DAC Approves Measures to Simplify Defence Procurement Procedure

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The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met here today.

In continuation of its efforts to streamline defence procurement procedures and to reduce timelines so as to ensure timely delivery of equipment to the Armed Forces, the DAC discussed and approved various measures to simplify the defence procurement procedure. These measures will be incorporated in the DPP-16, the manual governing the defence procurement procedure. The significant changes inter-alia include devolution of powers within the Ministry of Defence and the Service Headquarters, concurrent running of the acquisition process instead of sequential stage clearance, deletion of repetitive processes, aligning of various documents with revised financial guidelines, amongst others. These measures will go a long way in obviating undue procedural delays and will hasten activities besides shrinking procurement timelines.

These amendments form part of the ongoing Business Process Re-engineering in Defence Capital procurements.

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The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met here today.

In continuation of its efforts to streamline defence procurement procedures and to reduce timelines so as to ensure timely delivery of equipment to the Armed Forces, the DAC discussed and approved various measures to simplify the defence procurement procedure. These measures will be incorporated in the DPP-16, the manual governing the defence procurement procedure. The significant changes inter-alia include devolution of powers within the Ministry of Defence and the Service Headquarters, concurrent running of the acquisition process instead of sequential stage clearance, deletion of repetitive processes, aligning of various documents with revised financial guidelines, amongst others. These measures will go a long way in obviating undue procedural delays and will hasten activities besides shrinking procurement timelines.

These amendments form part of the ongoing Business Process Re-engineering in Defence Capital procurements.

SRR/NAo/Nampi/HS

This could be big :oops: @Abingdonboy @Parthu @Milspec @randomradio @vstol Jockey @Nick @ni8mare @GuardianRED
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Any reforms is a good thing.
 
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The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met here today.

In continuation of its efforts to streamline defence procurement procedures and to reduce timelines so as to ensure timely delivery of equipment to the Armed Forces, the DAC discussed and approved various measures to simplify the defence procurement procedure. These measures will be incorporated in the DPP-16, the manual governing the defence procurement procedure. The significant changes inter-alia include devolution of powers within the Ministry of Defence and the Service Headquarters, concurrent running of the acquisition process instead of sequential stage clearance, deletion of repetitive processes, aligning of various documents with revised financial guidelines, amongst others. These measures will go a long way in obviating undue procedural delays and will hasten activities besides shrinking procurement timelines.

These amendments form part of the ongoing Business Process Re-engineering in Defence Capital procurements.

SRR/NAo/Nampi/HS

This could be big :oops: @Abingdonboy @Parthu @Milspec @randomradio @vstol Jockey @Nick @ni8mare @GuardianRED
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I have some serious doubts about the sincerity of MoD's current dispensation to actually create any positive changes on the ground. hopefully I am proven wrong.
 
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I have some serious doubts about the sincerity of MoD's current dispensation to actually create any positive changes on the ground. hopefully I am proven wrong.
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The govt's been trying to find a healthy balance between imports and domestic production. Imports are down to 60% of the capital budget.
 
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The govt's been trying to find a healthy balance between imports and domestic production. Imports are down to 60% of the capital budget.
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My assessment is that the government has not addressed poorly equipped troops, lack of proper stock of ammunition, poor preparedness and extremely poor acquisition expediency.

Parrikar at-least had some creative ideas, Current RM , I am not sure has any other credentials that tom-toming partyline on tv channels.
 
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Milspec said:
My assessment is that the government has not addressed poorly equipped troops, lack of proper stock of ammunition, poor preparedness and extremely poor acquisition expediency.
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Money. We lost about 4-5 years' worth of time because of St Anthony's "anti-corruption inquisition" that went nowhere and we lost 7+ years of economic growth because of the UPA. Let's not forget that our currency has devalued by 30% since 2011, something that shouldn't have happened. So all imports are now 30% more expensive, and that's 60% of our current capital budget, 70% before Modi. Whatever money was left went into the most critical projects.

