Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions

they're all launched and even the Vindhyagiri is under going sea trials right now........ I assume you mean commission in which case yes, should be done by the end of the year.
So does that mean we have launched 6 of the Nilgiri class frigates as of now and will finishing launching all 7 by the end of the year?

Also, am I the only one who thinks our ships look cooler than the Japanese or US ones?
 
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VLS is better. Need 360 deg protection.
Bhargavastra is so tiny that u can add 64 cells on both side , it take only half of space of a 4×4 pickup truck bed

Uts better to have integrated at some angle inside the sides . May be 4*32 , 2*32 on each side integrated into ship structure itself
(A Smmall rectangle block cutout like we have for torpedo but higher and angled 15-20° upward)

No need for any swiral or vls. Reduce complexity

Swiral may be for manpads like hhq10

And vls for vlsrsam or naval akash ng(need anti ship ballistic protection on ships specially considering smash from pak)

You have an incorrect notion of how air defense is conducted.

What you need to ask is what targets were destroyed on the ground, not how many missiles got through.

In order to conserve ammunition, the SAM commander will allow some missiles to go through if the missile is targeting areas of no consequence or not of vital importance. For example, if an enemy missile's headed towards an empty hangar, the commander will let the enemy missile hit the target because rebuilding the hangar is cheaper than wasting an Arrow missile.

No, THAAD isn't better than what the Israelis operate. In fact, Trump wants to replicate Israeli missile defenses for America. Israel's defenses are far more strategic in nature, whereas THAAD has been designed for mobility and quick insertion into new areas. Both its radar and interceptor are inferior to the Arrow system. The Israeli system is a generation ahead, and India's is even more advanced.
I believe that israeli air defence are better than that of us in general , they also have lots of data to feed , heck i have seen even tamir(iron dome( interception some ballistuc missiles which is crazy for such missile

but then how indias become better ?any source to back up ?

I guess we should mass produce our anti bmd, specially ad1 , but we should also take 2 squardan of arrow 2/3 to protect jamnagar/gujrat refinaries , a single hit on such strategic thing is disaster
 
Bhargavastra is so tiny that u can add 64 cells on both side , it take only half of space of a 4×4 pickup truck bed

Uts better to have integrated at some angle inside the sides . May be 4*32 , 2*32 on each side integrated into ship structure itself
(A Smmall rectangle block cutout like we have for torpedo but higher and angled 15-20° upward)

No need for any swiral or vls. Reduce complexity

Swiral may be for manpads like hhq10

And vls for vlsrsam or naval akash ng(need anti ship ballistic protection on ships specially considering smash from pak)


I believe that israeli air defence are better than that of us in general , they also have lots of data to feed , heck i have seen even tamir(iron dome( interception some ballistuc missiles which is crazy for such missile

but then how indias become better ?any source to back up ?

I guess we should mass produce our anti bmd, specially ad1 , but we should also take 2 squardan of arrow 2/3 to protect jamnagar/gujrat refinaries , a single hit on such strategic thing is disaster

The Israelis were deeply involved in the development of our IADS. They gave us next gen versions of their own systems. We have since indigenized them with more advanced technologies. We are basically a generation ahead using derivatives of their own tech.

Iron Dome is meant to intercept rockets, not Iranian BMs.

I mean yeah , but there are videoes which dhows iron dome successfully intercepting some slow speed ballistuc missile

And if we can upgrade then isn't Israeli too can ? I mean they have more war time data including saturation attack handling , and situation when interceptor number is low

They use Barak 8, David's Sling, and Arrow against BMs. Iron Dome was made for rockets and artillery.

Maybe they can upgrade in the future, but today we use more advanced radars and other systems.
 
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Length, diameter, mass and performance all of these parameters puts Tamir missile in the same catagory as short ranged CAMM/IRIS-SL (20-30km range) or even VL-AMRAAM/NASAMS
It's designed to intercept artillery shells/Rockets, things that mainly follow simple ballistic path.

I don't think, We have any indigenous systems in this catagory.
VSHORD is a tier below
Akash is a tier above this.

Main advantage of Tamir interceptor is its relatively low cost.

Bhagvastra and Future ship based DEW will complement each other.
 
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Ministry of Defence​

INDIAN NAVY'S EASTERN FLEET SHIPS UDAYGIRI AND KAVARATTI ARRIVE AT HO CHI MINH CITY, VIETNAM​

Posted On: 23 JUN 2026 4:08PM by PIB Delhi

INS Udaygiri, a stealth frigate, and INS Kavaratti, an anti-submarine warfare corvette, both indigenously designed and constructed warships of the Indian Navy, arrived at Nha Rong Port, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, on 22 Jun 2026 during their operational deployment to the South East Asia region.

