Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

jetray

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Just read the tweets. He is literally bending backwards to appease the Chinese. Iyer Mitra was not wrong when he said MEA is compromised.
MEA is like convent school boys who cant even curse properly. Frankly they should stop using english in foreign affairs, every sentence they make is like "I will respectfully kiss your *censored*". If we want to be friendly we need to send our foriegn minister and if we need to kick *censored* we need to send some general, that will show our intent clearly.
 

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Chinese knows everyone.
And they also knows the last decision would be from PM Modi .
Be it Shah,Rajnath,JaiShankar or Doval it would be always depends upon PM.
And they knows PM Modi unpredictable nature .
I fully agree but when dialogue happens there is a space of giving wrong signals. That India has given through MEA. This is what I am trying to say.
he problem is simple.
Chinese comprehensive national power is at least 4 times bigger than India .
They have the bargaining chip.
It was the negligence for past Congress Govt that made this mess
Chinese knows ,unlike Taiwan ,India is a powerful opponent .So they are not interested in an invasion .
They want India to do an invasion against them.

The same government will come again and then one more decade will go wasted.
Current policy is correct and if we can keep this momentum for next 1 decade then possibly we can challenge the China decisvely.

This is the problem, India never had one policy. New govt comes the policy changes.
 

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MEA is like convent school boys who cant even curse properly. Frankly they should stop using english in foreign affairs, every sentence they make is like "I will respectfully kiss your *censored*". If we want to be friendly we need to send our foriegn minister and if we need to kick *censored* we need to send some general, that will show our intent clearly.

What will a General do?

When he is not supposed to stray from the decided line? He wont issue threats the Govt. wont let him enforce.
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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Why are you guys keen on starting a war

War needs resources

Against China we have some Red Lines and China has been told very clearly that if they cross the red lines , we will open fire

In the Ladakh Terrain , the only thing that matters are the Roads and the Big
Places like DBO

So IF China will try to cut off our Roads , that will start a Conflict

Nobody will fight for Patrolling points PP 11 or PP 12

Our People have to be convinced that we are fighting a Justified War

Other wise Modi will be blamed for All casualties

We have to wait for China to push forward or open fire
 
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SrNair

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I fully agree but when dialogue happens there is a space of giving wrong signals. That India has given through MEA. This is what I am trying to say.


The same government will come again and then one more decade will go wasted.


This is the problem, India never had one policy. New govt comes the policy changes.

Chinese knows the ability of the Indians .
Be it MEA,NSA or Military they have already calculated the response ,measures etc.
Indias diplomatic engagement with US ,our military postures in the border last year Galwan incident etc gave them some ideas about our reaction.

Their only method is testing and provoking.
They want to pressurise the GoI through provocation .
And they want India to do a misadventure in border .
It is nothing but a trap.

Do you want that trap ?
Our best option is to deploy the military in border permanently..Use whatever methods we have to increase economy .Invest heavily in our weapon programs .Keepthe border hot .
If a war starts India will be alone.
Because vultures aka our friends want that climatic battle for various purpose .

Cold Himalayan mountain region is very exposed and in future we can do the same that Chinese did now .

Our mistake was the former govts showed criminal negligence about border infrastructure .
Only this govt showed the mettle for border development .

If Chinese attack us then that will be our chance to grind them .
But they wont attack us .Instead they will continue the provocation.u
 

SrNair

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Why are you guys keen on starting a war

War needs resources

Against China we have some Red Lines and China has been told very clearly that if they cross the red lines , we will open fire

In the Ladakh Terrain , the only thing that matters are the Roads and the Big
Places like DBO

So IF China will try to cut off our Roads , that will start a Conflict

Nobody will fight for Patrolling points PP 11 or PP 12

Our People have to be convinced that we are fighting a Justified War

Other wise Modi will be blamed for All casualties

We have to wait for China to push forward or open fire

These people cant understand.

This is not a place to show emotions lol.
Our Paxtan friend is so *censored*ed up because of that attitude .

PM Modi wont care about blames.
But he need result .
PM dont want a defeat .