Apart from that, the modernization requirement is too big and the time for implementation is too short. More established countries plan their purchases in a much better way than we do. Regardless a lot of projects have been implemented under Modi already.

Parrikar at-least had some creative ideas, Current RM , I am not sure has any other credentials that tom-toming partyline on tv channels.
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The new RM is implementing Parrikar's policies. Parrikar's finished all the ground work already, they are just fine-tuning his work now.
 
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Money. We lost about 4-5 years' worth of time because of St Anthony's "anti-corruption inquisition" that went nowhere and we lost 7+ years of economic growth because of the UPA. Let's not forget that our currency has devalued by 30% since 2011, something that shouldn't have happened. So all imports are now 30% more expensive, and that's 60% of our current capital budget, 70% before Modi. Whatever money was left went into the most critical projects.

Apart from that, the modernization requirement is too big and the time for implementation is too short. More established countries plan their purchases in a much better way than we do. Regardless a lot of projects have been implemented under Modi already.



The new RM is implementing Parrikar's policies. Parrikar's finished all the ground work already, they are just fine-tuning his work now.
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hehe, Defence fine tuning by ones who couldn't tell the difference between a tuning fork and pitchfork.
In last 3 years how much has been Defence Allocation utilization?
 
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More than 90%.
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India’s Defence Budget 2017-18: An Analysis | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

The underutilisation is across the services, although the Army accounts for over 50 per cent of total unspent funds. What is of greater concern is that underutilisation has become a recurring feature of India’s defence budget, despite numerous improvements in the procurement procedures undertaken by the MoD in the past two-and-a-half decades. Given that steady modernisation is a prerequisite for building up a strong military capability, the MoD has a big task ahead to bring in efficiency and expeditiousness in the procurement process.


Rs 37,000 crore of defence ministry's modernisation budget remains unutilised; army worst spender

Rs 37,000 crore of defence ministry's modernisation budget remains unutilised; army worst spender

Defence budget: Surrendering funds has put brakes on India's military modernisation
Defence budget: Surrendering funds has put brakes on India's military modernisation - Firstpost

The just announced Defence Budget 2016-2017 is the lowest ever since the 1962 war. The ‘India First’ commitment of the present government is unquestionable but how is the Defence Budget allocated and how is the long term integrated procurement plan (LTIPP) chalked out in absence of a National Security Strategy, without defining National Security Objectives and without a Comprehensive Defence Review? This vital anomaly in India’s defence setup cannot be resolved unless the higher defence structures of India are remodeled and military professional brought into the MoD and the defence industrial complex.
 
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India’s Defence Budget 2017-18: An Analysis | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

The underutilisation is across the services, although the Army accounts for over 50 per cent of total unspent funds. What is of greater concern is that underutilisation has become a recurring feature of India’s defence budget, despite numerous improvements in the procurement procedures undertaken by the MoD in the past two-and-a-half decades. Given that steady modernisation is a prerequisite for building up a strong military capability, the MoD has a big task ahead to bring in efficiency and expeditiousness in the procurement process.


Rs 37,000 crore of defence ministry's modernisation budget remains unutilised; army worst spender

Rs 37,000 crore of defence ministry's modernisation budget remains unutilised; army worst spender

Defence budget: Surrendering funds has put brakes on India's military modernisation
Defence budget: Surrendering funds has put brakes on India's military modernisation - Firstpost

The just announced Defence Budget 2016-2017 is the lowest ever since the 1962 war. The ‘India First’ commitment of the present government is unquestionable but how is the Defence Budget allocated and how is the long term integrated procurement plan (LTIPP) chalked out in absence of a National Security Strategy, without defining National Security Objectives and without a Comprehensive Defence Review? This vital anomaly in India’s defence setup cannot be resolved unless the higher defence structures of India are remodeled and military professional brought into the MoD and the defence industrial complex.
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That 37000 Cr stuff is irrelevant.

