So we should just sit back and chill, army's requirement was too high, so no Guns for the soldiers. Isn't expediting important projects under the purvey of MoD
DAC Approves Measures to Simplify Defence Procurement Procedure
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How do you buy a gun when the army itself can't decide what it wants?
All rifle projects are on fast track already. It's the army's job to issue the RFP, not the govt's. Don't you know how this works?
I personally believe , it's been a mixed bag. Arguably , after St.Antony's Sphinx like attitude , anybody replacing him would look good.
The BJP's track record has been patchy . What we are seeing is a legacy of MP's dynamism in play . Modi's part in vesting the FM & DM to one entity was criminal . The fact that it took more than a year for us to get a dedicated DM is ridiculous. I still don't know what to make of NS.
Finally , budgets keep rising and falling . Within the limited resources , as of now , the MoD just seems to be keeping its head above the waters.
The Same goes for big ticket procurement of items . I believe the signal achievement of this government has been OROP & MII with the latter involving the pvt sector which in my opinion will have far reaching consequences in a positive way for our security architecture and indigenization but one requiring care & nourishing for at least a couple of decades before we see substantial process on the Design and make front .
I'm much more concerned at the total lack of reforms in the services & MoD. That could easily have been achieved . That doesn't require a budget or other resources . Just a road map and will to make strong decisions and insist on seeing it implemented the way you've envisioned it.Why has this government faltered on it
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MoD has undergone reforms. A lot of things have changed from the ground up. Basically a huge chunk of the bureaucratic structure has been changed.
IA is also undergoing major reforms.
Defence Ministry announces major reform in Indian Army - Republic World
Even DRDO has seen reforms.
Modernisation of DRDO
The final set of reforms, which is being stopped by the forces (read IAF) right now, is the CDS.
Even the new DM's attitude is good.
Defence Ministry will not be the same anymore, Nirmala Sitharaman is making these changes
I think that both you & I know , that these reforms in the IA were long overdue , peripheral and would have been carried out in due course irrespective of who's in charge . These are the low hanging fruit . Having said that I do not want to sound churlish and am willing to extend credit where it is due .
Ditto for the DRDO.
As far as the CDS , theatre commands , creation of new command groups viz Aerospace , Cyber Security , etc & integration of support functions of the services go we haven't even taken baby steps in that direction .Or maybe we have with no tangible results to show for .
Now to tackle the IAF's objection to the CDS or w.r.t the MoD , to more integration between the civilian & the services side of the MoD , you need consistency in decision making & tenure in ministership and a strong minister to bring ones will to prevail on a recalcitrant service . We haven't seen that till date .
I'd reserve comments on NS till May 2019 . It's been less than 6 months with her at the helm of affairs.
The MoD reforms have already been implemented since it was completely under Parrikar's control.
The CDS reforms are entirely up to the armed forces. Theater Commands is related to this. The IAF says they don't have enough assets, especially sharing force multipliers.
As for NS, she's just following on Parrikar's footsteps. As long as she is diligent, it will all be fine.
Any citations or references to prove the veracity of your statement? Has the complete integration between the civilian and military components of the MoD been accomplished ?
I thought the entire concept of theatre commands involved dissolving individual commands of respective services and reconstituting integrated commands of joint services utilising every resource available . You make it seem as though the surplus resources ( man & material ) will be used to form such theatre commands leaving individual services intact . Have I understood you right ?
Amen.The one positive quality about her is ,unlike MP , she doesn't shove her foot into her mouth .
Can you explain what you mean by integration?
We don't have enough resources to create TCs. For example, how do you split 3 Phalcons among multiple commands? We need to build up our air force to full strength and bring in more force multipliers before we start creating TCs.
The IAF says that TCs will drastically reduce the capability of the service, and one of the objectives of Gagan Shakti was to enforce their reason on the other services. It's because there are no TCs that allowed the IAF to move around assets throughout the bulk of the country during the exercises. So you could have one squadron operating over Pakistan, China and Malacca during the course of the exercise. If TCs are established, then that one squadron is stuck in one geographical area.
So if TCs are established, the first objective is to bring the IAF to full strength.
As per me, MP has been the best DM in the last 20 years. Too bad his tenure was short, but whatever he did was extremely fruitful. And the Rafale deal was the feather in his cap.
That's what I'm asking you to spell out since you've made the claim.
A bit dated , but unfortunately still very relevant .
I wanted your explanation because there is no such thing. I only said there have been major reforms within the MoD. MoD is mainly used to run the military, so we are talking about procurement, logistics, HR etc. The actual security decisions are made by the CCS composed of the NSA and top leadership, mainly the NSA.
The thing about TCs is they are all separate armies and air forces. Only the rich can pull it off.
Let's assume I need 2 commands of equal power. So I want 300,000 men, 10 squadrons, 50 ships under each command. And this command cannot interfere with another command. So my total need is 600,000 men, 20 squadrons, 100 ships.
But in the Indian system, I don't need such a large force. I need only 400,000 men, 15 squadrons and 75 ships in order to project power at the same level as the military force with TC in the above example. The reason is because I can share assets, logistics and move around forces when necessary.
In the current proposed TC system, the army and navy are ready to create TCs. The army will separate their force into the eastern and western areas of interest, while the navy will have a single command for the entire Indo-Pacific region. But the air force strength has to double before their assets can be shared between as many as 3 TCs.
In other words, non-TC forces are extremely flexible. TC forces are extremely rigid. In this current time, we have no need for TCs. It's extremely expensive and even the Chinese pulled it off after they became a $11T economy.
Yeah, we can do the CDS reform without the TC, but they are holding back because reforms shouldn't come in pieces.
In time, we will need TC, but we need to get rich first.
Dude, stop kidding, without MoD's approval no wing issues any RFP's, Do you know how this works?
Lets Count:
Since 2014:
How many 155mm towed guns delivered?
How many Tracked SPH's delivered?
How many Wheeled SPH's delivered?
How many MBRL's delivered?
How many Assault Rifles delivered?
How many ATGM's delivered?
How many IFV's delivered?
You are pulling on the wrong stick. Most of them have been ordered, in the process of being delivered, yet to be delivered or still in development. Every single one of the programs you named are highly active.
As for FICV, it's the private industry that has asked for modifications in the DPP and has been put on temporary hold. The OP is in fact referring to the SPM.