Only way to teach them a lesson if they give us a chance for it.
They have to invade us.

Infact in 1971 even in Paxtan case Indira wait for Ops Chenghiz Khan to tear them apart .
But they wont do it .
So our option is to stop Chinese from further misadventure and use all kind of low intensity method to kick them.and keep the border hot .
 
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randomradio

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I don't know why we play with straight bat with cheats? China broke every agreement when they came charging in in Ladakh but we idiots are still sticking to agreements which have already been broken by China and also insisting on pre April 2020 status. Why should we not ask them to revert to pre 1962 status? And when they have violated all the agreements, why must we stick to them? let the gloves be off and we must again occupy Kailash range and also areas else where along LAC. Why confine to just Ladakh? The more we get aggressive on LAC, more mischief will Pakistan do on LOC. That will give us a reason to take out Pakistan and once we take out Pakistan, we will be able to divert about three corps to the chinese border and after that even Lhasa will be much nearer.

The agreements are dead. Now they are just buying time.

Reduce economic dependence on China, modernise the military and shake the COVID fever off by going back to pre-pandemic levels.

Anyway, the Chinese seem to be waiting for India to fire the first shot. So it doesn't make sense for us to play by their rules. We need to maintian our moral high ground, at least until we plug holes in our overall capabilities.
 

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You think our current rulers will allow a repeat of 1962.?
Considering how the PMO reacted after Commander Abhinandan case it wont be that easy .PM Modi is not that kind of flexible guy.

Our strategy is correct now.
Stop the Chinese from further incursion dramas .Complete the infrastructure.
Pump up the economy .
Ensure at least 70% of self reliance in military purchase sphere .Develop our own Aircraft industry .
Until then keep them within negotiation and occasional incursion in to their land .
If the Govt is 100% committed it might take at least one decade .

Taiwan will be safe because this time US will interfere .Not because they love them but their economy and TSMC like industries

Everything we are doing today seems to be aimed towards buying time, not just for India, but even the world. It seems to be a joint effort by the West to reduce dependence on China. So the USG is encouraging businesses to pull out of China, the same is being done by Japan, Europe is rethinking its China investment plan. Taiwanese semiconductor and electronics companies are diversifying their production to other countries and so on.
 

randomradio

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US will not do jack if China takes over Taiwan. Specially not the Biden administration. This I can guarantee. Verbal support is one thing, sending own soldiers to die for another country is completely different. If the Afganistan crisis has shown anything, it is how inept the planners are in US as well. So Taiwan either has to defend itself or be sh*t scared of consequences.

One of the main goals of the Pivot to Asia is to protect Taiwan. I don't believe the US will leave Taiwan high and dry. The question is to what extent the US will actually help Taiwan. Since the Taiwanese require assured air superiority, the US could be capable of providing that support without needing to put boots on the ground. The fallout from air force and navy losses will be politically more affordable. And I don't think the US will miss such an opportunity to take out the PLAN before it becomes more powerful.

Otoh, China will have to risk losing its navy in a war with the US anytime before 2030, a setback that will take a minimum of 15 years to fix. Which is why I think their current stance on Taiwan is to push the world's focus away from Ladakh and elsewhere.
 

randomradio

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Does it not look like China is doing to us what we tried to do to Pak - the US plan on USSR - kill them by raising the costs.

LAC is now a money sink. Winter deployments even more so.

Its going to be another winter of waste. A needless deployment for India caused by decades of flacid lethargy.

Pak - Does not dare start a war
Ind - Will never start a war
Chn - Does not need to start a war

Just because China can afford something doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to actually spend on it.

Instead what's happening is the Indian military is getting more funds, so even this works against Chinese interests, even more so against Pakistan. The Chinese intended for India to back off quietly instead of raising a fuss. Even they probably didn't expect to permanently begin deploying corps level forces at the LAC.
 
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screambowl

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Chinese knows the ability of the Indians .
Be it MEA,NSA or Military they have already calculated the response ,measures etc.
Indias diplomatic engagement with US ,our military postures in the border last year Galwan incident etc gave them some ideas about our reaction.

