Explosion near Red Fort: At least 9 dead, several injured in blast

[Subgradewalker]

R&D & funding in counter terrorism systems, be it in tech or developing human INT,
The digital technology has advanced a lot in the Last couple of years, there are way to many encrypted messaging systems, we have to break into those encrypted system somehow, as you said they will improvise everytime,

In future they might not even take the credits for the attacks, they will try to draw less attention towards them, so that they have plausible deniability,

We have to level up our tech game,

That is easy to say and very vague you know. Just like we say drdo should invest in R&D. But with DRDO it would make sense due the precedent and the scope of DRDO.

What about agencies. What kind of R&D and what timeline are we looking at here? And decryption can't do everything.

How to track these bastads? How to find the needle in the haystack. To locate where the next doctor/engineer/biologist/architect etc.. is tinkering with poison/sabotage/virus/industry explosives. Because we can't rely on coincidences or OGWs blunder every time.

If answer is that You gotta do mass surveillance for whole f-ing population including tier-3 tier-4 zones. It's not just R&D. It massive massive upgrade of infrastructure. From CCTVs, To digital trace to Banking to tracking Blockchain/crypto exchanges. Do you know, crypto has proliferated in semi-urban india, more than urban. Lakhs of lakhs of people are getting into it and literally getting duped. That money goes to where? I don't see any forward movement to tackle this.

- Our NATGRID not only needs 2.0 , it needs 3.0, 4.0 in quick succession. US did it, altho they didn't have vulnerability of anarchist/leftist that we do. But we can't stop. And the govt has been doing its job, no doubt and it takes time. But that's at the agency level. I agree. Let's say 2047.

But what about in between 2025 to 2047. How do we track? The only method my little and dumb brain can think of is old and hard method, which starts with white collar network = official threat not limited to media or press notes. We know what follows even if done silently and at non obvious pace. It involves Collab of civil department+intelligence agencies. I have some thoughts but then I look at the fcked up civilian Beauracracy, politics and people and know how hurculean task it is. Almost impossible. I believe people like hellfire also realised this long ago and that's why their attraction/obsession with op sindoor 2.0 at any cost.

P.S. Look, I have faith in the integrity of this govt and foremost our NSA and current intelligence agencies and establishment ( when it comes to national security) . I know they are racking their brains over it or maybe work is already underway.
Still... this new module is just far too complicated and nefarious. It's like an abomination arising out "of state sponsored terrorism + terrorism = Terrorist State".

 

[FalconSlayers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988906761978351717

"C-130 was spying near karachi, was jammed by PAF"
~ @safriz

 

[Sathya]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989001057561878589

 

[CATS @hunter]

Right! This Failed Marshal is zial ul haq type man old school and fully radicalized and he is also radicalizing it's armed forces. He also has full support of all these extremist organisations,

ZIA has raised an entire islamic faction in the pakistan army,
And munir is from one of those groups,

How jihadis are infiltrating Pak armed forces

The recent attacks against military installations in Pakistan, including the recent attack on the Mehran naval base, point to the role of some insiders. However, renowned Pakistani commentator Amir Mir says the jihadist elements with the military are sprinkled on among the lower-rung.

m.rediff.com

 

[Sathya]

Night quite calm today ..

 

[CATS @hunter]

That is easy to say and very vague you know. Just like we say drdo should invest in R&D. But with DRDO it would make sense due the precedent and the scope of DRDO.

It's not the DRDO job to develop the Cyber security tech, decryption tech
It's the job for the C-DAC institution not drdo, as they are perimer institute who deals with tech,

How to track these bastads? How to find the needle in the haystack. To locate where the next doctor/engineer/biologist/architect etc.. is tinkering with poison/sabotage/virus/industry explosives. Because we can't rely on coincidences or OGWs blunder every time.

