Indian Nuclear Attack Submarines (SSN) - Updates & Discussions
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Parallelly, on the conventional (non-nuclear) warfare front, the around Rs 40,000 crore project to indigenously construct two nuclear-powered submarines, armed with torpedoes, anti-ship and land-attack missiles, is now before the PM-led Cabinet Committee on Security for the final nod after repeated iterations and inter-ministerial consultations, another source said.
The initial case was for six such 6,000-tonne `hunter-killer’ submarines (called SSNs) under `Project-77’ at the SBC. But it was first whittled down to three and now stands at two vessels. It will take at least a decade to build the first two SSNs, which will be around 95% indigenous, while the next four will be approved at a later stage, the source said.
Till the indigenous SSNs roll out, India is slated to get an advanced Akula-class SSN on lease from Russia in 2026 under the $3 billion deal inked in Mar 2019, as reported by TOI earlier.
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The initial case was for six such 6,000-tonne `hunter-killer’ submarines (called SSNs) under `Project-77’ at the SBC. But it was first whittled down to three and now stands at two vessels. It will take at least a decade to build the first two SSNs, which will be around 95% indigenous, while the next four will be approved at a later stage, the source said.
Till the indigenous SSNs roll out, India is slated to get an advanced Akula-class SSN on lease from Russia in 2026 under the $3 billion deal inked in Mar 2019, as reported by TOI earlier.
India Commissions INS Arighat: Second Nuclear Submarine Armed with Nuclear Missiles | India News - Times of India
India News: India is fully prepared to commission its second nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arighat, enhancing its strategic deterrence in the Indian Ocean. The submarine, equipped with nuclear-tipped missiles, is a significant addition to India's naval power amid rising threats from China and...
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France's help would be invaluable in developing next-gen sonar (both bow and towed), and acoustic silencing for our SSN program imo. But beyond that, there's not much we might need. The design should be frozen by now, more or less. After all, development work has been underway since 2015.
Untill we actually get a cabinet clearance, all this talk is useless.
Instead of spending 1.6 bil on 15 UAVs for Navy, sanction 1 billion for 2 SSNs and remaining funds use in buying Heron Mk2s.
some thing new will pop up after that and we will ask for it. There is no end to begging for technology.
Should happen sooner than later. Discussions on tech collab with France have been going on for sometime now.
This couldn't have happened without a nod from the PMO.
The PMO funds the N-sub program as it i s a natsec priority. Heck, even the Main Opposition Party didn't stop funding to it all through the 80s and 90s, when our economy was much worse.
I don't say this lightly. The DRDO has faced problems making towed sonar (NAGAN, ALTAS programs have failed) and will probably need some tech input from abroad for next-gen bow sonars.
P-75A SSNs are going to enter service in the 2035-40 timeframe. We'd need something contemporary for that timeframe.
We've already spent a small fortune (and more) on the Kalvari class, what's a few million more?
Unless you want to remain dependent only on Russia which is going into the Chinese orbit more and more.
We should hedge our bets, I say.
Only solution is to up R&D and greater private partnerships. Also, do something about brain drain. Some of the most exceptional engineers I have worked with have come from India. The question you should be asking is what is preventing young talents from opening defence startups in India?
1. Beuracratic red tape nightmare
2. Corruption in any and all things when interfacing with any govt. at any level
3. Pittance of orders by forces, no commitment to large orders
4. Endless trial process for local manufacture products by forces , but free pass for foreign maal
Beuracratic red tape is a excuse...
Indian startups are all about expensive screw girl.
Defence related research is hard work, incredibly resource, high end material and infra+testing facility intensive. Quite impossible for most startup co to put the level of investment needed or prove to investors that the work will return (high) gain. Forget/excuse the 2nd and 3rd point for now, that is another entire topic when it comes to productionalise and market the product under set of rules.
Extra! extra! 
Nook sub cleared for production per news
Nook sub cleared for production per news
2 won't cut it....... Would there be subsequent orders after the initial two ?
Initial orders. A bigger one down the line by 2030 can be expected.