Their only method is testing and provoking.
They want to pressurise the GoI through provocation .
And they want India to do a misadventure in border .
It is nothing but a trap.

Do you want that trap ?
Our best option is to deploy the military in border permanently..Use whatever methods we have to increase economy .Invest heavily in our weapon programs .Keepthe border hot .
If a war starts India will be alone.
Because vultures aka our friends want that climatic battle for various purpose .

Cold Himalayan mountain region is very exposed and in future we can do the same that Chinese did now .

Our mistake was the former govts showed criminal negligence about border infrastructure .
Only this govt showed the mettle for border development .

If Chinese attack us then that will be our chance to grind them .
But they wont attack us .Instead they will continue the provocation.u

No one here is vouching for the war. But make them realize that you are a nuclear power too. Every country has guts to poke India but you people are bunch of losers who act like sissy people. Because you analyse a lot and act less.
 

SrNair

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Everything we are doing today seems to be aimed towards buying time, not just for India, but even the world. It seems to be a joint effort by the West to reduce dependence on China. So the USG is encouraging businesses to pull out of China, the same is being done by Japan, Europe is rethinking its China investment plan. Taiwanese semiconductor and electronics companies are diversifying their production to other countries and so on.
Yes.
Chinese actually want a war now.But they have kicked the ball to our court .So its up to us to take that bait.
Even US wont invade the PRC unless the Chinese takes the initative.
No one here is vouching for the war. But make them realize that you are a nuclear power too. Every country has guts to poke India but you people are bunch of losers who act like sissy people. Because you analyse a lot and act less.
Last few years the situation was bit different.
And India proved herself last year in Galwan clash
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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Yes.
Chinese actually want a war now.But they have kicked the ball to our court .So its up to us to take that bait.
Even US wont invade the PRC unless the Chinese takes the initative.

Last few years the situation was bit different.
And India proved herself last year in Galwan clash

China Does Not want a War

What they are upset about is that we have Counter Deployed and Counter Mobilised and Are Sitting in FRONT of them in their Face

They want that we should accept their Claim Lines and Wind up our Deployment

But our consistent position has been that " You came here first ; You go back first "

So why they dont want to go back

For two reasons

1 Having seen our Mobilization
They believe that we will move forward and grab territory

2 Any acceptance of Indian Conditions
Is a loss of face for China

If China thinks that Delaying a Conflict is helping them they are wrong

We were at our weakest in June 2020 when Galwan happened

One and Half years later , our position has improved
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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I think Modi is waiting for the delivery of S-400. Once we have them, we can secure the airspace in entire North India. This will allow us to take out Pakistan easily. Once we take out Pakistan 1.5 front will be gone and the second front will cease to exist.

The Pakistanis understand the Chinese very well

That is why they are Not keen on a Conflict with India

Because they know China will back out

The structure and Hierarchy of CCP and Chinese Society and PLA is such that
There will be a Revolt once Casualties
Start reaching Mainland China

Galwan created a Big Mess which they had a Tough time hiding

Once Artillery shelling starts , casualties will be in Thousands
 
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randomradio

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I think Modi is waiting for the delivery of S-400. Once we have them, we can secure the airspace in entire North India. This will allow us to take out Pakistan easily. Once we take out Pakistan 1.5 front will be gone and the second front will cease to exist.

I don't think the circumstances required for war and the political will needed to go to war exist this decade. If Modi wants to handle it personally, I guess it will only happen in the last phase of his third potential term, so that's around 2028.
 
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Paro

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Since the Taiwanese require assured air superiority, the US could be capable of providing that support without needing to put boots on the ground. The fallout from air force and navy losses will be politically more affordable. And I don't think the US will miss such an opportunity to take out the PLAN before it becomes more powerful.
Losses in USN will pinch the Americans more that the army. Even a small turf of losing a single ship will send over 100 sailors to the bottom.
I guess it will only happen in the last phase of his third potential term, so that's around 2028.
Even Taiwan and japan think around 2026.