You don't have to look far beyond,
JeM, LeT, ansar blah blah hind, you have to monitor such groups, overall majority of the terror modules are linked to these groups which then links it to pakistan army, some of them independently without any orders for pakistan army, likes of JeM,
Once you narrow it down, what these groups are up to, which place Thier leader's are visiting, speeches of Thier leaders, where are the training camps,
before pahalgam LeT leader's were giving speech about how to wage new kind of jihad in Kashmir, target killing of non locals, once you get into Thier cells you will get the idea's what they are upto, whom they are contacting in independent server's in India,

 

[Subgradewalker]

It's not the DRDO job to develop the Cyber security tech, decryption tech
It's the job for the C-DAC institution not drdo, as they are perimer institute who deals with tech,

You misunderstood my statement. I didn't say it's the role of DRDO to develop tech for agencies. I was making comparison on the context of R&D.

You don't have to look far beyond,
JeM, LeT, ansar blah blah hind, you have to monitor such groups, overall majority of the terror modules are linked to these groups which then links it to pakistan army, some of them independently without any orders for pakistan army, likes of JeM,
Once you narrow it down, what these groups are up to, which place Thier leader's are visiting, speeches of Thier leaders, where are the training camps,
before pahalgam LeT leader's were giving speech about how to wage new kind of jihad in Kashmir, target killing of non locals, once you get into Thier cells you will get the idea's what they are upto, whom they are contacting in independent server's in India,

That response, That's exactly the thing I am afraid of. That people haven't realised the gravity of situation yet.

 

[screambowl]

No it's not, this plan was more Sinister, we are at scratching at the top right now, the numbers of people & terror module involved in this will increase,
Adeel Ahmad rather isn't the only from his family involved in this his brother muzaffar rather is too, and he already the left the country in mid August for Afghanistan, apart from JeM Ansar ghawzat -ul-hind, to which the imam was linked, the imam who indoctrinated them, reported by print,

But who recruited the Imam that's the main question, was it some one from Pakistan high commission or some other link? This link is the most important part of the chain. Rest are useful idiots who may not know the real identity of this particular link or links. By any means this link needs to be found. He/she knows the main plan.

Saheena was funding the operation, his brothers also involved, some other doctors & faculty were also involved,

It is not possible for these people without assistance from a military personal or intelligence operative to plan this big operation. The person who trained them or planned their coordination is technical expert or ISI's field operative who knows how to work in a disguise, how to mobilize funds without getting detected.

This thing is big, a lot of people are involved in it,
3000kg of explosives would have created the biggest terrorists attack in the world,

The other terror modules & members are laying low, we have to catch them

Well all of them will go cold now for at least a year I guess. The Babri sentiment is strong and Pakistan will have no problem finding more useful idiots. This is a bad situation. This Munir is creating more communal trouble.

 

[RationalGuy]

I am talking about the current operation executed by ISI. It's over for them for now. And this is nothing new that Pakistan has got tentacles all over the world when it comes to religious extremism. India is dealing with this since 1947. I have said in one of the post that they are over 20 crore and there is no lack of resources and manpower. They will continue to carry on such activities. And this is also something known to all. You also said it.



This is known and nothing new about it. Pakistan is like a contract killer they do all the dirty work around the world in return of intel or money. That's one of their economy along with narco terrorism. Half of the population in KPK smokes afeem. That Kinnaird college in Lahore and many colleges in Lahore are hubs of narco peddlers, girls boys all of them smoke this charas and afeem, almost every 4th student is addict there. So you can imagine how easy it is for them to have business through this particular population. And not just that, Lahore and Karachi are hubs of debit and credit card scamsters. Some 8 - 9 years ago many a lot of students were into this data stealing by injectign SQL packets.

Pakistan is a criminal and terror state. Fraud number one. This is why they are contacted by other to do dirty work. You can't stop it with paper work and diplomatic and blame gaming means. And they are again training the Benglais in east to be like them. Koi nayi baat nahi hai yeh.


Correct!!

And I want to add one thing more. BJP regime under Modi has been lucky that for 10 years there were no Musharrafs, Zia ul Haq types. May be because Pakistan army had a huge set back after APS Peshawar. But this Asim Munir is from that same cold storage. What congress and BJP under Vajpayee dealt with, PM Modi will be dealing it now. Good you have Doval there. But PM Modi should give green signals to his plans. Doval has literally made Indian intelligence as it was during 1971, even better.

