Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

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I mean consider doesn't mean going to do. It's just standard business tactics threaten a competitor so they drop costs.

Also even if this is true, it doesn't seem surprising as the Digital Series Plan is to pump out way more aircraft types fast. NGAD as the same time as an F-16 replacement does seem weird.

The F-16 replacement is for a cheap fighter that can be used in counterinsurgency instead of the F-35. It's also meant to compete in the export market around the time a lot of poor countries today will become rich enough to buy fighter jets, but won't be able to afford the F-35 and higher. Doesn't make sense for the Americans to not have a finger in that pie.

Also, the "F-16 replacement" refers to the F-16V which will make its way out of service in the 2040s. The current F-16s are being replaced by the F-35 on a one-to-one basis.

Dropping 200 F-35s for 200 of the new jet could imply cutting down sustainment costs by 2 times, making the remaining 1500 F-35s more affordable.
 

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It will be "Conditions applies" OR "pay massive upfront cost".

If India is ready to pony up $500 billion, I am sure LM will be more than happy to part with its engine technology as well.

Stop writing crap. We will be treated like any NATO ally. We only have to pay for stuff we want extra, no different from the Rafale.

And no, they won't give us engine tech for any amount of money even if they wanted to, because they have banned such exports by law. In fact, GE tried to get the Congress to make an exception for India through MDP for the LCA program and failed. So no engine tech for anybody for any amount.
 

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And no, they won't give us engine tech for any amount of money even if they wanted to, because they have banned such exports by law. In fact, GE tried to get the Congress to make an exception for India through MDP for the LCA program and failed. So no engine tech for anybody for any amount.
Laws? LOL! What are laws? LOL! In USA, money buys laws. We were not paying enough.

Stop writing crap. We will be treated like any NATO ally. We only have to pay for stuff we want extra, no different from the Rafale.
You will be treated like any NATO ally, for the right price ofcourse.

Otherwise a certain NATO MEMBER and a Partner of JSF program has been denied F-35s.

Stop writing crap.
LOL! Stop being stupid.
 
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I mean Dassault had to bribe India, a nation that buys anything with wings. :)
Even LM tried to bribe India with their Fat and Obese F16 V so did the Boeing with their Flying Pig/F18.
What’s new here ?

US of A are famous for bribing,intimidating and arm twisting the smaller/less powerful nations to buy inferior products. Look no further than the Middle East, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and countless other countries which are/were helpless but to submit into accepting inferior or defective designs from US of A defense companies due to their geopolitical compulsions and are still getting blood sucked by leeches from USA.

Even long time allies like UK,Japan,SoKo are arm twisted to buy whatever your defense companies come up with.
What do you think why you have to come up with buffoonery of CAATSA ?
Because you assholes know that your product is inferior to Russia in many aspects. S400 is giving diarrhea to your MIC or Cartels.

So maybe you are having recurring rectal pains because the corrupt India choose corrupt France and ignored whatever you assholes thugs tried to sell us in the past or still trying to sell.
 
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Even LM tried to bribe India with their Fat and Obese F16 V so did the Boeing with their Flying Pig/F18.
What’s new here ?

US of A***oles are famous for bribing,intimidating and arm twisting the smaller/less powerful nations to buy inferior products. Look no further than the Middle East, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and countless other countries which are/were helpless but to submit into accepting inferior or defective designs from US of A***oles defense companies due to their geopolitical compulsions and are still getting blood sucked by leeches from USA.

Even long time allies like UK,Japan,SoKo are arm twisted to buy whatever your defense companies come up with.
What do you think why you have to come up with buffoonery of CAATSA ?
Because you assholes know that your product is inferior to Russia in many aspects. S400 is giving diarrhea to your MIC or Cartels.

So maybe you are having recurring rectal pains because the corrupt India choose corrupt France and ignored whatever you assholes thugs tried to sell us in the past or still trying to sell.

Btw post a link where LM tried to bribe you boobs.