2016-17
https://idsa.in/issuebrief/india-defence-budget-2017-18_lkbehera_030217
A noticeable aspect of the Table 1 is the underutilisation of capital allocations provided in the 2016-17 budget, resulting in a surrender of Rs. 6,970 crore (8.1 per cent). The surrendered amount has largely been absorbed in the revenue expenditure which has increased from its original estimates by Rs. 5,876 crore.

So utilisation level's at 92%.

2017-18
The forces are actually asking for more money.
65% funds spent, defence ministry seeks Rs 22,000 cr more for modernisation
Having already spent 65 per cent of its budgetary allocation for capital expenditure, defence ministry is seeking an additional Rs 22,000 crore from the government for defence modernisation at the Revised Estimates (RE) stage.

Sources in the ministry told The Indian Express that by mid-October, the Indian Air Force had already spent 82 per cent of its capital budget, the navy 57 per cent and the army 55 per cent. The overall spending of 65 per cent of capital budget within first six months of the financial year shows a very good pace of expenditure by the ministry, sources added.
 
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That 37000 Cr stuff is irrelevant.

2016-17
India’s Defence Budget 2017-18: An Analysis | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
A noticeable aspect of the Table 1 is the underutilisation of capital allocations provided in the 2016-17 budget, resulting in a surrender of Rs. 6,970 crore (8.1 per cent). The surrendered amount has largely been absorbed in the revenue expenditure which has increased from its original estimates by Rs. 5,876 crore.

So utilisation level's at 92%.

2017-18
The forces are actually asking for more money.
65% funds spent, defence ministry seeks Rs 22,000 cr more for modernisation
Having already spent 65 per cent of its budgetary allocation for capital expenditure, defence ministry is seeking an additional Rs 22,000 crore from the government for defence modernisation at the Revised Estimates (RE) stage.

Sources in the ministry told The Indian Express that by mid-October, the Indian Air Force had already spent 82 per cent of its capital budget, the navy 57 per cent and the army 55 per cent. The overall spending of 65 per cent of capital budget within first six months of the financial year shows a very good pace of expenditure by the ministry, sources added.
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Offcourse the forces are asking for more, this government has had the poorest defence budget in 14-15 since 62 War.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...end-lowest-since-1962-war-114022001397_1.html

The Army vice chief noted that capability development is almost impossible with the current capital expenditure outlay because the budget allocation does not cater to the scale of military modernization that is urgently required for the three services. In the army’s case, the budget allocated 268.16 billion Indian rupees ($4.14 billion) for modernization against the Army’s demand of 445.73 billion rupees, which is barely 60 percent of the requested funds.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/indias-military-budget-challenge/

Insas rifles replacement languishing,
Consistent Ammo Shortages,
A country almost 1/5th your size outguns us in Arty,
shitty orop
LCA still languishing
FICV up in air,
Shortage in a2a refuelllers
Shortage in Awacs,
NGMV in freezer
 
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Offcourse the forces are asking for more, this government has had the poorest defence budget in 14-15 since 62 War.
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It's still the highest defence budget in history. The fact is, even 3% of the GDP is not enough. So there's no realistic ceiling here.

For our economic and population strength, we need a defence budget that goes into many hundreds of billions of dollars. Until that happens, we are always in shortage.

But this shortage is highly specific to that years's expenditure. Meaning, we need more money than allocated, but the allocation itself has been sustainable.

The Army vice chief noted that capability development is almost impossible with the current capital expenditure outlay because the budget allocation does not cater to the scale of military modernization that is urgently required for the three services. In the army’s case, the budget allocated 268.16 billion Indian rupees ($4.14 billion) for modernization against the Army’s demand of 445.73 billion rupees, which is barely 60 percent of the requested funds.

India’s Military Budget Challenge

Insas rifles replacement languishing,
Consistent Ammo Shortages,
A country almost 1/5th your size outguns us in Arty,
shitty orop
LCA still languishing
FICV up in air,
Shortage in a2a refuelllers
Shortage in Awacs,
NGMV in freezer
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The entire military has a shortage. If you keep typing the shortage in a list, it will never end. It's not supposed to end in the first place.

