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But MK2 specifically designed around GE-414 engine. So changing engine at this point will require major modification in airframe & that will cause further delays. Doesn't look like a right option at present. Do you have any kind of solid info or just a speculation ?
The M88 is smaller than the F414 in all dimensions: we know how to develop an M88 using T-REX technology that is intermediate in size between the classic M88 and the F414 and has slightly more thrust than the F414. As this engine is smaller, it can be fitted to the Tejas MK2 with adapters. But if you don't ask for it, we won't do it.
 
The M88 is smaller than the F414 in all dimensions: we know how to develop an M88 using T-REX technology that is intermediate in size between the classic M88 and the F414 and has slightly more thrust than the F414. As this engine is smaller, it can be fitted to the Tejas MK2 with adapters. But if you don't ask for it, we won't do it.
Trex won't available in near future i fear.
 
The M88 is smaller than the F414 in all dimensions: we know how to develop an M88 using T-REX technology that is intermediate in size between the classic M88 and the F414 and has slightly more thrust than the F414. As this engine is smaller, it can be fitted to the Tejas MK2 with adapters. But if you don't ask for it, we won't do it.
India has had two options for engine all along: Russian RD33MK (50/88 KN, enough to replace F404 and HAL had license since ... 2009) and French M88-03 50/88 KN. For some reason, fools at HAL never even considered that. It would have opened Tejas for markets that do not want American engines or could not get american engines.
 
The M88 is smaller than the F414 in all dimensions: we know how to develop an M88 using T-REX technology that is intermediate in size between the classic M88 and the F414 and has slightly more thrust than the F414. As this engine is smaller, it can be fitted to the Tejas MK2 with adapters. But if you don't ask for it, we won't do it.
Thanks for your insights sir, IMO there must be a plan B for Tejas MK2 engine (like a derivative of M-88) if GE engine delivery timeline goes same like 404 engines. You can't totally depend on only one engine that too which brings so much uncertainty & can sabotage whole MK2 project.
There were reports that India considering M-88 engine derivative for MK2. Do you have any inside information on that ?
 
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Thanks for your insights sir, IMO there must be a plan B for Tejas MK2 engine (like a derivative of M-88) if GE engine delivery timeline goes same like 404 engines. You can't totally depend on only one engine that too which brings so much uncertainty & can sabotage whole MK2 project.
There were reports that India considering M-88 engine derivative for MK2. Do you have any inside information on that ?
I was the first one to report about India working with the French for MK2's alternative engine. But it is a fallback option. Our first choice always will be F414 and then AMCA's definitive 120KN engine for later batches.
 
I was the first one to report about India working with the French for MK2's alternative engine. But it is a fallback option. Our first choice always will be F414 and then AMCA's definitive 120KN engine for later batches.
Yeah I remember that thanks to your infos also ...I recently joined this forum but I'm an old lurker of this forum. So I know some of you guys & many infos you provide comes out to be true.
 
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Thanks for your insights sir, IMO there must be a plan B for Tejas MK2 engine (like a derivative of M-88) if GE engine delivery timeline goes same like 404 engines. You can't totally depend on only one engine that too which brings so much uncertainty & can sabotage whole MK2 project.
There were reports that India considering M-88 engine derivative for MK2. Do you have any inside information on that ?
Actually, I don’t have any inside information.

That said, the main work to obtain the M88 T-REX engine has already begun, since it must be available before 2030 for the first flights of the Rafale F5.

Furthermore, to convert a standard M88 into an M88 T-REX, only a few modules will need to be changed — I believe it’s around three modules, while the M88 has about 21 modules in total. The M88 was designed as a family of engines sharing the same core, with growth potential. The family was originally intended to cover roughly 7.5 tons to 11.5 tons maximum thrust.

Now, the technological step brought by T-REX basically shifts these capabilities upward by about 20%, while keeping the same overall dimensions and weight.

To replace the F414, we would need an engine in the 6-ton class (dry). With the T-REX technology on the current M-88 we can reach around 6 tons, and with afterburner we can obtain about 9 tons without any major redesign.

If we want around 10 tons with afterburner, we need to ingest a bit more air, meaning a slightly larger fan diameter. But we have margin here: the F414 fan diameter is about 89 cm, while the M88 is only about 69 cm. A fan diameter around 79 cm would already be more than sufficient.

So, in theory, it would be possible to create an engine with the final integration characteristics suitable for Tejas Mk2, even without the full T-REX technology at first. Such an “intermediate” engine could deliver around 5.5 / 8 tons (dry / afterburner), and later it could accept the three upgraded T-REX modules, bringing it up to around 6.5 / 10 tons.

It would also have the advantage of allowing early studies and tests for the integration of an M88-derivative into the Tejas Mk2.