Astra Series Air to Air Missiles

[Hydra]

Indian missiles are most often underestimated ..
In this case, they probably letting us know the actual range.

Not underestimated, i would say dedi radars are underestimated, so as desi EWs.

Now comes to misdile, i am Remembering the drama had happened in this forun when we went for Rampage procurement, all of you guys were parading Rudram missile instead of Rampage.

After that op sindoor happened, still rudram is no where to seen, where rampage brought us victory.

 

[Shan]

People need to step up. Folks pay heed to what Hydra has said: The moment has come to spill the tea. Who was lobbying for the desi missiles? Who supported them? Let the drama unfold

@Gautam - Please be on standby. Things could get ugly. We do not know who amongst the brown boys here is a lobbyist for the desi missiles. Thank you.

 

[lmaoxd]

PL - 15 Design Specifications as per publically available data (compiled using Sonnet):

Physical Dimensions​

• Length: 399.6 cm (13 ft 1.3 in) for PL-15E variant
• Diameter: 20.3 cm (8.0 in) for PL-15E variant
• Alternative measurements show length of 3996mm and diameter of 203mm

Weight​

• Mass: 200–230 kg (441–507 lb) for standard PL-15
• PL-15E Export Version: ≤210 kg (463 lb) ,

Performance Specifications​

• Maximum Range:
  • PL-15 (domestic version): Up to 300 kilometers
  • PL-15E (export version): 145 km maximum engagement range ,
  • Some sources indicate PL-15 domestic version may reach 200 kilometers
• Speed: Exceeding Mach 5

Design Features​

• Propulsion: Dual-pulse solid-propellant rocket motor
• Body Design: Conventional cylindrical missile body
• Guidance: Active radar-guided system
• Special Feature: PL-15E variant features folding tail design

Variants​

• PL-15: Standard domestic Chinese version with longer range
• PL-15E: Export variant with reduced specifications and folding tail configuration

was going through this thread but LMAO the pl15 domestic is not 300 km lol. Most credible estimates put it at about 210km and there were chinese slides that showed a range of about 210 in a head facing head scenario.

something i want to know is whether the astra mk2 will have a better GaN based seeker with denser TRm packaging compared to the pl15. And whether well get the first units on the su30mki by 2026 mid or end with full fleet by 2027. this is just catch up. what we need is the astra mk3 by 2029 to have an actual BVR advantage

 

[Shan]

was going through this thread but LMAO the pl15 domestic is not 300 km lol. Most credible estimates put it at about 210km and there were chinese slides that showed a range of about 210 in a head facing head scenario.

Well spotted. Please do share the literature/article from which the range is being quoted. The AI that was used (Sonnet 4.0 I believe, I did not put the version on original note) must have used something less credible or a vague source. Thank you for the correction.

 

[Shan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978127305571533265

 

[Aniruddha]

Not underestimated, i would say dedi radars are underestimated, so as desi EWs.

Now comes to misdile, i am Remembering the drama had happened in this forun when we went for Rampage procurement, all of you guys were parading Rudram missile instead of Rampage.

After that op sindoor happened, still rudram is no where to seen, where rampage brought us victory.

Rampage bought us victory
If there was a competition of making dumb arguments to sound intellectual, this one would take the cake.
You are saying as if both Brahmos, SCALP, Desi AD and a whole host of other indigenous platforms had nothing to do with this conflict.
Regarding the Rudram series, IAF is yet to place an order, however despite this if they wanted they could have used a couple of pre-production units of the Rudram-1,2 they had at hand to conduct trial by fire, but to reasons best known to them they didn't.

Also take a couple of English classes will you because your English vocab definitely ain't your strong suit.

 

[Subgradewalker]

Hydra is probably one of those who think Britishers did us a favor by colonising india.

 

[ultimatejuggernaut]

Hydra is probably one of those who think Britishers did us a favor by colonising india.

Many great changes in the world order are brought about through difficult and hard means. It's a matter of perspective, we can see it the way we want to.

