India - People's Republic of China Relations : Updates and Discussions

Pourquoi la Chine s'intéresse de près au prochain test de missile balistique de l'Inde

Why China is paying close attention to India's next ballistic missile test

For nearly a week, the Yuan Wang 5, a Chinese research vessel has been sailing in the Indian Ocean. For New Delhi, this spy ship is there to observe the next Indian ballistic missile test, expected this Thursday or Friday.

By Claude Fouquet Published on 15 Dec 2022 at 7:53am Updated on 15 Dec 2022 at 9:19am

In the game of cat and mouse, Beijing and New Delhi are obviously masters. If the two countries regularly challenge each other along their Himalayan border, to the point of coming to blows as they did last week, for nearly a week the two Asian powers have been staring each other down in the Bay of Bengal.

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The New Delhi navy is closely monitoring the movements of a Chinese ship that entered the Indian Ocean on 6 December. The Yuan Wang 5 is considered above all by India, but also by the United States in a recent Pentagon report, as a spy ship used to monitor space and satellites and to track and analyse intercontinental missile launches.
 
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China and India have made "great positive progress" to resolve the border standoff, with both sides maintaining close communication, a senior foreign ministry official said here on Friday. The foreign ministry spokesperson Mao Ning's remarks were further elaboration on China's reaction to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent statement in which he said that for New Delhi, ties with Beijing are important and the "prolonged situation" at the borders should be addressed urgently.
In an interview with Newsweek magazine, Prime Minister Modi expressed hope that through positive and constructive bilateral engagement at the diplomatic and military levels, the two countries will be able to restore and sustain peace and tranquillity at their borders. "About the border issue, I can tell you that China and India are remaining in close communication through diplomatic and military channels and great positive progress has been made," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Mao told a media briefing here responding to a question on Modi's interview to Newsweek.
"We also believe that a healthy China and India relations serve the interests of the two countries," she said. "China hopes that India will work in the same direction with China to properly manage the differences and promote the bilateral relations forward on a healthy stable track," Mao said. This is the second time in as many days that China has reacted to Modi's interview. "It is my belief that we need to urgently address the prolonged situation on our borders so that the abnormality in our bilateral interactions can be put behind us," Modi said in his interview.
"Stable and peaceful relations between India and China are important for not just our two countries but the entire region and world," he said. Mao while responding to a question on Modi's interview on Thursday said that China noted Prime Minister Modi's remarks. "Sound and stable China-India relations serve the interests of both countries and are conducive to peace and development in the region and beyond," she said.
On the boundary question, Mao on Thursday reiterated China's oft-repeated stand that it does not "represent the entirety of China-India relations, and it should be placed appropriately in bilateral relations and managed properly". However, India has maintained that there cannot be restoration of normalcy in its relations with China as long as the state of the borders remains abnormal. Mao said both countries maintain close communication through diplomatic and military channels on handling issues related to the border situation and have made positive progress. "We hope that India will work with China, approach the bilateral relations from a strategic height and long-term perspective, keep building trust and engage in dialogue and cooperation, and seek to handle differences appropriately to put the relationship on a sound and stable track," she said. The relations between India and China have been frozen except for trade ties ever since the eastern Ladakh border standoff erupted on May 5, 2020, following a violent clash in the Pangong Tso (lake) area. The two sides have so far held 21 rounds of corps commander-level talks to resolve the standoff. According to the Chinese military, the two sides so far agreed to disengage from four points, namely the Galwan Valley, the Pangong Lake, Hot Springs, and Jianan Daban (Gogra). India is pressing the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to disengage from the Depsang and Demchok areas, maintaining that there cannot be restoration of normalcy in its relations with China as long as the border remains tense.
 
#India-China relations India and China have made progress in talks on border disengagement, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said in Geneva Thursday, adding that nearly 75 percent of the problems had been worked out.
The minister said the two countries have negotiated for the last four years in the aftermath of the June 2020 clashes in the Galwan Valley that killed 20 Indian troops.
That year, Jaishankar said, China moved a large number of troops to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) “in violation of multiple agreements for some reason, which is not entirely clear to us”.
“The first step to that (solving the border stand-off) is disengagement… We have made some progress. You can say roughly 75 percent of the disengagement problems have been sorted out,” he added.

Jaishankar said the border confrontation has affected the entirety of the relationship. “Because, you cannot have violence at the border and say the rest of the relationship is insulated from it. Trade has got affected. The exchanges have gotten affected. It is not normal.”