These nations selected the F-35 because of its own merit you're just butt hurt that your crappy nation's air force is inferior to a bunch of chicoms and that the US has not offered India the F-35. Trust me the Indians would absolutely select the F-35 if offered the problem is DOD doesn't believe you are trustworthy and capable of understanding the F-35's advanced capabilities. They likely believe the moment you get them you'll start crashing them.

S400 is no worries for the US they are easy targets for US SEAD flights just look at the s400 in Syria which couldn't stop US cruise missiles and Israeli strikes. You're just too stupid to understand why the US didn't want Turkey to get the s400 and F-35 at same time.
 
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Awww you poor froggy relying on false hope to make yourself feel better, eh? Not happening the death nail for Rafail is being hammered but there still may be hope for it in poor nations but that's about it. First world nations that can't afford their own stealth fighter program are going F-35.
Is the Rafail an aircraft proposed by Froggistan to Switzerland that failed to beat the F-35 against all odds?
 

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Is the Rafail an aircraft proposed by Froggistan to Switzerland that failed to beat the F-35 against all odds?
Pls remind Puto aka TEEHEE aka @WHOHE that death nail is actually spelt death knell . This is the kind of autism induced dyslexia that confirms his heritage to be Irish. No mistakes there. We've seen evidence of this out here before.
 

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Finally, the APG-81 of the F-35 seems to have only 1000 T/R
The increased computing power enhances the 1,000-individual transmitter/receiver units compromising the APG-81 Actively Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar where the radar beams are electronically steered for a much higher transmission rate and power than a Fourth-Generation’s mechanically steered radar antennae.
 

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S400 is no worries for the US they are easy targets for US SEAD flights just look at the s400 in Syria which couldn't stop US cruise missiles and Israeli strikes. You're just too stupid to understand why the US didn't want Turkey to get the s400 and F-35 at same time.
I like this brain dead analysis. The S-400 were primarily deployed to protect Russian assets . Any Russian attempt to prevent US attacks not on it's own assets thru usage of the S-400 would be deemed a hostile act by the US. Ditto for Israel . We're also expected to not understand why the S-400 & F-35 don't go well together . But who's going to explain this to TEEHEE.
 
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You sure are very anal and diarrhea centric in your post but then again you are Indian which makes you an expert on this topic, huh?
Maybe so but I’m not the baboon who is pooping through his mouth since the time he has arrived here. Pooping unnecessarily everywhere is called diarrhea, it’s verbal diarrhea in this case.
You are insulting and abusing everyone here without any provocation.
Btw post a link where LM tried to bribe you boobs.
Not interested to spoon fed a man child. Spare some time and search the internet for articles related to F21 and the bribing/hiring of serving/ex IAF officials by LM.
Same is true in case of Naval Fighter tender by Boing lobbyists.

These nations selected the F-35 because of its own merit you're just butt hurt that your crappy nation's air force is inferior to a bunch of chicoms and that the US has not offered India the F-35.
F35 is not the problem. It may be the best thing on earth after starship. Problem is USA and baboons like you who can’t talk let alone think straight.

And I have no problem admitting that Chicoms are way more powerful than my country. It’s you who can’t digest that Chicoms are now more powerful than senile USA led by senile joe. Just look at their speed of navel build up and you can predict what will happen in couple of years.
You have already lost your manufacturing to these Chicoms and depend on them even for things as basic as tissue paper.
Trust me the Indians would absolutely select the F-35 if offered the problem is DOD doesn't believe you are trustworthy and capable of understanding the F-35's advanced capabilities.
You must be a child to think like that. We don’t buy things just because it’s latest but how well it can fulfill our requirements.
F35 is not suitable for India under current circumstances,considering how stupid and unreliable you people are. You sold your sovereignty to same Chicoms a decade ago for saving few bucks.
They likely believe the moment you get them you'll start crashing them.
Of course we will crash them given Fcuk 35 has stellar record as far as crashing is concerned. All it’s operators have crashed few of them months within induction including the great USAF.
S400 is no worries for the US they are easy targets for US SEAD flights just look at the s400 in Syria which couldn't stop US cruise missiles and Israeli strikes.
There are no evidence that supports your assumption as Syria never had S400 .
S300 of Syrian defense forces may be.
You're just too stupid to understand why the US didn't want Turkey to get the s400 and F-35 at same time.
LOL. It’s you who are pooping the entire thread with your potty mouth , while all other members are having civil conversation. You have literally converted whole thread into a garbage bin due to your inability to converse in civil manner.

