Details- 8 Surgical Strikes before current Govt

[Guynextdoor]

This has come out due to political bickering up the details are tantilizing. Looks like we've been screwing them pretty routinely in the last. 6 under UPA and 2 under NDA before that. Likelihood that the ones carried out under Modi were significantly more severe, which is why the response. Of course Pak will deny and Windy will say something about India day dreaming/ wet dreaming.

@vstol Jockey @nair @safriz @zarvan @Nilgiri

LIVE! 6 surgical strikes under UPA rule: Cong to BJP - Rediff.com India News



The Congress on Thursday came out with a list of six anti-terror surgical strikes carried out during UPA rule, asserting that it never tried to take political advantage from military operations.



The Congress released the list at a press conference after BJP leader Arun Jaitley took a jibe at the opposition party, saying its surgical strikes were "invisible and unknown".



The UPA government carried out six surgical strikes -- Bhattal sector in Poonch (June 19, 2008); Sharda sector, across Neelam River Valley, in Kel (August 30-September 1, 2011); Sawan Patra checkpost (January 6, 2013); Nazapir sector (July 27-28, 2013); Neelam Valley (August 6, 2013); and one on December 23, 2013, Congress spokesperson Rajeev Shukla said.



He also listed two surgical strikes carried out under the previous BJP-led NDA government of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. These were Nadala Enclave, across the Neelam River (January 21, 2000) and Baroh sector in Poonch (September 18, 2003), Shukla said.



The war of words between the two parties came after former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, in an interview to Hindustan Times, said multiple surgical strikes took place during UPA rule.



Attacking the Congress, Jaitley said the Manmohan Singh government did not act against terrorists after the Mumbai terror attack in 2008 even as security forces were ready to target them.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

If only people knew the difference between small scale tactical sector level operations and magnitude of surgical strikes.

Don't use army for political gains, anyone?

 

[GuardianRED]

This has come out due to political bickering up the details are tantilizing. Looks like we've been screwing them pretty routinely in the last. 6 under UPA and 2 under NDA before that. Likelihood that the ones carried out under Modi were significantly more severe, which is why the response. Of course Pak will deny and Windy will say something about India day dreaming/ wet dreaming.

@vstol Jockey @nair @safriz @zarvan @Nilgiri

LIVE! 6 surgical strikes under UPA rule: Cong to BJP - Rediff.com India News



The Congress on Thursday came out with a list of six anti-terror surgical strikes carried out during UPA rule, asserting that it never tried to take political advantage from military operations.



The Congress released the list at a press conference after BJP leader Arun Jaitley took a jibe at the opposition party, saying its surgical strikes were "invisible and unknown".



The UPA government carried out six surgical strikes -- Bhattal sector in Poonch (June 19, 2008); Sharda sector, across Neelam River Valley, in Kel (August 30-September 1, 2011); Sawan Patra checkpost (January 6, 2013); Nazapir sector (July 27-28, 2013); Neelam Valley (August 6, 2013); and one on December 23, 2013, Congress spokesperson Rajeev Shukla said.



He also listed two surgical strikes carried out under the previous BJP-led NDA government of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. These were Nadala Enclave, across the Neelam River (January 21, 2000) and Baroh sector in Poonch (September 18, 2003), Shukla said.



The war of words between the two parties came after former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, in an interview to Hindustan Times, said multiple surgical strikes took place during UPA rule.



Attacking the Congress, Jaitley said the Manmohan Singh government did not act against terrorists after the Mumbai terror attack in 2008 even as security forces were ready to target them.

PKS gave an entire Blog Post to this correct? post it here then + Windy is still there? damn!

 

[Guynextdoor]

PKS gave an entire Blog Post to this correct? post it here then + Windy is still there? damn!

who is PKS? And windy- DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUR FRIEND WINDY. We will tolerate anything except bad muthing Gafoora Bhaijaan and Windybreak...sorry...windjammer bhaijaan

 

[_Anonymous_]

If only people knew the difference between small scale tactical sector level operations and magnitude of surgical strikes.

Don't use army for political gains, anyone?

As you remarked earlier in the Parliamentary Election thread, ones individual reading of the ground situation and what actually happens is limited to ones perception vs an entire well oiled machinery whose job it is to read the signs.

OTOH, one sees Modi & the BJP, day in & day out, harping on some 2 bit surgical strike which would have put even the most seasoned practitioner of realpolitik IG to Shame, as if Modi created history by vivisecting Pakistan & more importantly as if he has nothing else to show. At least as far as the MSM has been covering his campaign, this much comes through.

OTOH, what explains this move of the Congress? Do they know something we don't?!

 

[Guynextdoor]

If only people knew the difference between small scale tactical sector level operations and magnitude of surgical strikes.

