Dude, it is written as MK2 on the simulator, the Mk1a's console is mostly, if not fully, similar to the Mk1, the Mk2 and the AMCA will be the ones getting the wide info panel and side stick.
LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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One request to HAL/ADA folks visiting the forum:
When working with a television crew, could you PLEASE take profile shots of people working on the aircraft with something other than a bloody SCREWDRIVER?
Person in first pic looks like Shiv Aroor from the back.
Working environment of chinks when they flew J10:
But it shot down our Rafales. The plane itself matters nothing else.
No Rafale lost
If we start today, with in how many years we can do the first flight test of LCA MK2 with EJ200 engine? I know considerable work to be done, but its inevitable if US blocks F414 engine and i fear they are going in that direction.
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*Minimum* 4 years after signing of deal, assuming *optimistic* timeline for *first flight* With tejas mk2 , then flight testing.
If we sign deal now, we can test tejas mk2 prototypes with f414 in-house till ej200 varient is ready, while working with brits on ej200 varient for mk2.
If deal is signed in a few months, than tejas mk2 program would be delayed by 2-3 "optimistically".
Program can be delayed by 5-7 years too.
from chat gpt
Here is the enhanced comparison table for Tejas Mk2 with engine options — GE F414, RD-33MK, and EJ200 — including timeline and technical features like thrust, weight, length, diameter, etc.
compare with AMCA
in case GE414 fails we better cancel LCA mk2 and go full on AMCA as time line matches
Also UK & Germany are similar to USA , not reliable. they already put us on sanctions before too.
Here is the enhanced comparison table for Tejas Mk2 with engine options — GE F414, RD-33MK, and EJ200 — including timeline and technical features like thrust, weight, length, diameter, etc.
| Parameter | GE F414 (F414-INS6) | RD-33MK | EJ200 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Thrust (Dry / Afterburner) | 58.9 kN / 98 kN | 50 kN / 88–90 kN | 60 kN / 90 kN |
| Weight (Dry) | ~1,109 kg | ~1,145 kg | ~990 kg |
| Length | ~3.91 m | ~4.23 m | ~4.00 m |
| Diameter | ~0.89 m | ~1.04 m | ~0.74 m |
| Bypass Ratio | 0.25 | 0.49 | 0.4 |
| Control System | Full FADEC | FADEC + IR signature reduction | Full FADEC |
| Smokeless Combustion |  Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Service Life (approx) | ~6,000 hrs (est.) | ~4,000 hrs | ~6,000 hrs |
| Airframe Compatibility | Fully compatible |  Needs redesign |  Moderate changes needed |
| Prototype Rollout (Mk2) | Late 2025 | 2028–2029 | 2028–2029 |
| First Flight (Mk2) | Early 2026 | ~2030 | ~2030 |
| Flight Testing & Integration | 2026–2028 | 2030–2033 | 2030–2033 |
| Initial Operational Clearance | 2028 | 2033 | 2033 |
| Series Production Start | 2029 | 2034 | 2034 |
| First Deliveries | 2032 | 2036 | 2036 |
compare with AMCA
AMCA Development & Induction Timeline
| Milestone | Expected Timeline |
|---|---|
| CCS Clearance & Full-Scale Development Start | March 2024 (Swarajya, Wikipedia) |
| Full-Scale Engineering Model Unveiled (Aero India) | 2025 (Swarajya) |
| Prototype Rollout (5 prototypes) | Late 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defensivekavach.in) |
| First Flight (Mk1) | 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, The Economic Times, Indian Defence News) |
| Certification / IOC | Around 2032 – 2034 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defencenewsindia.in) |
| Series Production Start / Induction (Mk1) | 2034 – 2035 (The Hindu, Indian Defence News, Wikipedia) |
| Mk2 Deployment (Indigenous Engine Integration) | Post-2035, likely by 2037–2040 (Indian Defence News, bharat-first-forum.typeflo.io) |
in case GE414 fails we better cancel LCA mk2 and go full on AMCA as time line matches
Also UK & Germany are similar to USA , not reliable. they already put us on sanctions before too.
they modernized fast,
meanwhile we are still same today, same old facilities , old techniques, and reservation chhap old rusted talent , no new investment all profits paid to govt via dividend.