Modi 3.0 doing awesome as usual. Maybe some people do need a 'little dose of optimism' in their lives, lol
Nuclear-propelled hunter submarine gets CCS go-ahead
NEW DELHI: In a major go ahead towards adding heft to the underwater combat capability of the Indian Navy, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) on Wednesday green flagged construction of nuclear-powered attack submarines or the SSNs. The project to procure 31 armed MQ 9B Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) also got a go ahead.
The plans are to manufacture indigenously, initially, two 6,000-tonne boats with each costing around Rs 15,000 crore, at the Ship Building Centre (SBC) Visakhapatnam.
It was first reported by TNIE in August that a government green light to enhance the attack capability of the Indian Navy is due this year through the manufacture of nuclear-powered submarines.
It is expected to serve as a deterrent for the Chinese Navy’s increasing foray into the Indian Ocean Region.
This ambitious project is going to be indigenous. “The submarine will be more than 90 per cent indigenous,” sources said.
The sources had confirmed that policymakers at every level had shown their inclination towards the project,” one of the sources said.
The project has its Chinese considerations, as, since 2008, has been rapidly deploying various assets, including attack submarines, in the Indian Ocean region on anti-piracy duty. Prolonged deployments help gain familiarity and confidence. Additionally, Chinese survey vessels have been continuously operating in the region.
“The Chinese are unbelievably fast. We can take them lightly at our own peril,” they added.
In May, China completed sea trials of its Fujian aircraft carrier weighing a whopping 80,000 metric tons. The PLA already has two active carriers — the 66,000-ton Shandong and the 60,000-ton Liaoning.
“If any Chinese aircraft carrier comes close by, our nuclear submarine will serve as a deterrent because it can stay under water for close to a month.”
There are two types of nuclear submarines, SSN and SSBN. SS stands for submersible ship; SSN is a nuclear-powered submarine; and SSBN is a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine.
India already has SSBNs. They made the country’s nuclear no-first-use policy operational. SSNs have multiple mission utility like anti-submarine warfare, and anti-surface warfare, besides intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. SSBNs offer assured second strike in the event of a nuclear attack.
India’s foray in the nuclear submarine domain began with the induction of INS Arihant. It is suitable for the policy of no-first-use of nuclear weapons with maintenance of minimum credible deterrence, as part of the nuclear triad.
The Cabinet Committee on Security is India’s apex body which debates and decides issues having their security and defence implications. The committee is headed (chaired) by the Prime Minister and the Ministers of Defence, External Affairs, Home and Finance are part of it.
In another major approval towards the offensive capabilities, the top decision-making body CCS on Wednesday also approved the Predator’s procurement, for which India initiated the process to buy over $3 billion 31 armed MQ-9B High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) UAVs from General Atomics during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's June 2023 visit to the US.
As per the discussions, General Atomics will also establish a Comprehensive Global MRO (maintenance, repair and operations) facility in India to support the country's long-term goals of indigenous production. The MQ-9Bs can loiter up to 50,000 ft, remain airborne for over 35 hours and carry four Hellfire missiles besides around 450 kg of other bombs.
As reported earlier by TNIE, the formal process to purchase it began with the Defence Acquisition Council on June 15, 2023, clearing the Acceptance of Necessity of 31 MQ-9Bs (16 Sky Guardian and 15 Sea Guardian) for the tri-services through the Foreign Military Sale route.
The US government has suggested a total estimated ticket price of $3,072 million. Though there has been some political noise over its cost to the exchequer, the final price will be negotiated after regulatory clearance from the US government.
Given India’s geopolitical position, active borders with Pakistan, the prevalence of terrorism, and the ongoing stand-offs with China, the country needs a suitable policy framework that includes a robust counter-drone component considering the increasing number of incidents along the international border. The affordability and utility of drones have made them a platform of choice even for non-state actors.
India’s UAV requirements at present are mostly met from imports of the Heron I, the Searcher Mk II and the Harop loitering munition from Israel. They have been deployed to monitor activities along the volatile borders with China and Pakistan.
This handle is now generating fake news just to gain reach. No one is reporting anything like that.
Our SSN won't have VL tubes. Hypersonics are not relevant or necessary.