Brahmos and Nirbhay Cruise Missiles : News, Updates and Discussions

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If LCA is to be exported to Bangladesh, SL, Phillipines or even ME countries then it needs Anti ship weapon capability and an indigenous option of brahmos-NG is best suited. It will give it unprecedented advantage over JFs or any other jet in the category.

A small jet with low RCS and capable of hitting ships at 250-300 km is always welcome.
Currently available sub sonic missiles with half the weight of NG can do the job. Customer don't care it's indian or not.
 

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Countries like Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia do care if the weapon is halal(non Israeli) or not
There is no contemporary Israel Ashm. Market is shared mostly by Russian, French, American and new NSM.

Question is if it has to be indian or not. Not any other country specific.
 

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So.....Brahmos export celebration is underway, based on reports of two obscure and unknown websites?
Celebration lol, posters in here just posted the news but there isn't a single post going gaga about it...and just cuz a website is unknown to you or isn't pakistani doesn't mean it's one of those disinfo thingy card you can always play

Straits Times - reports primarily on East & SE Asian News
Philippines signs agreement with India for world's fastest supersonic missiles

The Star - Malaysian outlet primarily focused on Malaysia and SE Asian countries
Philippines signs pact with India for world's fastest supersonic missiles

Janes - I don't think this needs an explanation
Philippines, India line up BrahMos deal

Do you really wanna know what celebration and circle jerk is!!...go to the project azm thread on the green forum where people have premature ejaculations and cured erectly disfunctions just by the word "Azm" which doesn't have anything on paper yet.
 
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India Signs 1st Export Deal For BrahMos Cruise Missiles With The Philippines



ByAakriti Sharma
March 3, 2021
The Philippines will be the first country to receive the Indian-made BrahMos cruise missile, considered the world’s fastest supersonic missile.
The two countries have signed an agreement for a potential supply of the weapon, which would boost the Philippines’ coastal defense, according to reports.

Jointly developed by India and Russia, the BrahMos is a medium-range supersonic (faster than the speed of sound) missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, fighter jets, or land.
The Straits Times has reported that Philippine Defence Undersecretary Raymund Elefante and Indian Ambassador Shambu Kumaran on Tuesday signed an implementing agreement at Camp Aguinaldo, headquarters of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. The Asian country will be procuring defense material and equipment from India.
Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana was quoted by The Straits Times as saying: “We are buying the BrahMos missiles”. He did not reveal any further details of the procurement.
The agreement has been described by the defense secretary as a guide for the Philippines and India on “policies and procedures in the defense procurement” and will also serve as a “legal framework for the procurement under the government-to-government modality”.
Ambassador Kumaran and BrahMos Aerospace chief executive and managing director Sudhir Mishra had met the Philippine Army and Philippine Marines officials on separate occasions in January this year.
BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is a product of a consortium of Indian and Russian industries. They have been designed, developed, and produced by BrahMos Aerospace, a joint venture company set up by India’s state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Mashinostroyenia of Russia.
The name BrahMos represents “the fury” of India’s Brahmaputra river and “the grace” of the Russian river Moskva.


The earliest versions of the supersonic cruise missiles have been in service with the Indian Navy and the Indian Army since 2005 and 2007 respectively. Known as the stand-off range weapons, these types of the missile are fired from a range sufficient to allow the attacker to evade defensive fire from the adversary.
Last year, India had tested an extended range of around 400 kilometers, as compared to its initial range of 290 kilometers, with more versions of higher ranges above 1,000 kilometers currently under development.
Since the missile system can be used as both coastal defense and ground attack, it would provide the Philippine military firepower in the face of threats from Chinese aggression in the South China Sea.
The Philippines has been at the receiving end of China’s expansionist plans in the South China Sea. It has recently expressed concerns over China’s new Coast Guard law, which allows the Chinese agency to open fire at foreign vessels at the slightest suspicion.
The latest agreement on the BrahMos missile marks the strengthening of strategic ties between India and the Philippines under the Modi government’s Act East Policy. Don McLain Gill, an international affairs researcher, has suggested Manila may use this partnership to get out of China’s increasing influence in the region.


