India should pursue case against Hafiz Saeed internationally if it has proof: PM Abbasi

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Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has said that if India thinks there is substance to its allegations against Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed it should pursue charges against him on an international forum.

PM Abbasi, in an interview with Bloomsburg News, said that the Lahore High Court had decided to release the JuD leader as there were no charges against Saeed, and that the decision to free him was within the bounds of the law.

"The court, a three-judge bench, has released him saying there are no charges against him, the country has a law you know," Abbasi told Bloomberg. "Prosecute him internationally if there is substance to these charges ─ these are accusations only. No evidence has been provided by India."

According to Bloomberg, India claimed it has provided evidence to Pakistan. However, Indian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Raveesh Kumar did not respond to requests for comments, the report said.

The prime minister also brushed aside United States (US) accusations that Pakistan provides sanctuary to militant groups, saying that attacks in the region are originating from Afghanistan.

PM Abbasi said that Pakistan would act against terrorists found within its borders, including those belonging to the Haqqani network.

"We have asked the US to share any intelligence about the Haqqani network and we will take action against them," Abbasi said.

Abbasi added: "We have pinpointed the sanctuaries of the attackers. Cross-border infiltration from Afghanistan is the order of the day."

"There is no room for them (the US and Afghanistan) to take a tough stance here, because Pakistan has been on the front-lines of war on terror," PM Abbasi maintained.

According to PM Abbasi, if somebody gives Pakistan intelligence regarding terrorist presence, the country will act upon it, as "it is our war, not theirs".

When asked if Pakistan would move against Taliban leaders who have allegedly lived in Quetta for years, Abbasi said that Pakistan would act against those leaders "if they actually exist".

Abbasi reiterated that US President Donald Trump's bid to increase the number of US troops in Afghanistan would end in failure and that it would be better if the Afghan government and Taliban to agreed to peace talks.

We have assured them of whatever assistance we will be able to offer, but things are quite fragmented on the Afghan side, PM Abbasi said.

"Pakistan has tried to get the dialogue going twice but the talks have been sabotaged," Abbasi said.


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Hellfire said:
A smart challenge if someone is to take it as such.

Any move by India to actually follow through with the suggestion, will automatically result in the chance being given to raise Kashmir issue on an international fora with Indian involvement, thereby eroding Indian contention to the otherwise - that of the issue being a bilateral one.
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And what stake a Pakistani Punjabi Terrorist has in Kashmir issue? In fact if we go by this logic, we should not raise pakistani terrorism at any platform.
 
No, India shouldn't globally pursue a case against Hafiz Saaed, instead it should pursue Saeed with an armed drone and finish the matter (or put one of those nifty new BrahMos launching Su-30MKI's into action).
 
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RATHORE said:
No, India shouldn't globally pursue a case against Hafiz Saaed, instead it should pursue Saeed with an armed drone and finish the matter (or put one of those nifty new BrahMos launching Su-30MKI's into action).
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That would lead to a tit for tat strike and escalate the conflict. If he dies he would just be replaced by his successor and the story continues. He should stay alive and get into politics. That way you can drag the whole country down.
 
Paro said:
That would lead to a tit for tat strike and escalate the conflict. If he dies he would just be replaced by his successor and the story continues. He should stay alive and get into politics. That way you can drag the whole country down.
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Than, you can carry out the op from Afghanistan side, if you want to hide yourself.:unsure:

or else follow the Bollywood movie "BABY" and do it by that way...:devilish:
 
Tarun said:
Than, you can carry out the op from Afghanistan side, if you want to hide yourself.:unsure:

or else follow the Bollywood movie "BABY" and do it by that way...:devilish:
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Realistically you can't assassinate one of the most protected person in the country (probably more important than their PM) and get away with it like in movies. You should be really bold and have balls of steel or be united states. We are neither o_O
 
Paro said:
That would lead to a tit for tat strike and escalate the conflict. If he dies he would just be replaced by his successor and the story continues. He should stay alive and get into politics. That way you can drag the whole country down.
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Tit for tat strike on who...? India can justify it with the fact that he's a known terrorist, who would Pakistan strike and with what justification? Also, regarding escalation, two can play that game, and as India showed with the surgical strikes, we can play it better than Pakistan.
 
RATHORE said:
No, India shouldn't globally pursue a case against Hafiz Saaed, instead it should pursue Saeed with an armed drone and finish the matter (or put one of those nifty new BrahMos launching Su-30MKI's into action).
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"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions."

Gertrude the Governess, by Stephen Leacock.
 
bonobashi said:
"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions."

Gertrude the Governess, by Stephen Leacock.
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If the goal ever was to bring Hafiz Saeed to justice, this is the only way it'll happen. Otherwise we can continue sitting around and sending large dossiers to Pakistan too. That's been working great all these years.
 
