infantry. French cavalry face the brunt cause the horses despite being armoured had weak non covered spots.
. The plate armour of the French men-at-arms allowed them to close the 1,000 yards or so to the English lines while being under what the French monk of Saint Denis described as "a terrifying hail of arrow shot". A complete coat of plate was considered such good protection that shields were generally not used
. Modern historians are divided on how effective the longbows would have been against plate armour of the time. Modern test and contemporary accounts conclude that arrows could not penetrate the better quality steel armour, which became available to knights and men-at-arms of fairly modest means by the middle of the 14th century, but could penetrate the poorer quality wrought iron armour.
. Rogers suggested that the longbow could penetrate a wrought iron breastplate at short range and penetrate the thinner armour on the limbs even at 220 yards (200 m). He considered a knight in the best-quality steel armour invulnerable to an arrow on the breastplate or top of the helmet, but vulnerable to shots hitting the limbs, particularly at close range
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Tactics are as much a function of an army's skillsets as they are of the prevalent technology of the day. Afghan chroniclers have recorded the Maratha footsoldiers in the 3rd Battle of Panipat to have fought the war only in their panchas ( loincloth) & nothing else by way of armour.

They lost the war & nobody blamed it on the lack of armour on the part of the ordinary foot soldier as that's how the ordinary Marathas & the Sikh soldier always fought. The ordinary Sikh soldier was known as Bhurianwale ( literally Blanket man - you ought to look it up ) for execept for their kacha & pagdi they wore only a blanket across themselves to protect themselves from the elements then . Yet the Marathas using those very footsoldiers conquered the better part of Mainland India by the mid 18th century ( read up on the Battle of Palkhed & why Field Marshall Montgomery - the CnC of the allied troops in WW-2 considered it one of the best examples of strategic mobility) & the Sikhs did likewise to dominate in the Punjab before the consolidation by Maharaja Ranjit Singh into the Khalsa Durbar.
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You are again going on with tactics, mobility.... we are talking about technology superiority here. it's like comparing a horseman with a sword going up against a soldier with gun on foot & we all know how it turned out for the horseman.
 

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Funny isn't it that this quality of armour couldn't stop them from invading hordes of Mongols to wreck havoc on Majority European mainland. They couldn't even handle the Ottoman's who were truly dominating the world at that time. Europeans only got ahead post the age of exploration before that they were not even close to the power of any other giants in Eurasia. It's tbe western propaganda you have drank to think that Europeans were ahead. The fact remains that before the 1700's Europe had nothing to offer much when it came to products or technology..
Mongol did had heavy cavalry lancers not as heavy as European but these types of European body armour are from late medieval times after Mongol empire was dead. Mongol relied heavily on hit & run feigned retreat tactics & NO.... a mounted Mongol archer can not penetrate this armour,even crossbow can't.
 

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Mongol did had heavy cavalry lancers not as heavy as European but these types of European body armour are from late medieval times after Mongol empire was dead. Mongol relied heavily on hit & run feigned retreat tactics & NO.... a mounted Mongol archer can not penetrate this armour,even crossbow can't.
This sort of armour was ceremony for the most part and couldn't do well in any other environment apart from Europe's cold environment. This type of armour is useless in West Asia,India and even Russia. This looks good and all but is impractical. If anything high mobility and small size is what leads to victory rather than armour otherwise the Germans would have won the eastern front...
 
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