But since Modi, we have signed or in the process of signing a lot of deals, much more than we did in the previous 5 years. Apache, Chinook, 11 frigates, 464 new tanks, MRSAM, SPYDER SAM, Rafale, 6 new SSNs,, extra funding for Vikrant, new SSBNs, Akash SAM, Brahmos, S-400 etc. So many other projects have gotten a push or are nearing completion, LCA, LCH, LUH, Rustom, Ghatak, just the air force stuff there. What we have purchased is already massive, in such a short duration to boot.

This is not counting the extra funding that has gone into our strategic arsenal through other budgets.

We have bought stuff which were at higher priority. The fact is all the tenders have been pushed into the second term because that's how the bureaucracy works. Many of those, the Congress should have done in their term had they not screwed up.

Overall, I'm very optimistic about this govt.
 
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Good that you are, I do not share your views.

When on a daily basis soldiers on the LoC get outgunned by Pakistani soldiers, and is not considered high priority, unicorns like Attack helicopters are meaningless. While we are busy preparing for wars that we would like to fight, we are unfit for battles we actually are fighting.
 
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Good that you are, I do not share your views.

When on a daily basis soldiers on the LoC get outgunned by Pakistani soldiers, and is not considered high priority, unicorns like Attack helicopters are meaningless. While we are busy preparing for wars that we would like to fight, we are unfit for battles we actually are fighting.
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Nope, we are not outgunned by the Pakistanis at any point at the LoC.

Also, when it comes to small skirmishes that we see at LoC, even weaker enemies can be on par with a stronger enemy in such conditions. Even Mexico can do the same against the US in such situations.

The LoC casualties have been completely lopsided in favour of India at the LoC. And the material damage to Pakistan has been even more immense.

Army killed 138 Pak soldiers in 2017 in tactical operations along LoC
The Indian Army killed 138 Pakistan Army personnel in 2017 in tactical operations and retaliatory cross-border firings along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, government intelligence sources said on Wednesday.

The Indian Army lost 28 soldiers during the same period along the LoC, the sources said.

If Hellfire were here, he would tell you we are even using retired tanks at the LoC. Those HESH rounds are doing some real damage there. Do you really wanna compare a rifle vs a tank gun.

Also both IA and PA have been using pretty much the same stuff for decades now. So there's no real disadvantage there.

Whenever you see Pakistanis crying for talks, you know they are being pressured from all sides.
 
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Nope, we are not outgunned by the Pakistanis at any point at the LoC.

Also, when it comes to small skirmishes that we see at LoC, even weaker enemies can be on par with a stronger enemy in such conditions. Even Mexico can do the same against the US in such situations.

The LoC casualties have been completely lopsided in favour of India at the LoC. And the material damage to Pakistan has been even more immense.

Army killed 138 Pak soldiers in 2017 in tactical operations along LoC
The Indian Armykilled 138 PakistanArmy personnel in 2017 in tactical operations and retaliatory cross-border firingsalong the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, government intelligence sources said on Wednesday.

The Indian Armylost 28 soldiers during the same period along the LoC, the sources said.

If Hellfire were here, he would tell you we are even using retired tanks at the LoC. Those HESH rounds are doing some real damage there. Do you really wanna compare a rifle vs a tank gun.

Also both IA and PA have been using pretty much the same stuff for decades now. So there's no real disadvantage there.

Whenever you see Pakistanis crying for talks, you know they are being pressured from all sides.
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It's hard to believe that you are defending this government's decision of not providing decent rifles to soldiers.
 
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What's makes you think the govt had any part to play in this? It's the army's fault.
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BS.
MOD axed a 2011-launched global tender for 66000 rifles in 2015. Which had CZ bren, and others in contention. Without a fresh RFP or new trials, zero expediency.

If bringing in decommissioned tanks to do a job of good assault rifle passes as a solution, then I guess we have nothing to worry about, whats next are we going to stick the shiny new ah64's on the LOC and fire from ground and applaud at ingenuity.
 
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