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RATHORE said:
If the goal ever was to bring Hafiz Saeed to justice, this is the only way it'll happen. Otherwise we can continue sitting around and sending large dossiers to Pakistan too. That's been working great all these years.
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Sir, or Madam, as the case may be, we can also send a team of the NIA to arrest him and bring him back to stand trial in an Indian court.
 
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RATHORE said:
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic.
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Indeed, no, Sir, or Madam. The suggestion was put up as belonging to the same class of probability of acceptance by the sovereign state of Pakistan as legal behaviour. Illegal or illicit behaviour might lead to consequences. Are we then prepared to risk a nuclear war on the issue?
 
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bonobashi said:
Indeed, no, Sir, or Madam. The suggestion was put up as belonging to the same class of probability of acceptance by the sovereign state of Pakistan as legal behaviour. Illegal or illicit behaviour might lead to consequences. Are we then prepared to risk a nuclear war on the issue?
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1. It's Sir, and there's really no room for doubt or indicator otherwise.
2. That's a preposterous assertion. And as the US has shown through its drone strikes & Bin Laden Op, and as India itself showed through the surgical strikes; there is plenty of room between attacking terrorists by crossing boundaries and all out nuclear war. Any suggestions of nuclear war are just irrational fearmongering that play directly into the hands of the Pakistanis who threaten nuclear war whenever India gets remotely tough.

There was no nuclear war after the surgical strikes, there will be no nuclear war even if India pulls off targeted hits on Saeed, Salahuddin or Azhar.
 
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RATHORE said:
Also, regarding escalation, two can play that game, and as India showed with the surgical strikes, we can play it better than Pakistan.
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RATHORE said:
And as the US has shown through its drone strikes & Bin Laden Op, and as India itself showed through the surgical strikes
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What did we really achieve with the surgical strikes?(not sarcasm, I really want to know)

Maybe we raised a bar for retaliation and gave a boost to local optics for the BJP. But everything ends there, no further strikes were ever conducted, the infiltration is as usual, most of the world media was reluctant to acknowledge it actually happened, and DM bragging like they survived ww3. What did we really gain?
 
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I think it's great work that Hafiz himself is trying to go mainstream. The whole idea of such moves actually helps us raise the instability -terrorist motherland- safe heaven Nexus pitch easily at all levels.

A global declared terrorist is basically trying a backdoor deal with Pakistani Army and ISI to mainstream his agenda in public realm thereby the the "asset" becomes a "revolutionary" .. something with which he can claim legitimacy about his deeds and his preachings..

Is it harmful to India?
A big No. iMHO this is the best course of action as it antagonises every possible country who wishes to side with Pakistan.

This also includes China who will find it difficult to explain why after Masood Azhar now Hafiz Saeed also is a "state protected VIP Guest" who might tomorrow become a Chief Minister or even Prime Minister of Pakistan.

Perhaps Saeed is looking at gaining diplomatic immunity via PM route..

Good move for us.. as he is now more open to public and that means more chances of taking him down. Of course I also believe more than India it's ISI itself who will take out Saeed the day his "usefulness" is of no more value for them.

Nice developments.. we should now look forward to Maulana Masood Azhar in mainstream politics as well with Saeed as role model for success..
 
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Hellfire said:
A smart challenge if someone is to take it as such.

Any move by India to actually follow through with the suggestion, will automatically result in the chance being given to raise Kashmir issue on an international fora with Indian involvement, thereby eroding Indian contention to the otherwise - that of the issue being a bilateral one.
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They cant until Shimla Agreement is in Force.
 
Paro said:
What did we really achieve with the surgical strikes?(not sarcasm, I really want to know)

Maybe we raised a bar for retaliation and gave a boost to local optics for the BJP. But everything ends there, no further strikes were ever conducted, the infiltration is as usual, most of the world media was reluctant to acknowledge it actually happened, and DM bragging like they survived ww3. What did we really gain?
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Broke a massive barrier (both psychological and in terms of policy). Up until that point, every time Pakistan perpetrated terror, or attacked us and thumbed their nose at us; and the same old cabal of leftist/Congress type thinkers and politicians would instantly start quaking in their boots talking about "escalation" and "nuclear war." Just check the recent expose by Air Marshal FH Major about how right after 26/11 he was ready to strike and the Government of the time held him back.

These types of strikes cannot be routinely conducted, Special Forces strikes are supposed to administered very very sparingly and cautiously, otherwise you end up becoming predictable and sooner or later it ends in a set up/embarrassing failure. If a major terror attack occurs again on a civilian target, or another Uri type situation occurs, I'd bet money on this Government retaliating again (though they may choose to up the ante from an SF raid).

The world media is irrelevant, world Governments accepted it and had no problem with it, and a big part of why world media didn't acknowledge it much is because India chose to play the situation that way, if India had truly wanted to make a big show, they could have released footage, and more specific details and really banged that point home; instead they allowed the Pakistani Gvt/Military an "out" or a graceful exit of sorts.

More than the strike itself, the value is in the precedent it sets. That gain is undeniable.
 
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