E.g., Churchill is blamed for Bengal famine which resulted in 2 - 4 million deaths (which was cruel). But the other side to it is, had that not happened, India would have 9 - 18 million or more people. These numbers are not big in Indian context but still it would have added more fuel to the struggle of survival.

Recent example: The Op Sindoor became a reality only after some people had to pay the price of their lives.

 

[Subgradewalker]

Many great changes in the world order are brought about through difficult and hard means. It's a matter of perspective, we can see it the way we want to.

E.g., Churchill is blamed for Bengal famine which resulted in 2 - 4 million deaths (which was cruel). But the other side to it is, had that not happened, India would have 9 - 18 million or more people. These numbers are not big in Indian context but still it would have added more fuel to the struggle of survival.

Recent example: The Op Sindoor became a reality only after some people had to pay the price of their lives.

Oh pls. You're trying to discover some butterfly effect out of thin air. That 9-18 million people would've been voters during partition referendum.. effecting it. Then Direct action day. Perhaps the trauma added to the populace there will be less and they will be more welcoming and easy going and less hatred for west ergo lesser attraction towards communism.. I can theorise a lot and it will have sound principles behind it.

But it's not easy to study cause and effect of the universe. So, please don't try to whitewash the crimes and peddle it in a positive spin.

Had pahalgam not happened. J&k economy will be on upward trajectory. Relationship with USA will be a lot different. Since pakistan would be out of equation, indian stance would also be softer. Our economy would grow even more faster since investor momentum will increase. Yet op sindoor probably accelerated some developments that were inevitable. Perhaps you can say, it's good it got acceleration so, current govt can handle it. Perhaps a harder stance is more beneficial to us.. Blah blah blah...

Want me to hypothise more? Even if british didn't colonise, the nature of technology would've made sure that South Asia will be industrialised. Perhaps we would have even more than one hindu rashtra.

Oh heck, if Mughals didn't invade.. our culture and tradition of passing down knowledge.. if takshila and nalanda were not destroyed.. perhaps India would have outgrown any 19th century Europe. Want more?

 

[Hydra]

Rampage bought us victory
If there was a competition of making dumb arguments to sound intellectual, this one would take the cake.
You are saying as if both Brahmos, SCALP, Desi AD and a whole host of other indigenous platforms had nothing to do with this conflict.
Regarding the Rudram series, IAF is yet to place an order, however despite this if they wanted they could have used a couple of pre-production units of the Rudram-1,2 they had at hand to conduct trial by fire, but to reasons best known to them they didn't.

Also take a couple of English classes will you because your English vocab definitely ain't your strong suit.

They yet place orders for Rudram, so something is not good with Rudram right? You cannot blame IAF by telling that they don't favours Desi weapons,same force had place Astra mk1,Aksha batteries in number,40 LCA Tejas , and humongous number of LCA mk1a.

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978127305571533265

So IAF will place orders for 200 km Astra mk2 not the current avatar or additional 700 for extended MK2? If earlier is the case,IAF isn't happy with 160 km range of MK2.

 

[Gosu]

E.g., Churchill is blamed for Bengal famine which resulted in 2 - 4 million deaths (which was cruel). But the other side to it is, had that not happened, India would have 9 - 18 million or more people. These numbers are not big in Indian context but still it would have added more fuel to the struggle of survival.

This is a clear example of why I sometimes wish we had a downvotes/dislike button.

 

[Hydra]

Rampage bought us victory
If there was a competition of making dumb arguments to sound intellectual, this one would take the cake.
You are saying as if both Brahmos, SCALP, Desi AD and a whole host of other indigenous platforms had nothing to do with this conflict.
Regarding the Rudram series, IAF is yet to place an order, however despite this if they wanted they could have used a couple of pre-production units of the Rudram-1,2 they had at hand to conduct trial by fire, but to reasons best known to them they didn't.

Also take a couple of English classes will you because your English vocab definitely ain't your strong suit.

