Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran
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Neither of those equations favour the US/Allies. I've gone over some of the details regarding China's industrial capabilities in another thread, read my replies from the linked post onwards:
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Any effort to resupply/rebuild US/Allied infrastructure along the First or Second Chain involves a logistics tail that spans the width of the Pacific. China's logistics are right there.
As I said, in order to make China pay a similar price vis-a-vis the damage they could do in that timeframe, the US will need capabilities that can impose an overwhelming air superiority over mainland China within the first few days. That capability doesn't exist because sortie rates of F-22s & F-35s will plummet once First Chain bases are under saturation strikes. No sustained sortie generation = no air superiority.
Only way to sustain that sortie rate is with planes that are: 1) Capable of operating from bases farther out, and 2) Are available in sufficient numbers to generate enough sorties.
That means building up a large enough fleet of F-47 and B-21. The B-2 will still be able to penetrate but there's too few of those airframes. There's a reason why they want ~100+ B21s.
And then there's the fact that unlike Iran, China actually possesses the ISR capabilities needed to properly target moving Carriers.
Not in our waters, not our problem.
Remember frigate was returning back to Iran it could have virtually encountered the US fleet in Indian ocean and taken a shot at them.
Just shows that US is well prepared and monitoring all the iranian assets not just in gulf but also other places. At this rate surprising US on land/water is going certainly going to be a hard task.
those jal jeera *censored*s must pay a price.
I don't get the hysteria surrounding the sinking of IRIS Dena. Neither the Dena nor the US submarine that sank it were in Indian territorial waters (or in Sri Lankan waters for that matter).
The US & Israel are pounding to pieces any offensive or potentially offensive Iranian military capabilities within that country, but for some reason an Iranian warship has to be left alone because it's not in Iranian waters/out of theatre at the moment? That doesn't make any sense. Once hostilities with a country are open, if you have the capability to destroy that country's military assets before they can become a problem, you do it.
And what's this about 'fighting fair'? War is never fair, the whole point of war (and preparation for war) is to ensure that you give yourself the most unfair advantage you possibly can.
Besides, the way I see it - the IRIS Dena was a POTENTIAL THREAT waiting to manifest itself. It's obvious by now that Iran's military is targeting countries without rhyme or reason, in an effort to increase the cost of war on as many countries as possible (including nominally unaligned parties like Oman, or even those who were aligned with anti-Israel causes like Qatar), so as to indirectly pressure the US & the world to stop the attacks on Iran.
Knowing this, how can anyone guarantee that IRIS Dena wouldn't have eventually targeted shipping in the region if & when ordered to do so? If not attack one of the countries in the region in an effort to impose costs on them so that they in turn apply pressure on US? Several Indian mariners have already lost their lives due to Iran's attacks on civilian shipping.
Waiting for such an eventuality to come to pass would have hurt India's and our southern neighbour's economic interests much more than what the closure of Hormuz is already imposing on us.
Bottomline, I don't see why this is even a big deal. It's just 1 ship among 10+ other Iranian ships that were sunk over the last few days.
I'd say the Iranians blundered in sending the ship to Ex Milan in the first place. They must have known war was imminent. Not the time for leisure trips.
They barely had a navy worth the name, anyway.
They barely had a navy worth the name, anyway.
The ex ended on 25th Feb. The warship could have reached Iran by 28th on its crusing speed alone.
it will be a blood bath for usa and its allies, china has the all ncessary system to target a moving vessels in a open sea, given thier plethora of advanced ballistic and hypersonic missiles, large fleet of awacs, a2a missiles, unmanned underwater vechile , ucav, bombers, large inventory of cruise missile,
usa bases and carrier groups will be over powered in hours, similarly we can do these to the chinese A2/AD in indian ocean, we need to scale up production our missile inventory, AUV, smart missile, space assests, we need more satellites cant depend on isro launches solely, kusa and BMD in good numbers
Perhaps she would have still survived if she had taken the Palk Strait, instead of going around SL. The ship could've stayed within India's EEZ, right up to Gujarat. Guess it was fate.
The iranians are incompetent and clown-like. Most muslim countries are. It's all bravado and a false sense of entitlement. If any body has seriously followed Iranian mil and their propaganda you would actually laugh at it. Their Military looks worse than BSF and SSB and that's saying something considering how goofy our central paramilitary forces are.
The only real threat was their large collection ballistic missiles and drones. The rest of their military is still stuck in 1979.
It was utter lack of awareness and hubris that led to this.
But considering the iranians have been harassing western navies around hormuz for a decade they would have assumed that this would never happen.
Also the moment they would have entered Arabian sea they would have been taken out by a P-8. The 7th fleet is spread across the IOR.
Most of their navy is on borrowed time.
Hormuz would be under American control by the next month with only Iranian shore based cruise missiles and ashm's being a problem.
There are actual retired babus and a few vets questioning the handling of the Iranian ship that was sunk. I saw someone ask why did the IN not escort it back to Iran. Quite the spectacle. Can India actually handle a war was a question that I had been pondering over since the strikes in May last year....I see there has been no to little progress on the IW front. Also, did not know that we were that close to the Iranians (for both the Left and the Right). There are some posts that are more emotionally charged than from their actual neighbours and well wishers. There are accounts within the country that are blatantly posting false geolocation of the sinking and getting away with it. The posts from retired babus was quite the eye opener.
Happen to agree with the Post made by Parthu.
Happen to agree with the Post made by Parthu.
