IAF's Russian supply chains broken down?

Ankit Kumar

Ankit Kumar

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Came across a tweet.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1639095698951135232

On spending a further couple of minutes on IAF website, found this. https://indianairforce.nic.in/wp-co...2.-Indigenisation-requirement-of-IAF-Book.pdf

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Although nothing explicit is mentioned, once you go through this , you will realise it's only for the Russian origin platforms. Means IAF now is facing acute shortages of various spares supply from Russia.

The only non Russian thing on this 600+ item list is help for overhauling of GE404 engines
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Came across a tweet.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1639095698951135232

On spending a further couple of minutes on IAF website, found this. https://indianairforce.nic.in/wp-co...2.-Indigenisation-requirement-of-IAF-Book.pdf

This file is too big to be uploaded. PDF

Although nothing explicit is mentioned, once you go through this , you will realise it's only for the Russian origin platforms. Means IAF now is facing acute shortages of various spares supply from Russia.

The only non Russian thing on this 600+ item list is help for overhauling of GE404 engines
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Russia had given in writing to Indian government & military their inability to deliver the orders and provide after sales services etc due to unforeseen and situations beyond their control. Many of us, Indians, didn't choose to believe despite writing on the wall.
 
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Russia had given in writing to Indian government & military their inability to deliver the orders and provide after sales services etc due to unforeseen and situations beyond their control. Many of us, Indians, didn't choose to believe despite writing on the wall.
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I went through the list, and almost 1/3rd items seem to me like it was within the capability of our industries in 2010 itself. We should have localised then itself.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
I went through the list, and almost 1/3rd items seem to me like it was within the capability of our industries in 2010 itself. We should have localised then itself.
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We went out of deadline for delivering what was already committed by Indian MICs, time to be realistic with our capabilities and gaps, and where we need to take assistance of Japan, South Korea & other Western world. Russia is already spent power, surviving on nuclear stockpile. They've enough natural resources but negligible manpower to use their own resources effectively, which will most certainly fall in the hands of Chinese tomorrow if not today. We are still hoping for the worse to pass, let's hope winds blow in our side as time passes.
 
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I went through the list, and almost 1/3rd items seem to me like it was within the capability of our industries in 2010 itself. We should have localised then itself.
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At least this will force to develop our own capacity.

India should create a master plan to replace all Russian origin critical platforms within next 20 years. It will be extremely expensive, but certainly doable.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Came across a tweet.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1639095698951135232

On spending a further couple of minutes on IAF website, found this. https://indianairforce.nic.in/wp-co...2.-Indigenisation-requirement-of-IAF-Book.pdf

This file is too big to be uploaded. PDF

Although nothing explicit is mentioned, once you go through this , you will realise it's only for the Russian origin platforms. Means IAF now is facing acute shortages of various spares supply from Russia.

The only non Russian thing on this 600+ item list is help for overhauling of GE404 engines
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This could be read in many ways - that we always had the capability to develop & mfg a great deal pf those parts but desisted in order to honour the agreements we had in place with Russia unlike the Chinese, that we're being proactive & not waiting for a complete breakdown in these supply chains or that we're merely taking advantage of what's clearly a moment of crisis for Russia.

Either way given our own perilous future, this hasn't come a day too soon.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Came across a tweet.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1639095698951135232

On spending a further couple of minutes on IAF website, found this. https://indianairforce.nic.in/wp-co...2.-Indigenisation-requirement-of-IAF-Book.pdf

This file is too big to be uploaded. PDF

Although nothing explicit is mentioned, once you go through this , you will realise it's only for the Russian origin platforms. Means IAF now is facing acute shortages of various spares supply from Russia.

The only non Russian thing on this 600+ item list is help for overhauling of GE404 engines
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Is IN comfortable with its MiG 29s?
 
If you go through the 3-4 indi list published so far & govt mandate of compulsory indigenisation components in any platform/tender, you will see what is what. This idea of shortage & failure to spare delivery is pushed by a certain lobby, and mostly related to insurance related affair, ie steps that could easily be navigated should both countries govt are willing to take steps. Some have already been taken re mutual trade & payment, more to follow soon.
 
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Is IN comfortable with its MiG 29s?
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Sub optimal performance . The CAG has constantly upbraided the IN for the pathetic performances especially the availability of the MiG-29K. Around 2015-16 IIRC it was > 20% availability which is when the then Defence Minister the late Mr Manohar Parrikar decided to take matters in his own hands & ensure better availability for all Russian platforms including the MKI - the backbone of the IAF which enjoyed a dismal availability but not as bad as the IN with the MiG-29K .

If I'm not mistaken around 2019-20 the availability of the MiG-29K rose to > 40% . Whether it was a one off incident only restricted to that year or has continued in the sane vein in the future is not known as I haven't followed that bit of news closely.

But the IN is clearly unhappy with it's purchase & performance & would like to rid itself of it ASAP.
 
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Sub optimal performance . The CAG has constantly upbraided the IN for the pathetic performances especially the availability of the MiG-29K. Around 2015-16 IIRC it was > 20% availability which is when the then Defence Minister the late Mr Manohar Parrikar decided to take matters in his own hands & ensure better availability for all Russian platforms including the MKI - the backbone of the IAF which enjoyed a dismal availability but not as bad as the IN with the MiG-29K .

If I'm not mistaken around 2019-20 the availability of the MiG-29K rose to > 40% . Whether it was a one off incident only restricted to that year or has continued in the sane vein in the future is not known as I haven't followed that bit of news closely.

But the IN is clearly unhappy with it's purchase & performance & would like to rid itself of it ASAP.
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My question was: does war in Ukraine have an impact also to IN? Which could accelerate the need of a new plane...
 
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My question was: does war in Ukraine have an impact also to IN? Which could accelerate the need of a new plane...
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It impacts all our armed forces given the preponderance of Russian platforms, support systems & armaments. As far as accelerating the need of a new plane, our MoD / GoI move at their own pace irrespective of the urgency of the situation.

However the issues of spares & poor performance of the MiG-29K precedes the war, hence the need to replace them with TEDBF while going in for 26 nos MRCBF in the interim.
 
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Russia had given in writing to Indian government & military their inability to deliver the orders and provide after sales services etc due to unforeseen and situations beyond their control. Many of us, Indians, didn't choose to believe despite writing on the wall.
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Written submission tactically to allow Indian remedial measures.

Hope we don't buy cheap alternative s elsewhere and do it house at least now.

If we have successfully created spares pool in house, it would end spares purchase from Russia.. And even some exports to Russian weapon buyers.

I doubt Ukraine war would go that long.
 
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