Brahmos,Barak,MKI isn't a true Desi product, scalp,crystal maze, IAI harpy/harop, s400,Rafales & its hammer micaetc are foreign origins. We won the battle by using all these, if IAF or IA insist only Desi weapons,which is only on paper we would have *censored* banged by Pakistanis.

Also if you go back to the op sindoor pages,u can find my post about Akash missile ( if said we gonna get international orders for Akash missile after op sindoor).

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978297790972227974

 

[Aniruddha]

They yet place orders for Rudram, so something is not good with Rudram right? You cannot blame IAF by telling that they don't favours Desi weapons,same force had place Astra mk1,Aksha batteries in number,40 LCA Tejas , and humongous number of LCA mk1a.

IAF didn't place orders for Rudram so there is something not right with the platform , logic died a million deaths.

Dude I recommend you make sense of your verbal BS before you post it, it will save from tonnes of embarrassment.

So IAF will place orders for 200 km Astra mk2 not the current avatar or additional 700 for extended MK2? If earlier is the case,IAF isn't happy with 160 km range of MK2.

IAF isn't ever happy with anything desi, tomorrow if someone offers them a similar 160km range AAM from a foreign vendor, they will procure it in a heartbeat if the decision was left with them.

 

[Shan]

IAF isn't happy with 160 km range of MK2.

This would be a reach wouldn't it? After all the product has not been inducted and is undergoing trials/development whose assessment remains out of OSINT circles. There are no credible sources that that would support this argument.

Frankly speaking, IAF should want the Astra series to work out as much as DRDO. The BVR game needs an in house solution as quickly as possible. Irrespective of what your stance on the weapon system itself is, the Mk2 is the only upcoming solution (apart from Meteor; The integration of which remains under debate).

 

[Ashwin]

No one is talking about production rate of Astra. Its just 25 per year apparently.

 

[marich01]

Many great changes in the world order are brought about through difficult and hard means. It's a matter of perspective, we can see it the way we want to.

E.g., Churchill is blamed for Bengal famine which resulted in 2 - 4 million deaths (which was cruel). But the other side to it is, had that not happened, India would have 9 - 18 million or more people. These numbers are not big in Indian context but still it would have added more fuel to the struggle of survival.

Seriously ?

For a start Brits could at least give the same pay package , perks and respect to the soldiers they recruited from this sub-continent for the 2 WW events they fought alongside white skinned soldiers. Instead till this day Gurkhas do not get the same pay structure, perks or other stuff equal to what a white skinned service person in the Royal army would get. They are not allowed to be member of some veterans clubs, events organised but another white veteran would while both have had the exact same ranks during their service.

During the WWII itself, the white soldiers has separate tents & field hospitals and the Indian troops had their separate ones. Worse still, each white skinned soldier had own spoon & plate to eat from. Since plenty of injury many people would not be in a condition to eat himself due to loss of hands , limbs etc. Missionary volunteers had to feed them. So while in the Brit field hospital everyone had own spoons thereby more missionaries could field each individually, in the Indian side there was one single spoon and plate reserved for the Indian troops. This means while there are 60-80 or more injured people waiting for their turn to be fed, they could only be fed one after another by the volunteer. Despite repeated application by both dying troops, missionaries, and even some Scottish officer rank who felt the issue, the top brass always rejected provision for more plates & spoons.
This is Royal Army treatment for you.

A lot of you are willfully ignorant of actual event & facts and then when pointed out choose to ignore the issue. I am sure white Americans will be equally grateful when another race wipes about 80-85% of them out in future. Keep no hard feelings.

 

[marich01]

No one is talking about production rate of Astra. Its just 25 per year apparently.

From a small line probably. I think the PESO license also limits how many you can make annually? Its not too big figure. Can be increased at short notice with a waiver for the DPSUs of course.

One aspect I hate is why they have kept the warhead so small? Read somewhere the R-37M got like 60 kg warhead similar to the big sized warhead of MRSAM LRSAM. Could have at least used 25-30kg class?

 

[Aniruddha]

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No one is talking about production rate of Astra. Its just 25 per year apparently.

Order size is directly proportional to production output.
Order more, get more.