Does IAF has a functional data link?

[safriz]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

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This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

 

[Quicksilver]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

www.google.com

This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa (retd.)
the report also says
"had they gone to war with us, they would have had to eat grass.."

either you believe the report in full or you believe neither. which one is it @safriz

 

[ghostwhowalks]

Whether IAF has functional data link or not, don't expect anyone here to share that info. If you are so keen to find out, ask your ISI masters.

MODS: request this thread be closed. Sensitive info should not be the subject of discussion on an open forum. @nair

 

[suryakiran]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

www.google.com

This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

3 parts.

Did they have? No. UHF-/L-band two-way tactical data-links were not present
Do they have? Don't know. Order was placed for 400 SDR with Rafael as part of emergency requirements.
Will they have? In the future, yes. Finally, IAF seems to have woken up.

Whether IAF has functional data link or not, don't expect anyone here to share that info. If you are so keen to find out, ask your ISI masters.

MODS: request this thread be closed. Sensitive info should not be the subject of discussion on an open forum. @nair

There is no 'top secret' in this. Known fact that MoD was sleeping over the requirement for the better part of 15 years.

 

[Ashwin]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

www.google.com

This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

The article is quoting Pravin Sawhney, who is like Zaid Hamid of indian defence writers.

We are in the process of equipping operational data links on every aircraft. Currently, IAF with IACCS is far better network equipped than PAF.

Unsecured DL just means PAF was able to intercept the communication, not jam. If that was the case Abhinandans wingman couldn't have turned back.

 

[Tatvamasi]

Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa (retd.)
the report also says
"had they gone to war with us, they would have had to eat grass.."

either you believe the report in full or you believe neither. which one is it @safriz

One is a fact based question while the other fictional hypothesis.

Grow up from the green forum behaviour.

 

[AbRaj]

One is a fact based question while the other fictional hypothesis.

Grow up from the green forum behaviour.

A lot of Indians are getting retarded due to frequenting Green Menntal Retardation Centre on the Internet.

 

[randomradio]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

www.google.com

This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

IAF has ODL. A contract was signed with IAI back in 2009. It went into operation a the year after that. Even the LCA FOC contract that was signed in 2010 came with requirements for the ODL. It's simply called "Operational Data Link", the actual designation and capabilities are still classified.

People are simply confused about the SDR deal and the data link. So some journos are jumping to conclusion based on their own ignorance. I had already pointed out to you that the SDR process started many years before Balakot and the contract was also signed before Balakot. Somehow some ignorants are still linking the deal with Balakot and are somehow convinced that ODL and SDR are the same.

The IAF has been a fully network-enabled force for a decade already. A fully networked simulation exercise with Mig-29s was also braodcast live in a Delhi event back in 2010.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

IAF has ODL. A contract was signed with IAI back in 2009. It went into operation a the year after that. Even the LCA FOC contract that was signed in 2010 came with requirements for the ODL. It's simply called "Operational Data Link", the actual designation and capabilities are still classified.

People are simply confused about the SDR deal and the data link. So some journos are jumping to conclusion based on their own ignorance. I had already pointed out to you that the SDR process started many years before Balakot and the contract was also signed before Balakot. Somehow some ignorants are still linking the deal with Balakot and are somehow convinced that ODL and SDR are the same.

The IAF has been a fully network-enabled force for a decade already. A fully networked simulation exercise with Mig-29s was also braodcast live in a Delhi event back in 2010.

So what was the Controversy about
DA 20 of PAF hacking into our secured communication and WC Abhinandan
Unable to hear GC Minty Agarwal

The Pakistanis have made such claims

 

[AbRaj]

IAF has ODL. A contract was signed with IAI back in 2009. It went into operation a the year after that. Even the LCA FOC contract that was signed in 2010 came with requirements for the ODL. It's simply called "Operational Data Link", the actual designation and capabilities are still classified.

People are simply confused about the SDR deal and the data link. So some journos are jumping to conclusion based on their own ignorance. I had already pointed out to you that the SDR process started many years before Balakot and the contract was also signed before Balakot. Somehow some ignorants are still linking the deal with Balakot and are somehow convinced that ODL and SDR are the same.

The IAF has been a fully network-enabled force for a decade already. A fully networked simulation exercise with Mig-29s was also braodcast live in a Delhi event back in 2010.

Yes ,Something similar was demonstrated even in Ex Vayushakti , where the images from different sources like uav and the fighter jets were broadcasted live on TV with running commentary

 

[vstol Jockey]

IN had ODL way back in 1987 when TU-142Ms were inducted. I was manning operations center in Goa during Operation Cactus and our TU-142Ms were using the data link to communicate with eachother while leaving the area and joining the area. The same data link was also operational with Russing origin ships. The person who wrote the article probably has no clue of what a data link is. He seems to have got confused between secure voice communication and data link.

 

[randomradio]

So what was the Controversy about
DA 20 of PAF hacking into our secured communication and WC Abhinandan
Unable to hear GC Minty Agarwal

The Pakistanis have made such claims

There is no controversy. It's all just fake reporting.

The PAF were by all effects "slaughtered" without us having to do much. That's why we now have air supremacy over PoJ&K today, as already pointed out by Falcon a long time ago. That's also why the UAV video of IA pounding PA across the LoC was released, a befitting answer to ISPR's "amazing" propaganda.

