Embraer sought technical assistance from HAL in its very initial stages of setting up its first plant . You can get more on this from @Milspec. Look at the number of aircraft they've designed and what's come out of HAL's stable. Our development trajectory is flawed. We went in to design a 80 KN jet engine where we should've begun with the 20 KN ones, which incidentally HAL is undertaking now. We manufactured BM's NW & an SSBN but not a decent Tank Or Infantry weapons. How do you like that?I don't know what it is, but turbofan powered medium/heavy lift aircrafts look so darn beautiful. C-17s, C-2s, KC-390 you name it. Surprisingly, I don't like the looks of a C-5 Galaxy, little over the top for my liking. Not to mention quality meme material.
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About HAL hanging their head in shame, a bit much don't you think ? I am pretty sure I can post a similar video about ISRO and tell the Brazilians to hang their head in shame. But that entirely misses the point, Brazil went into developing planes, business jets around the same time when we were developing nuclear weapons,ballistic missiles, satellite launch vehicles and what not. Every country has it own unique path created by its history, geography and politics etc. There is not point in beating ourselves up for not taking Brazil's path, it wasn't for us anyway.
If Brazil can today produce world class cargo planes, I am happy for them. More so because they are a developing nation, like us. I am sure they went through a lot to get this far, that struggle is what makes it sweet anyway. But we are no slouches on the missiles, satellites, space and many other fronts.
HAL, our MoD, bureaucracy, politics they all deserve a kick in the butt for their failures. But lets admit it, we've never put in as much resources or attention as required to build an aviation industry. The kind of attention we paid to missiles, remember IGMDP ? Where is the aviation counterpart to it ?
That's why Brazil is where it is and we are where we are.
Absolutely correct. Like I said we needed an aviation counter part to the IGMDP. That would have allowed us to build up capability gradually and not take up abrupt very ambitious missions. Think about trying to make the Agni-5 without making the Agni-1,2,3(and their wide bunch of versions), that would end in a disaster much like the Kaveri. The other thing is they never had to work with the constraints of sanctions that would force us to take up the Kaveri project anyway.Our development trajectory is flawed. We went in time design a 80 KN jet engine where we should've begun with the 20 KN ones, which incidentally HAL is undertaking now.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so painful.We manufactured BM's NW & an SSBN but not sure decent Tank Or Infantry weapons. How do you like that?
I hope HAL / MoD take a close look at this & hang their collective heads in shame.
The kind of TET we are getting right now with the Kaveri should allow us to make a high bypass turbofan engine of around ~280 KN thrust if bypass ratio is increased from the current 0.16:1 to >5:1. That's more than enough to make our own heavy lifter, assuming we ever intend to make it at all. And the HTFE-25's core will allow the development of 110 KN+ high bypass turbofan engine. Same class that powers the KC-390.Other than that the HTFE 25 and HTSE 1200, to are sitting on a back burner as a tent space specimens with a couple of tests happening in a year. India needs an Engine, without it's own engine that is free to manufacture it can do much with platforms.
Political class & the ppl who run these orgs both need to be mature for that.Leadership:
There is a brilliant PSU success story in the realm of Indian history - Maruti Udyog Limited. Here we had a PSU with monopoly and private sector company which was incrementally given complete leadership. The management and leadership of the private partner propelled the company to be an absolute market leader, that is the same formula for HAL. Unless HAL gets a leadership which can stand on its own and compete with international competition within the country, the company will either remain a roadblock in India's quest for self-sufficiency or will slowly wither away into oblivion.
We should move in......and get at least 60-70% stake in KC - 390.....if only HAL/MOD had any interestAnalysts say that the failed Boeing-Embraer deal could have negative repercussions for Embraer's flagship military aircraft.www.defensenews.com
Deal is off
We should move in......and get at least 60-70% stake in KC - 390.....if only HAL/MOD had any interest
MARTT....LRMPA.....AWACS ....if only HAL/MOD had any vision..........but no we have to do every thing ourselves
It is a great prospect no doubt. However to do this the MoD would need to have a level of foresight unseen ever before in India. Many similar prospects came and went from Ukraine/Russia and the MoD just let it pass. Don't keep high hopes mate.If MOD had any sense .....
It is a great prospect no doubt. However to do this the MoD would need to have a level of foresight unseen ever before in India. Many similar prospects came and went from Ukraine/Russia and the MoD just let it pass. Don't keep high hopes mate.
I hope we don't lose this to China now. This is golden opportunity to enter into aviation industry in a big way. HAL can become multinational company and be part of global aviation chain...That's why I have said....if only HAL/MOD had any vision...But it Was a great opportunity
Apparently, the Embraer group is divided into 3 groups. One for Civilian airliners, one for military applications ( involved with SAAB for the JV to manufacture of Gripens in Brazil) & the 3rd for biz jets. There's some overlap between the first & second groups where civilian aircraft can also be converted to military transportation aircraft, where the necessary adaptation is done by the second group for local consumption by Brazilian armed forces & export to other militaries.I hope we don't lose this to China now. This is golden opportunity to enter into aviation industry in a big way. HAL can become multinational company and be part of global aviation chain...
Tag this to pmo and narendra modi and others to awake them from sleep...
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