Sibal also jumped in. Good to know. These are your "highly enlightened" UPSC cadre. Fleet review ships can carry arms and live ammo. There are no restrictions that are usually placed on the participants as they are expected to head back to their home ports post participation. While travelling in Intl. waters they can encounter hostile actors such as pirates and other ships from hostile nations that might engage them. The host does not restrict their choices due to these reasons.
Ships are fully armed and operational during a Fleet Review, though they do not engage in combat. The purpose of the review is to showcase the "hard power" and capabilities of the Navy to the Head of State, not to hide them - A simple search will lead you to such articles.
Ships are fully armed and operational during a Fleet Review, though they do not engage in combat. The purpose of the review is to showcase the "hard power" and capabilities of the Navy to the Head of State, not to hide them - A simple search will lead you to such articles.
China would have to attack a lot of different countries and take out the US carrier fleet to stop it. Even then you would have bomber delivered cruise missiles and Dark Eagles (from land, sea and sub) striking China. Don't forget that Iran has already fired over 600 MRBMs and achieved little except the annihilation of its own armed forces.Neither of those equations favour the US/Allies. I've gone over some of the details regarding China's industrial capabilities in another thread, read my replies from the linked post onwards:
Taiwan - China Brewing Conflict : Discussions
Pretty big development. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/01/china-suddenly-building-fleet-of-special-barges-suitable-for-taiwan-landings/ This new ship design is meant to navigate around the lack of landing beaches in Taiwan. Difficult to invade during Trump's era though. The last...
Any effort to resupply/rebuild US/Allied infrastructure along the First or Second Chain involves a logistics tail that spans the width of the Pacific. China's logistics are right there.
As I said, in order to make China pay a similar price vis-a-vis the damage they could do in that timeframe, the US will need capabilities that can impose an overwhelming air superiority over mainland China within the first few days. That capability doesn't exist because sortie rates of F-22s & F-35s will plummet once First Chain bases are under saturation strikes. No sustained sortie generation = no air superiority.
Only way to sustain that sortie rate is with planes that are: 1) Capable of operating from bases farther out, and 2) Are available in sufficient numbers to generate enough sorties.
That means building up a large enough fleet of F-47 and B-21. The B-2 will still be able to penetrate but there's too few of those airframes. There's a reason why they want ~100+ B21s.
And then there's the fact that unlike Iran, China actually possesses the ISR capabilities needed to properly target moving Carriers.
The US has also been relatively civil with Iran, no orbital warfare, which could stop any Chinese BMs being able to guide.
China also has to get ships to Taiwan, which means they'll face large amounts of US drones (USV, UUV and UAV). D-Day was horrific and that wasn't against any of the guided stuff they have today.
Please ask the Iranians for explanations with equal fervour. These sailors on commercial ships actually do not have anything to do with combat and naval warfare.
Imo in your analysis of industrial power you also need to recognize that unlike WW2, we live in a world where long range missiles exist in great numbers and are extremely accurate. Idk about missile factories, but be rest assured if the US gets into war with China, China can say goodbye to its J20, J16, J10 and J35 factories as well as its shipyards and ports which means its supply of oil will be hit badly. The US can use loads of Tomahawks and other missiles from well beyond first island chain, launched from SSGNs and other assets like B52s if they make it capable of launching Tomahawks to crush the factories China uses to produce niche and high end stuff.Neither of those equations favour the US/Allies. I've gone over some of the details regarding China's industrial capabilities in another thread, read my replies from the linked post onwards:
Taiwan - China Brewing Conflict : Discussions
Pretty big development. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/01/china-suddenly-building-fleet-of-special-barges-suitable-for-taiwan-landings/ This new ship design is meant to navigate around the lack of landing beaches in Taiwan. Difficult to invade during Trump's era though. The last...
Any effort to resupply/rebuild US/Allied infrastructure along the First or Second Chain involves a logistics tail that spans the width of the Pacific. China's logistics are right there.
As I said, in order to make China pay a similar price vis-a-vis the damage they could do in that timeframe, the US will need capabilities that can impose an overwhelming air superiority over mainland China within the first few days. That capability doesn't exist because sortie rates of F-22s & F-35s will plummet once First Chain bases are under saturation strikes. No sustained sortie generation = no air superiority.
Only way to sustain that sortie rate is with planes that are: 1) Capable of operating from bases farther out, and 2) Are available in sufficient numbers to generate enough sorties.
That means building up a large enough fleet of F-47 and B-21. The B-2 will still be able to penetrate but there's too few of those airframes. There's a reason why they want ~100+ B21s.
And then there's the fact that unlike Iran, China actually possesses the ISR capabilities needed to properly target moving Carriers.
Like sure they have lots of factories but how many can produce fighter jets? Specialized stuff will require specialized factories which will be very very hard to repair. China has loads of missiles too, and in all likelihood US will face tremendous casualties in Guam and through the sinking of its naval ships. But the core US factories producing weapons and arms will not have a scratch because they are 10,000 km away from China. The only Chinese missiles capable of reaching the US are strategic missiles meant for nuclear delivery. Unless you think China will produce 1000s of DF15s and DF5s and DF41s, whose factories can also be hit by long range US missiles unless they build new factories in Tibet or Xinjiang.
This is all on top of the fact that the US Navy which controls the seas will make sure to starve China of oil it needs to fight. PLAN is no match for the US Navy outside the SCS as you yourself said, and unfortunately for China, oil comes from places it has no control over through routes it cannot defend.
As usual, America is blessed by great geography while its enemy finds itself boxed in. Very hard to sustain industry when your oil supply is being choked and your factories are being bombed relentlessly even if you are China.