And as far as situation in turkey is concerned, it’s your country who is having problems with S400 and not other way round, even though Russia herself relies on same S400 for its defenses. But then again I’m talking to a man child here who can’t talk without showing his stupidity
 
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Finally, the APG-81 of the F-35 seems to have only 1000 T/R

You really ae an idiot.
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It's so sad how desperate you ae to find anything negative about the F-35 just to make your miserable life just a little bit more tolerable.

Too bad for you more misery is coming as Finland will select next month or end of this year the F-35 over Rafail but because you live in a delusional world you'll likely make up some excuse why your little plane lost just to get you through your misery. ;)
 
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The number of TR modules in the F-35's radar is wrong. The section which says 420 is actually 390. Someone's counted the protrusion instead of the dip, plus the supports. The dip is what you count, so instead of 14x30, you actually get 13x30. Same with the rest.

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It's a stepped taper design. Not Vivaldi.

Someone else's made a better attempt.


No one said all 1600+ will be used for radar functions alone. You can even embed T/R modules for other bands without any radar functions. So you can have 1000+ modules functioning as radar and the remaining 600 doing something else entirely. Array cheography will take care of the rest.



Even DRDO's new AWACS radar combines S and L band on a single array.
 

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Maybe so but I’m not the baboon who is pooping through his mouth since the time he has arrived here. Pooping unnecessarily everywhere is called diarrhea, it’s verbal diarrhea in this case.
You are insulting and abusing everyone here without any provocation.

Not interested to spoon fed a man child. Spare some time and search the internet for articles related to F21 and the bribing/hiring of serving/ex IAF officials by LM.
Same is true in case of Naval Fighter tender by Boing lobbyists.


F35 is not the problem. It may be the best thing on earth after starship. Problem is USA and baboons like you who can’t talk let alone think straight.

And I have no problem admitting that Chicoms are way more powerful than my country. It’s you who can’t digest that Chicoms are now more powerful than senile USA led by senile joe. Just look at their speed of navel build up and you can predict what will happen in couple of years.
You have already lost your manufacturing to these Chicoms and depend on them even for things as basic as tissue paper.

You must be a child to think like that. We don’t buy things just because it’s latest but how well it can fulfill our requirements.
F35 is not suitable for India under current circumstances,considering how stupid and unreliable you people are. You sold your sovereignty to same Chicoms a decade ago for saving few bucks.

Of course we will crash them given Fcuk 35 has stellar record as far as crashing is concerned. All it’s operators have crashed few of them months within induction including the great USAF.

There are no evidence that supports your assumption as Syria never had S400 .
S300 of Syrian defense forces may be.

LOL. It’s you who are pooping the entire thread with your potty mouth , while all other members are having civil conversation. You have literally converted whole thread into a garbage bin due to your inability to converse in civil manner.

And as far as situation in turkey is concerned, it’s your country who is having problems with S400 and not other way round, even though Russia herself relies on same S400 for its defenses. But then again I’m talking to a man child here who can’t talk without showing his stupidity

The number of TR modules in the F-35's radar is wrong. The section which says 420 is actually 390. Someone's counted the protrusion instead of the dip, plus the supports. The dip is what you count, so instead of 14x30, you actually get 13x30. Same with the rest.

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It's a stepped taper design. Not Vivaldi.

Someone else's made a better attempt.


No one said all 1600+ will be used for radar functions alone. You can even embed T/R modules for other bands without any radar functions. So you can have 1000+ modules functioning as radar and the remaining 600 doing something else entirely. Array cheography will take care of the rest.



Even DRDO's new AWACS radar combines S and L band on a single array.