It is not Indian military they fear, it is Indian intelligence they fear the most because it were the agencies which broke them.

I think Modi will be far more decisive and proactive than Vajpayee, who other than nuclear tests had some core failures which haunt us today. The IAFs lead over PAF and other capabilities we have eroded and are smaller now than it was in 1990s and 2000s, yet we see the tremendous retaliation and strikes this government has done, covertly as well. If you guys remember, even after Parliment attacks it took that ghastly attack on the family of soldiers for Vajpayee to retaliate in 2001.

 

[RationalGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988966061069496761

Who will save them in the south ie the seas?

 

[jmaxwell_]

To whom they are fooling, few years back They were in grey list of FTAF,

What fetish has erdogan got, that he is involving in the conflict in indian subcontinent,
Turkey also playing the stupid game soon they will find stupid prizes,

They're still butthurt their Ottoman Empire got their a$$es handed to them by Indian soldiers in WW1. How dare a former sultanate fight back and win?

 

[Hydra]

Night quite calm today ..

It will. Don't expect any cross border actrion from us. Amit shah hadvwarned about action, this an indirect indication that action will contained with in india. Or else DM rajnath ji or PM would have issued the statement.

" Marco Rubio praises India’s handling of Delhi blast".
This applause is definitely for not blaming pak or for not taking action against them.

 

[Sathya]

It will. Don't expect any cross border actrion from us. Amit shah hadvwarned about action, this an indirect indication that action will contained with in india. Or else DM rajnath ji or PM would have issued the statement.

" Marco Rubio praises India’s handling of Delhi blast".
This applause is definitely for not blaming pak or for not taking action against them.

Taking out 0.5 front is more important than Pak .. hope it doesnt end with immediate goals.

 

[Saaho]

It will. Don't expect any cross border actrion from us. Amit shah hadvwarned about action, this an indirect indication that action will contained with in india. Or else DM rajnath ji or PM would have issued the statement.

I thought that too... Modi will not let Shah take credit for that. Its a matter of home defence right now. Not that of punishing the enemy.

Though, I hope shah crushes all these *censored*s for good.

 

[Defc0n]

I thought that too... Modi will not let Shah take credit for that. Its a matter of home defence right now. Not that of punishing the enemy.

Though, I hope shah crushes all these *censored*s for good.

There is no world where punishing this within our country will “send a message to the world that they will stop doing this in India”. Also, that English phrasing in Bhutan from PM doesn’t make sense. If India doesn’t act against Pak, it would be because of some operational reasons (US pressure for something of this sort).

One thing to note is, Turkey is coming out as a new hostile country against India and that too quite publicly.

There is no stopping this as long as we have Pakistan (and it’s brotherhood) willing to pump in money and use the internal criminal resources.

Personally, I don’t think it is feasible for any country to fully clean the internal thing up as this is exactly what external intelligence agencies depend on. No regime change on earth would have been possible without internal help, yet they are so very common!

We need to hit the root of the problem, and without that India makes a mockery of itself in the face of “Sindoor is paused”, “act of terror is act of war” by PM, DM and service chiefs.

If we don’t retaliate, it will essentially be treated as that - “those loud mouths speak a lot, but we called their effin’ bluff and they could not do a thing” - imagine the implications of this. Also, it will tell Pak that the current mode of operation works, and this will keep getting repeated.

So unless some babu has a solution to this problem, India doesn’t have the luxury to sit back and play Pak’s game.

 

[nair]

No clue! @nair or those who know him personally would know, but most obviously not tell. Assumption is - something of national importance where he doesn't want to post anything on SM.

He will be back soon.... Nothing significant for now

 

[Shan]

The Pakistanis have raised the Turks to a whole another level it seems. It is the new 'bradar' mulk that will have to bear the cost of resolving all their problems.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988977718197981572

 

[Volcano]

First thing, demolish houses and properties of these "Doctors". Deterrence is established through visible consequences.

Considering they are doctors, makes me wonder how many innocents they killed in hospitals.