Jaishankar added that other aspects in the ties could be explored if peace and tranquillity was returned to the border areas.
 
It looks like Putin is playing mediator between India and China. But we shouldn't ease off on the app bans, tarrifs, and national security vetting of Chinese investment proposals implemented in the last 4 years that easy.
We need investments & FDI's are drying up besides local industrial giants aren't investing much. Plus we need Chinese expertise in developing certain sectors like our electronic sector , PV & solar sector , EV & Li Battery chemistry not necessarily their investment especially since they've been made off bounds by recent CCP diktats to local industry.

The Chinese are increasingly facing a hostile environment not only in the west but developing countries like Mexico Brazil etc for up ending local businesses. In fact off late countries like Thailand & Indonesia have slapped tariffs on Chinese imports in spite of being RCEP signatories in the face of local businesses protesting.

You can expect some accomodation to happen. However at this point it's clear all such measures are temporary . Lines have been crossed & flags have been raised . We aren't going to get into a pre Galwan kind of accomodation which in spite of our suspicions & doubts was pretty much what existed for a good 20-25 years ever since China started developing into the factory of the world.
 
Plus we need Chinese expertise in developing certain sectors like our electronic sector , PV & solar sector , EV & Li Battery chemistry not necessarily their investment especially
Pvt sector players are not interested in tech absorption as much as license production. Policy intervention is needed for this to change. The govt could ban imports/mandate localization with a 3-5 year time frame for bulk items (+PLI) on the lines of lthe aptop import ban.

The Chinese are increasingly facing a hostile environment not only in the west but developing countries like Mexico Brazil etc for up ending local businesses. In fact off late countries like Thailand & Indonesia have slapped tariffs on Chinese imports in spite of being RCEP signatories in the face of local businesses protesting.

They've been up to no good in India too. Firms like VIVO have been accused of tax evasion and non-compliance with local representation in board matters/corporate office. China-backed loan apps have also found engaging in predatory lending. Any clearances to Chinese cos should be given on a case-by-case basis. We can't afford to let down our guard.

While critical sectors like power and electronics in India can't do without Chinese imports, we need to tighten regulatory oversight and plug legal loopholes that the Chinese cos have been exploiting.


We aren't going to get into a pre Galwan kind of accomodation which in spite of our suspicions & doubts was pretty much what existed for a good 20-25 years ever since

The sentiment should translate into concrete steps on the ground- increased spending on border infra, setting up the IRF and stepping up defence spending overall.
 
Can't help but believe PMO & MEA are once again getting carried away by wishful thinking. Can't imagine what the price will be this time.


"Whereas Modi mentioned "a multipolar Asia and a multipolar world," Xi, strikingly, referred only to a multipolar world, as if to confirm that the PRC goal is a Sino-centric Asian order."

There can't be a clearer example of how radically different our views are.
 
Can't help but believe PMO & MEA are once again getting carried away by wishful thinking. Can't imagine what the price will be this time.


"Whereas Modi mentioned "a multipolar Asia and a multipolar world," Xi, strikingly, referred only to a multipolar world, as if to confirm that the PRC goal is a Sino-centric Asian order."

There can't be a clearer example of how radically different our views are.
Lol! No one is getting carried away.
China wants himself to be the another pole or the sole pole of Influence.
 

Pourquoi la Chine s'intéresse de près au prochain test de missile balistique de l'Inde

Why China is paying close attention to India's next ballistic missile test

For nearly a week, the Yuan Wang 5, a Chinese research vessel has been sailing in the Indian Ocean. For New Delhi, this spy ship is there to observe the next Indian ballistic missile test, expected this Thursday or Friday.

By Claude Fouquet Published on 15 Dec 2022 at 7:53am Updated on 15 Dec 2022 at 9:19am

In the game of cat and mouse, Beijing and New Delhi are obviously masters. If the two countries regularly challenge each other along their Himalayan border, to the point of coming to blows as they did last week, for nearly a week the two Asian powers have been staring each other down in the Bay of Bengal.

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The New Delhi navy is closely monitoring the movements of a Chinese ship that entered the Indian Ocean on 6 December. The Yuan Wang 5 is considered above all by India, but also by the United States in a recent Pentagon report, as a spy ship used to monitor space and satellites and to track and analyse intercontinental missile launches.

Chinese ICBM has 3 MIRV while Agni V has 6 to 8 MIRV and work to Integrate 8 to 10 MIRV is on.