"No one said all 1600+ will be used for radar functions alone. You can even embed T/R modules for other bands without any radar functions. So you can have 1000+ modules functioning as radar and the remaining 600 doing something else entirely."

Frenchy isn't smart enough to think like that he actually thinks the APG-81 only has 1000 T/R modules because he's either dumb or purposely misread the article to make it fit his agenda. He's been corrected.
 
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Really? A hindi news outlet? You're gonna have to do better than that son because notice no name is given of this so-called "DOD spokesman" and the claim from this unnamed spokesman is they are unaware that a count was taken.

Look I get it it hurts knowing that Pakistan got the better of youz during this air war but you're going to have to get over it and move on.

Can't hide something like this from US and other western media that would love to report that a US made fighter was shot down unfortunately for you indians it didn't happen.
Funny coming from an American? You guys are the original creators of fake news. You do know the count for the no lost f16 was also given by some unnamed "DOD" source. It can't be both ways burgerboy. Sadly unlike your dogs in the middle East American products usually express a reality check in the sub-continent. And you guys are considered as slippery and deceptive as the Chinese so do try to cope less about it. We know how much your MIC controls your fake media...
 

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Funny coming from an American? You guys are the original creators of fake news. You do know the count for the no lost f16 was also given by some unnamed "DOD" source. It can't be both ways burgerboy. Sadly unlike your dogs in the middle East American products usually express a reality check in the sub-continent. And you guys are considered as slippery and deceptive as the Chinese so do try to cope less about it. We know how much your MIC controls your fake media...
Oy vey. Look I get you're butt hurt that a Pakistani was able to shoot down an upgraded IAF Mig-21 but that doesn't mean you have to make up a story about shooting down a Pakistani F-16 to make yourselves feel better. It didn't happen and an unnamed source that says he or she is unaware that a count took place doesn't mean the count didn't happen especially when the source comes from a hindi news site.

You can't hide a crash site today even the poorest Indian and Pakistani have smartphones.
 

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They hid Osama Bin Laden from you successfully for 10 yrs while you were hunting for him in Afghanistan. What's that say about them? More importantly what's that say about you?
If you're too dumb to know the difference between a crash of an aircraft that explodes on ground and leaves a lot of carnage/footprint to a man hiding among his people than maybe you're not as clever as you think you are, eh?
 

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Oy vey. Look I get you're butt hurt that a Pakistani was able to shoot down an upgraded IAF Mig-21 but that doesn't mean you have to make up a story about shooting down a Pakistani F-16 to make yourselves feel better. It didn't happen and an unnamed source that says he or she is unaware that a count took place doesn't mean the count didn't happen especially when the source comes from a hindi news site.

You can't hide a crash site today even the poorest Indian and Pakistani have smartphones.
Dude try to avoid the 4chan lingo cause it's low-key cringe inducing. You are better off at /k/ if you want to talk like a juvenile. Also there's enough proof of a second pilot going down and being treated at the Pakistani hospital. Also Pakistan literally made there populace believe that osama was never in Abottabad your famed operation was just regular CIA drama. And to the credit of the Pakjabis you have failed to show much proof of Osama's body.
You should not act high and mighty considering Pakistanis screwed you over in Afghanistan and are still screwing you over and for some reason your state department continues to Kowtow to them. So you following Pakistani state line is honestly not surprising.

Also regarding hiding crash sites. An an32 crashed in North East India and couldn't be found. The initial logic because of "muh" smartphones you can't hide crashes is utter crap add on the fact that region is militarised by the great Pakistan Army and the entire state of Pakistan has less press freedom than Indian Kashmir and how controlled their information is regarding their military I don't think that would be the case. Also Pakistan has a history of hiding shootdowns and losses and casualties. You don't just make up story when you have too many circumstantial evidences. While you have to post washington DC shills as some proof. I'd rather believe Indian media than American media since a mig 21 shooting down an f16 would embarrass your MIC guys more than anyone..



I don't want to further derail this thread for some fat corn syrup consuming man-child so let's get back on the topic of you shilling for the f-35 and the French posters shilling for the Rafale..
 
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