 

[suryakiran]

The IAF has been a fully network-enabled force for a decade already. A fully networked simulation exercise with Mig-29s was also braodcast live in a Delhi event back in 2010.

Actually, this part is incorrect. The query being asked is can the data from a surveillance asset be passed to the offensive/defensive fighter for an engagement. The answer is no. They can communicate through voice. A battlemap cannot be provided even today. The simulated exercise you are talking about was just about streaming information/video to a ground control.

I would be glad to be proven wrong on this.

 

[suryakiran]

IN had ODL way back in 1987 when TU-142Ms were inducted. I was manning operations center in Goa during Operation Cactus and our TU-142Ms were using the data link to communicate with eachother while leaving the area and joining the area. The same data link was also operational with Russing origin ships. The person who wrote the article probably has no clue of what a data link is. He seems to have got confused between secure voice communication and data link.

IN and IAF are 2 different animals.

There is no controversy. It's all just fake reporting.

The PAF were by all effects "slaughtered" without us having to do much. That's why we now have air supremacy over PoJ&K today, as already pointed out by Falcon a long time ago. That's also why the UAV video of IA pounding PA across the LoC was released, a befitting answer to ISPR's "amazing" propaganda.

This has more to do with changes in the RoE. Not some sudden tech availability.

 

[lcafanboy]

IAF lacked ODL during Balakot strike, fighter jets went incommunicado | Chandigarh News - Times of India

CHANDIGARH: Absence of operational data-link (ODL) was one of the biggest hurdles that the Indian Air Force (IAF) faced during the Pakistan Air Force .

www.google.com

This article and many others suggest that IAF jets can only communicate with each other and ground control via voice coms and there's no fictional data link?

PAF AD HQ has all the radar sensors like TPS77 types, still they miss Balakot from IAF. Not that PAF could be alerted after IAF would cross the border, but PAF sensors could pick up right from Indian air bases. But PAF failed to track IAF.
Also PAF failed OBL raid.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258328371085357057

 

[randomradio]

Actually, this part is incorrect. The query being asked is can the data from a surveillance asset be passed to the offensive/defensive fighter for an engagement. The answer is no. They can communicate through voice. A battlemap cannot be provided even today. The simulated exercise you are talking about was just about streaming information/video to a ground control.

I would be glad to be proven wrong on this.

IAF Kick Starts AFNET Enabling Network Centric Warfare

www.outlookindia.com

The modern, state-of-the-art AFNET is a fully secure communication network, providing IAF critical link among its command and control centre, sensors such as the Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems and shooters like the fighter jets and missile squadrons.

Air Force Network frees frequencies for telecom

Antony to Raja: Build army and navy networks for more frequency.

www.business-standard.com

In New Delhi today, the Indian Air Force took a giant step towards “network-centric” warfare by inaugurating AFNet (or Air Force Network), a secure, gigabyte-capacity, digital radio network that links IAF command posts, fighter bases, radars, missile batteries and airborne fighters into a seamless whole.

For the IAF, which has relied since the late-1950s on vintage troposcatter-based communications, AFNet is a vital step forward. Says Air Vice Marshall Kapil Kak of the Centre for Air Power Studies, an IAF think-tank, “AFNet is upgradable and will soon link Airborne Warning and Control Systems and space-based systems with the current network. And, within five years, I see AFNet being extended to the army and navy as well.”

Would recommend reading both the articles in full though.

In 2010, the ground network was complete. This was followed up by the airborne network using ODL. AFAIK, the ODL is faster than Link 16, so sharing a battlespace picture is within its scope.

It was right after AFNet was set up that the 2G scam happened.

This has more to do with changes in the RoE. Not some sudden tech availability.

It has nothing to do with either. It's about how PAF is completely helpless to stop IAF incursions after the RoE was changed.

 

[suryakiran]

IAF Kick Starts AFNET Enabling Network Centric Warfare

www.outlookindia.com

The modern, state-of-the-art AFNET is a fully secure communication network, providing IAF critical link among its command and control centre, sensors such as the Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems and shooters like the fighter jets and missile squadrons.

Air Force Network frees frequencies for telecom

Antony to Raja: Build army and navy networks for more frequency.

www.business-standard.com

In New Delhi today, the Indian Air Force took a giant step towards “network-centric” warfare by inaugurating AFNet (or Air Force Network), a secure, gigabyte-capacity, digital radio network that links IAF command posts, fighter bases, radars, missile batteries and airborne fighters into a seamless whole.

For the IAF, which has relied since the late-1950s on vintage troposcatter-based communications, AFNet is a vital step forward. Says Air Vice Marshall Kapil Kak of the Centre for Air Power Studies, an IAF think-tank, “AFNet is upgradable and will soon link Airborne Warning and Control Systems and space-based systems with the current network. And, within five years, I see AFNet being extended to the army and navy as well.”

Would recommend reading both the articles in full though.

In 2010, the ground network was complete. This was followed up by the airborne network using ODL. AFAIK, the ODL is faster than Link 16, so sharing a battlespace picture is within its scope.

It was right after AFNet was set up that the 2G scam happened.


It has nothing to do with either. It's about how PAF is completely helpless to stop IAF incursions after the RoE was changed.

Will read both and reply.