Well, forces demolished the home of Dr Umar Nabi butt.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989162047695991112

Destroying the homes of terrorists is important & we shouldn't heed any earlier to the liberal BS. Studies have shown that demolishing the homes of attackers increase deterrence & reduce future terrorism.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/678765

 

[Shan]

J&K Police seek Interpol notice against Qaizgund-based doctor - The Tribune

Jammu and Kashmir Police have approached Interpol to issue a Red Corner Notice against Qazigund-based Dr Muzaffar in connection with the interstate ‘white-collar’ terror module busted earlier this week, officials said on Thursday.

www.tribuneindia.com

Jammu and Kashmir Police have approached Interpol to issue a Red Corner Notice against Qazigund-based Dr Muzaffar in connection with the interstate ‘white-collar’ terror module busted earlier this week, officials said on Thursday.

Muzaffar is the brother of Dr Adeel, one of eight people, including three doctors, arrested in the case linked to the Red Fort blast. Of the eight arrested, seven are from Kashmir.

Officials said Muzaffar’s name surfaced during the interrogation of those arrested. He was part of a group of doctors who visited Turkiye in 2021 along with Muzammil Ganaie and Umar Nabi, the latter having driven the explosives-laden car that detonated near the Red Fort on Monday, killing 13 people.

Police said they attempted to trace Muzaffar but found that he had left India for Dubai in August. He is currently believed to be in Afghanistan. The three doctors reportedly spent 21 days in Turkiye.

 

[_Anonymous_]

There is no world where punishing this within our country will “send a message to the world that they will stop doing this in India”. Also, that English phrasing in Bhutan from PM doesn’t make sense. If India doesn’t act against Pak, it would be because of some operational reasons (US pressure for something of this sort).

One thing to note is, Turkey is coming out as a new hostile country against India and that too quite publicly.

There is no stopping this as long as we have Pakistan (and it’s brotherhood) willing to pump in money and use the internal criminal resources.

Personally, I don’t think it is feasible for any country to fully clean the internal thing up as this is exactly what external intelligence agencies depend on. No regime change on earth would have been possible without internal help, yet they are so very common!

We need to hit the root of the problem, and without that India makes a mockery of itself in the face of “Sindoor is paused”, “act of terror is act of war” by PM, DM and service chiefs.

If we don’t retaliate, it will essentially be treated as that - “those loud mouths speak a lot, but we called their effin’ bluff and they could not do a thing” - imagine the implications of this. Also, it will tell Pak that the current mode of operation works, and this will keep getting repeated.

So unless some babu has a solution to this problem, India doesn’t have the luxury to sit back and play Pak’s game.

Don't think we're resuming Operation Sindoor . The subdued response of GoI gave it away. Besides @Saaho rightly pointed out we don't have a case . There's no smoking gun .

In case of both Pulwama & Pahalgam tanzeems based in Paxtan claimed responsibility . Besides both of them were hugh profile blasts aimed at a particular demographic.

This one , though high profile was random selection . If reports are to be believed it was accidental. Muslims also perished in the attack.

Unless new evidence emerges to link Paxtan to the attack we won't move ahead. Another thing worth noting is the last time around we were on very good terms with the US . Not anymore. That definitely has a bearing on our reaction.

The good news or rather the perverted part of it is that this will buoy Fauji Foundation to miscalculate especially their Field Marshal who's now elevated himself to Commander of Defence Forces for life . Note : not single western country even took notice of the event.

As of now we ought to spend time cleaning up our backyard . Introduce &/or amend existing laws to make it more stringent to prevent another such incident .

That would also apply to our intelligence apparatus which was almost caught napping but for an alert cop in Kashmir whose sleuthing discovered the plot or so news agencies report.

In the meanwhile pump more into the various organisations battling Fauji Foundation in Paxtan. Since they've crossed multiple red lines with the kind of explosives accumulated & the blasts planned including bio / chemical warfare with the discovery of Ricin being mfgd , we must reciprocate.

Munira isn't going to back down. If anything he has doubled down . This will only end with a bullet in his head . Now whether it's executed by those tanzeems in Paxtan fighting the state or we do it or one of his own in Fauji Foundation remains to be seen .

But as long as he continues there's going to be problems for us & very dangerous problems I may add.