Don't use army for political gains, anyone?

And how did you decide that it was a small scale tactical sector operation?

 

[_Anonymous_]

And how did you decide that it was a small scale tactical sector operation?

How do you know it wasn't?

 

[Guynextdoor]

How do you know it wasn't?

That kinda explains who you vote BJP...

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

As you remarked earlier in the Parliamentary Election thread, ones individual reading of the ground situation and what actually happens is limited to ones perception vs an entire well oiled machinery whose job it is to read the signs.

OTOH, one sees Modi & the BJP, day in & day out, harping on some 2 bit surgical strike which would have put even the most seasoned practitioner of realpolitik IG to Shame, as if Modi created history by vivisecting Pakistan & more importantly as if he has nothing else to show. At least as far as the MSM has been covering his campaign, this much comes through.

OTOH, what explains this move of the Congress? Do they know something we don't?!

I am not really a fan of him on security issues, he less on substance and hyper on noise and it feels pathetic when you listen to it on loop but for first timers in rural area it's a big change and big thing, helps electorally example you'll see in Rajasthan results.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

And how did you decide that it was a small scale tactical sector operation?

No of casualties, area dominated, soldiers and resources deployed gives a pretty good idea.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Its Lt. Gen. Hodda at work. He gave these details to congress of cross border retaliatory strikes done at local level in Kashmir.

 

[_Anonymous_]

That kinda explains who you vote BJP...

Meaning you don't have anything of substance to post & merely shot off your mouth.

 

[Guynextdoor]

No of casualties, area dominated, soldiers and resources deployed gives a pretty good idea.

they never gave you any inputs on the other ops. How did you decide they were small scale? How are you sure that the reason why they kept it confidential was because these ops killed so many people, revealing it would have forced Pak to declare war.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

they never gave you any inputs on the other ops. How did you decide they were small scale? How are you sure that the reason why they kept it confidential was because these ops killed so many people, revealing it would have forced Pak to declare war.

Plenty of details are leaked from time to time either in person on in public.

Also heavy casualties will be inflicted only when you himself suffered any major casualty and we didn't. It's proportional response in revenge, a little bit more but not totally disproportionate.

 

[_Anonymous_]

they never gave you any inputs on the other ops. How did you decide they were small scale? How are you sure that the reason why they kept it confidential was because these ops killed so many people, revealing it would have forced Pak to declare war.

You've a sense of humour. All unintentional. But you've a sense of humour, I'd grant you this much.

 

[_Anonymous_]

I am not really a fan of him on security issues, he less on substance and hyper on noise and it feels pathetic when you listen to it on loop but for first timers in rural area it's a big change and big thing, helps electorally example you'll see in Rajasthan results.

I was actually hinting on why has the Congress jumped on to the Surgical strike bandwagon by publishing their own glorious victories. Unless Modi & the BJP is gaining traction with their version of surgical strikes!

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

I was actually hinting on why has the Congress jumped on to the Surgical strike bandwagon by publishing their own glorious victories. Unless Modi & the BJP is gaining traction with their version of surgical strikes!

They are trying to blunt this "strike" issue, first negatively by siding with Pakistan and when it backfired pretty bad now trying to present themselves pro army, pro India.

Traction is guaranteed, infact BJP too is dedicating too much time and effort on it even after having much more impactful social schemes. Congress lost every hope on 26th Feb, they are just fighting for sake of it.

 

[CountryFirst]

Its Lt. Gen. Hodda at work. He gave these details to congress of cross border retaliatory strikes done at local level in Kashmir.

Is this all because his seniority was overridden?? Or was he always a closet traitor?? How many more like him?

 

[_Anonymous_]

They are trying to blunt this "strike" issue, first negatively by siding with Pakistan and when it backfired pretty bad now trying to present themselves pro army, pro India.

Traction is guaranteed, infact BJP too is dedicating too much time and effort on it even after having much more impactful social schemes. Congress lost every hope on 26th Feb, they are just fighting for sake of it.

Frankly, out here in bby I don't see any wave for Modi. There isn't any wave against him, mind you. People who're committed to vote him are doing that. Ditto for those against him. I don't know where does the vote of the fence sitters lie. But then Bby has never been a barometer for judging political successes in India.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Is this all because his seniority was overridden?? Or was he always a closet traitor?? How many more like him?

He probably harbours political ambitions unlike my school mate from SS Chttorgarh Gen Suhaag. Gen. Suhaag was approached by BJP to join him and Amit Shah went to his house also to meet him. He refused to join politics. He was rewarded for his neutral stance by BJP. Lt. Gen. Hodda was never in contention to be Army Chief. So no question of him being over ridden.