“China has significantly increased its military capabilities and coercive measures in Southeast Asia, particularly in the disputed South China Sea where Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines also have territorial claims.
China’s expansive claims coupled with its growing assertion and disdain for a rules-based order leave little room for negotiation between it and the other claimants,” he writes for Observer Research Foundation (ORF).
At the same time, the current deal marks India’s increasing defense footprint in the Indo-Pacific. New Delhi had earlier extended a $100-million defense-related line of credit to Manila. The Economic Times has reported that the arrangement was concluded following a foreign ministers-level meet in November 2020.
The two sides had agreed to implement the arrangement through “military training and education, capacity building, regular goodwill visits and procurement of defense equipment”.
The strategic ties have been growing since 2018 when a bilateral Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on defense and logistics was signed. Another MoU on sharing white shipping information—non-military/non-government shipping vessel information—was inked in 2020.

https://eurasiantimes.com/india-sig...cruise-missiles-with-the-philippines-reports/
Philippines signs agreement with India for world's fastest supersonic missiles
We should wait till until the first delivery is made before celebrating. This is just an agreement, remember there is a lot of slip between the cup & lip. It would have been great if we had kept this as secret instead of making it public.
 
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Do you really wanna know what celebration and circle jerk is!!...go to the project azm thread on the green forum where people have premature ejaculations and cured erectly disfunctions just by the word "Azm" which doesn't have anything on paper yet.
Seriously, that particular thread has produced enough documentation worth of design of two aircrafts without a single plane flying or HECK a single confirmed fact. I mean, for all its stupidity and faults our damn Tejas still flies, unlike a certain Azm. May be Pakistan should rename Azm to Bazm (بزم) for what it does for Pakistani crowd. @safriz will agree.
 
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Do you really wanna know what celebration and circle jerk is!!...go to the project azm thread on the green forum where people have premature ejaculations and cured erectly disfunctions just by the word "Azm" which doesn't have anything on paper yet.
Lol in a span of two years they went from f16 => su35 => f16 => j10 => f16 => azm => f16 => jf 17 block 3 => f16 => j10 => f16 In a single thread
 

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Lol in a span of two years they went from f16 => su35 => f16 => j10 => f16 => azm => f16 => jf 17 block 3 => f16 => j10 => f16 In a single thread
Don’t forget to add "testing of Gripen”, “knowledge of RAFAEL from brother Qatar” and long list of similar funny claims.
Riyasat e Poodena is funny place. And that explains why they get High ranking in what is called “Happiness Index” 😀
 
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Don’t forget to add "testing of Gripen”, “knowledge of RAFAEL from brother Qatar” and long list of similar funny claims.
Riyasat e Poodena is funny place. And that explains why they get High ranking in what is called “Happiness Index” 😀
Indians and their "choti choti khushiyaa" 😅😅😅😅
Carry on.
 
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We should wait till until the first delivery is made before celebrating. This is just an agreement, remember there is a lot of slip between the cup & lip. It would have been great if we had kept this as secret instead of making it public.
Posting a news doesn't equate to celebrating. Secondly, it wasn't an Indian media outlet which published the news but they were South East Asian outlets along with Janes
 
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Have we indigenised R&D of the ramjets of any of the current iterations of the Brahmos? Aren't they all coming from Russia? @Gautam
As far as I know here is how the ramjet engine IP of the Brahmos stands:

Brahmos Block I
In service limited in quantity
290km ranged
Cruise speed: Mach 2.8
Max speed: Mach 3
Limited Sea skimming capabilities
Engine: 3D55(100% Russian IP, manufactured at NPO Mashinostroyeniya)

Brahmos Block II
In service & widely available

290km ranged
Cruise speed: Mach 2.8
Max speed: Mach 3
Sea skimming at 10m
Capable of performing a terminal stage evasive "S" maneuver
Engine: modified 3D55 (Russian manufactured) with a new nozzle designed by DRDL & manufactured by Brahmos Aerospace