The ships, led by RAdm Alok Ananda, Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, were accorded a warm ceremonial welcome by personnel from the Vietnam People's Navy, representatives of the HCMC People’s Committee, and port authorities. The reception reflected the close, longstanding ties between the two navies and the growing maritime partnership between India and Vietnam.

During the port call, the Indian Navy and the Vietnam People’s Navy will undertake a series of professional interactions, cross-deck exchanges, sporting fixtures and community outreach activities. Senior leadership interactions are also scheduled, offering an opportunity to exchange perspectives and further strengthen bilateral naval cooperation.

This deployment marks the Indian Navy’s first major presence in Vietnam since the bilateral relationship was elevated to an Enhanced Comprehensive Strategic Partnership in May 2026.

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We were talking about 7-8 units, here it's quoted 6.

As India continues to build up its naval strength, sources indicate that the Indian Navy is set to launch three indigenous warship projects worth up to Rs 1 lakh crore.

The three projects - 15C destroyers, 17B frigates, and 18A next generation Large Surface Combatants - would serve as the backbone of India's future surface fleet, as the country looks to boost capabilities in the face of increasing strategic competition in the Indo-Pacific region.

Sources revealed to NDTV that the projects are going through various rounds of internal consultations and planning before moving forward to the defence acquisition process.

Once they get the clearance, they would be one of the biggest investments in indigenous naval shipbuilding since Project 15B destroyers and Project 17A stealth frigates.






The largest and first of these upcoming projects is Project 15C, under which the Navy plans to build four next-generation guided-missile destroyers, at an estimated cost of around Rs 50,000 crore.

According to sources, the Ministry of Defence is expected to issue the Request For Proposal (RFP) within the next year. Construction of the ships would then begin roughly three years after the RFP is issued, once design approval and procurement clearances are in place.

These destroyers would use the capabilities that were available in Kolkata-class (Project 15A) and Visakhapatnam-class (Project 15B) destroyers, as well as newer sensors, weapons, electronic warfare and improved air defence systems.

The second project would be the Project 17B, according to which, the Navy intends to build six advanced stealth frigates, costing Rs 40,000 crore.

Sources revealed that the current plan is for the construction of these six frigates to be shared between the two topmost Indian shipyards, where Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) would build three frigates, while the remaining three frigates would be constructed by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE).

The RFP for Project 17B is expected to be issued in approximately 18 months' time, while construction of the ships would begin after about four years from the RFP issuance, subject to procurement clearances.

Among the three, Project 18A stands out as the biggest and most ambitious - officials describe it as the Navy's next-generation large surface combatant programme.

Sources told NDTV that the Navy wants to construct six warships of 14,000-15,000 tonnes, among the biggest combatants ever constructed in India. They would have enhanced strike capability, air and missile defence, command and control systems, as well as increased endurance for far flung missions.

Unlike Projects 15C and 17B, Project 18A is still at a much earlier stage of planning. The RFP is expected to be issued only in the next three years, while ship construction could begin after around eight years, given the complexity of the platform.

These projects come at a time when the Indian Navy wants to retain a qualitative edge in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), while expanding its footprint in the broader Indo-Pacific region. The Navy has long demanded for a bigger and better-equipped navy in view of emerging maritime security challenges, protection of sea lines of communication, and providing net security to the region.

For MDL, the projects would help it cement its position as the key shipyard building frontline warships for the Indian Navy. Based in Mumbai, the defence PSU has supplied the Navy with its Project 15A Kolkata-class destroyers, is presently constructing the Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class destroyers and is also constructing Project 17A Nilgiri-class stealth frigates.

Whereas Project 17B would be shared between MDL and GRSE, it seems to reflect the government's policy of distribution of the burden of naval construction among various Indian shipyards and boosting indigenous manufacturing capacity as a part of Aatmanirbhar Bharat programme.
 
Strange that the IN wants to continue building legacy P-15s (narrow beam, older gen Zorya DT-59 powerplant, split deck superstructure) in parallel with 2nd gen P-17B stealth FFGs.

In terms of firepower, a P-15C would anyway have little to offer, other than heavy ASW TTs vs P-17B. If a revamped hull + propulsion system ( ala Arleigh Burke F3) is on the cards, why stick with P-15C classification?