Brahmos and Nirbhay Cruise Missiles : News, Updates and Discussions

jetray

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Nirbhay failed 3 out of the 6 tests. That's a meagre 50% success rate and IA would no way go for that. I'm not saying DRDO personnel are manning the systems but they must've given the few produced for test trails to IA
Do you really think there is even 80% success rate among other missiles in the world? Instead of yawning & yapping we should use it and try to gradually improve the missile over a period of time. Cost of buying systems from outside is exorbitant and at the end of the day cost/performance ratio will certainly lead us to produce locally. Its better to start now and improve on it instead of being in the same situation 5 years later.
 

Hydra

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Is there a prior example of a major clean sheet weapon system skipping regular trails and going to production? It could be possible in the small arms front not on technically complex and expensive systems.
Pinakas were used during kargil before concluding the user trials.
 

Gautam

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This article offers some explanation of the Nirbhay missile conundrum :

India moves terrain-hugging Nirbhay missiles with 1,000-km range to defend LAC

The Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile will be inducted into the army and navy after the seventh trial next month

Updated: Oct 01, 2020; 06:36 IST
By Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
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Photo: Nirbhay long-range, sub-sonic cruise missile in flight.

India will formally induct the Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile into the Indian Army and Navy after the seventh trial scheduled next month but has already moved a limited number of the missiles to the Line of Actual Control where Indian soldiers are locked in a tense standoff with China’s PLA.


The 1,000 km range missile has a single shot kill ratio of more than 90 per cent. It has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), people familiar with the development told Hindustan Times hours after India test-fired an extended-range BrahMos surface-to-surface supersonic cruise missile that can hit targets 400 km away.

The Defence Acquisition Council headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh has cleared the formal induction of the Nirbhay subsonic missile. The military, however, did not wait for the formality to deploy the new missile and has already moved some of them to defend the LAC against China.

The missile, which travels at a speed of 0.7 Mach, has both terrain-hugging and sea-skimming capability that helps it avoid detection and counter-measures.


At the LAC, the PLA’s western theatre command has deployed stand-off weapons up to 2,000 km range and long-range surface-to-air missiles in Tibet and Xinjiang after the Ladakh stand-off started in May this year. The Chinese deployment is not limited to occupied Aksai Chin but is located in depth positions from Kashgar, Hotan, Lhasa and Nyingchi along the 3,488 km Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile.
The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled ramjet capable of ranges over 500 km.

These new-age weapons will be based on solid-fuelled ducted ramjet (SFDR) technology that can be used for air-to-air missiles as well as long-range supersonic cruise missiles. The technology has been tested by the DRDO twice - on 30 May 2018, and 8 February 2019.

“The new class of cruise missile will have a solid rocket booster along with supersonic speed using SFDR technology. The range of missiles can be decided on the basis of mission objectives,” said an Indian missile expert.

It is understood that the new class of cruise missiles (yet to be named) will have a better circular error of probability than the BrahMos with a heavy conventional warhead to target airbases and ships of the adversary.



So there is an SFRD based cruise missile coming up. Or did they confuse SFDR with LFRJ ?
 

_Anonymous_

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Told you, clueless.

Inducted into Navy ! :ROFLMAO:
Regardless, the news of a few Nirbhay sub sonic SS - CM , which was causing you a lot of belly ache is confirmed. I told you Shishir Gupta is a reliable source. He doesn't pull things ffrom his hat or *censored*. Wait for some time & clarity on the Ramjet based missiles will emerge too. Watch this space.

Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile. The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled ramjet capable of ranges over 500 km.

Kindly edit your post to highlight sentences which are invisible. This is how it looks like.
 
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Ashwin

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Regardless, the news of a few Nirbhay sub sonic SS - CM , which was causing you a lot of belly ache is confirmed. I told you Shishir Gupta is a reliable source. He doesn't pull things ffrom his hat or *censored*. Wait for some time & clarity on the Ramjet based missiles will emerge too. Watch this space.
:ROFLMAO: He wrote two articles with too many mistakes. SFRD with a cruise missile, not ramjet LFRJ. Hope you understand how different they are. Then A-to-A Brahmos-A to Induction to the navy. He is indeed making stuff from *censored*.

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LFRJ project is a decade old one which will first go into STAR 'target missile'. And read again we didn't test the indigenous engine just booster!.
 

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Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile. The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled ramjet capable of ranges over 500 km.
This is the hidden part.Now read the article again for better clarity on the topic.
 

_Anonymous_

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:ROFLMAO: He wrote two articles with too many mistakes. SFRD with a cruise missile, not ramjet LFRJ. Hope you understand how different they are. Then A-to-A Brahmos-A to Induction to the navy. He is indeed making stuff from *censored*.


JFRJ project is a decade old one which will first go into STAR 'target missile'. And read again we didn't test the indigenous engine just booster!. Why are you getting all nauseous?
Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile. The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled ramjet capable of ranges over 500 km.

This is the hidden part.Now read the article again for better clarity on the topic.
 

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This article offers some explanation of the Nirbhay missile conundrum :

India moves terrain-hugging Nirbhay missiles with 1,000-km range to defend LAC

The Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile will be inducted into the army and navy after the seventh trial next month

Updated: Oct 01, 2020; 06:36 IST
By Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
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Photo: Nirbhay long-range, sub-sonic cruise missile in flight.

India will formally induct the Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile into the Indian Army and Navy after the seventh trial scheduled next month but has already moved a limited number of the missiles to the Line of Actual Control where Indian soldiers are locked in a tense standoff with China’s PLA.


The 1,000 km range missile has a single shot kill ratio of more than 90 per cent. It has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), people familiar with the development told Hindustan Times hours after India test-fired an extended-range BrahMos surface-to-surface supersonic cruise missile that can hit targets 400 km away.

The Defence Acquisition Council headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh has cleared the formal induction of the Nirbhay subsonic missile. The military, however, did not wait for the formality to deploy the new missile and has already moved some of them to defend the LAC against China.

The missile, which travels at a speed of 0.7 Mach, has both terrain-hugging and sea-skimming capability that helps it avoid detection and counter-measures.


At the LAC, the PLA’s western theatre command has deployed stand-off weapons up to 2,000 km range and long-range surface-to-air missiles in Tibet and Xinjiang after the Ladakh stand-off started in May this year. The Chinese deployment is not limited to occupied Aksai Chin but is located in depth positions from Kashgar, Hotan, Lhasa and Nyingchi along the 3,488 km Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile. The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled ramjet capable of ranges over 500 km.

These new-age weapons will be based on solid-fuelled ducted ramjet (SFDR) technology that can be used for air-to-air missiles as well as long-range supersonic cruise missiles. The technology has been tested by the DRDO twice - on 30 May 2018, and 8 February 2019.

“The new class of cruise missile will have a solid rocket booster along with supersonic speed using SFDR technology. The range of missiles can be decided on the basis of mission objectives,” said an Indian missile expert.

It is understood that the new class of cruise missiles (yet to be named) will have a better circular error of probability than the BrahMos with a heavy conventional warhead to target airbases and ships of the adversary.



So there is an SFRD based cruise missile coming up. Or did they confuse SFDR with LFRJ ?
May be what it claimed here is true, DRDO may be trying something very similar to ASM 3. Japanese trying to build an ASM 3 supersonic anti-ship missile based on a Variable Flow Ducted Rocket Engine (VFDRE). It's an air-launched version.

ASM 3 - JAPAN




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