Brahmos Block III
In service & widely available
290km ranged
Cruise speed: Mach 2.8
Max speed: Mach 3
Sea skimming at 10m
Capable of performing a terminal stage evasive "S" maneuver
Steep diving capability for mountain warfare
Engine: modified 3D55 (Indian manufactured with a few critical parts like injectors imported from Russia) with a new nozzle designed by DRDL & manufactured by Brahmos Aerospace

Brahmos-A
In service limited in quantity
600km ranged
Cruise speed: Mach 2.8 (probably)
Max speed: Mach 3 (probably)
Sea skimming at 10m
Capable of performing a terminal stage evasive "S" maneuver
Steep diving capability for targeting bunkers
Engine: New unnamed engine designed by DRDL & Brahmos Aerospace based on the 3D55 design. Manufactured entirely in India by Brahmos Aerospace & its suppliers.

Brahmos Block IV
Under testing

Targeted range: 650km (Phase 1) to be upgraded to 800km (Phase 2) later
Range achieved so far: 400-450km
Cruise speed: ??
Max speed: ??
Sea skimming at 10m
Capable of performing a terminal stage evasive "S" maneuver
Steep diving capability for mountain warfare
Engine: The same unnamed engine as the Brahmos-A only larger in size. A new hydrocarbon based fuel has been developed for the Block IV with the intention of pushing the max speed to near Mach 5. The cruise speed (based on the fuel burn rate) will be set based on the target range.

Brahmos-A Mk-2(?!?!)
Under development/Not tested yet
Targeted range: 1500km
Engine: Probably the same as Brahmos-A but with the new fuel.

Brahmos-NG/Brahmos-M
Under development/Not tested yet
Targeted range: 290km
Targeted cruise speed: Mach 3.5
Engine: The new one except in smaller size than the Block IV. The overall missile is targeted to be 50% lighter & 3m shorter than the Block III variant, allowing the missile to be mounted on smaller ships of the Navy.
 

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Brahmos-NG/Brahmos-M
Under development/Not tested yet
Targeted range: 290km
Targeted cruise speed: Mach 3.5
Engine: The new one except in smaller size than the Block IV. The overall missile is targeted to be 50% lighter & 3m shorter than the Block III variant, allowing the missile to be mounted on smaller ships of the Navy.

The question is whether this & Nirbhay would fit in the same VLS.
 

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The question is whether this & Nirbhay would fit in the same VLS.
In theory they should fit the same VLS.

Nirbhay missile
Length: 6 m
Diameter: 0.52 m
Weight: 1.5 tons

Brahmos Block III
Length: 8.4 m
Diameter: 0.6 m
Weight: 3 tons

And targeted specs of Brahmos NG
Length: 5.4 m (3m less than Block III)
Diameter: ?? (should be less than Block III)
Weight: 1.5 tons (50% of Block III)

Remember the Brahmos NG specs we know is from the time when India was outside the MTCR. The range of the NG was kept limited to 290km then. That may not be the case anymore. Also Nirbhay project is now closed & in its place we are going to get the ITCM. Who knows what size that is going to have.

Nirbhay's 1500km range seemed alright for 2013, when it began testing. Now we have a Brahmos variant that may go up to that range. Many of the global peers of the Nirbhay missile have significantly greater range, we need to keep pace here. May be instead of bringing the Brahmos down to Nirbhay's size we should do the opposite. Make the ITCM as big as Brahmos Block III, like the Russian Kalibr missile. That should increase the range by 500 km at least.
 

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The question is whether this & Nirbhay would fit in the same VLS.
Why shouldn't it? Russian VLS are huge. Nirbhay is western specissile which should even fit in Mark 41 VLS.

We should make UVLS by excluding brahmos family. Astra VL, Barak 8, Nirbhay and XRSAM maybe.