HAL should have atleast 3 lakh crore turn over as a defense company and huge capacity,
but they are so damn small.
They built ample facilities they required for their needs and purposes.
That is to do DHARNA and give regular dose of assembled churan to show something on paper for funding.
> US will block F414 engine
> Buy engine with 4 companies from 4 different countries involved
> One of them is owned by same company which we have issues with
The electric screwdriver is also not made in India, it happens to be from Bosch. That's the let down.
ChatGPT isn't sophisticated enough to capture changes that'll be needed to install either engine or whichever engine we intend to substitute F414 with.from chat gpt
Here is the enhanced comparison table for Tejas Mk2 with engine options — GE F414, RD-33MK, and EJ200 — including timeline and technical features like thrust, weight, length, diameter, etc.
Parameter GE F414 (F414-INS6) RD-33MK EJ200 Thrust (Dry / Afterburner) 58.9 kN / 98 kN 50 kN / 88–90 kN 60 kN / 90 kN Weight (Dry) ~1,109 kg ~1,145 kg ~990 kg Length ~3.91 m ~4.23 m ~4.00 m Diameter ~0.89 m ~1.04 m ~0.74 m Bypass Ratio 0.25 0.49 0.4 Control System Full FADEC FADEC + IR signature reduction Full FADEC Smokeless Combustion Service Life (approx) ~6,000 hrs (est.) ~4,000 hrs ~6,000 hrs Airframe Compatibility Prototype Rollout (Mk2) Late 2025 2028–2029 2028–2029 First Flight (Mk2) Early 2026 ~2030 ~2030 Flight Testing & Integration 2026–2028 2030–2033 2030–2033 Initial Operational Clearance 2028 2033 2033 Series Production Start 2029 2034 2034 First Deliveries 2032 2036 2036
compare with AMCA
AMCA Development & Induction Timeline
Milestone Expected Timeline CCS Clearance & Full-Scale Development Start March 2024 (Swarajya, Wikipedia) Full-Scale Engineering Model Unveiled (Aero India) 2025 (Swarajya) Prototype Rollout (5 prototypes) Late 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defensivekavach.in) First Flight (Mk1) 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, The Economic Times, Indian Defence News) Certification / IOC Around 2032 – 2034 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defencenewsindia.in) Series Production Start / Induction (Mk1) 2034 – 2035 (The Hindu, Indian Defence News, Wikipedia) Mk2 Deployment (Indigenous Engine Integration) Post-2035, likely by 2037–2040 (Indian Defence News, bharat-first-forum.typeflo.io)
in case GE414 fails we better cancel LCA mk2 and go full on AMCA as time line matches
Also UK & Germany are similar to USA , not reliable. they already put us on sanctions before too.
As I've said earlier, China had US Navy breathing down their neck + Japan + Korea + Taiwan as enemies all of which have fairly advanced militaries while India had a failed state as an enemy and Russia, US, France UK all willing to give engines and jets for money.
So who would put the massive investment and laser focus on domestic industry is obvious.
In 1996 US Navy sailed 2 aircraft carriers with FA/18 Super Hornets which were far far more advanced than anything PLAAF had across the Taiwan strait barely 70-80 km off of Chinese coast. Now doing such a thing is laughable. If we were in a similar situation, things would have been different.
Taiwan has 200 m60 tank, 450 cm11( Taiwanese tank with m60 chassis and older m48 turret) and 80 newer m1a2 abrams in service( 100+ordered).
~90% of their tank fleet is more obsolete than even the earliest model t72 tank.
Like modern IFV's have heavier armour than those tanks.
Only 10% of newer abrams can be considered modern enough.
Total fleet of +700 tanks.
Their IFV& APC fleet is relatively better with 500+ modern cm32 wheeled apc/ifv.
Though still have 650 old m113 tracked apc.
And 300, 4 wheeled v-150s APC, though its more of a armoured car with ligher armour.
Their towed artillary fleet is also dominated by outdated 105mm howitzers, with max range of ~11km.
but a small but significant percentage of 155mm modern light weight howitzers.
And then the older fixed 203mm ww2 era howitzers for coastal defense( guaranteed will be taken out by china immediately at the start of any invasion).
Their shelf propelled artillary is in better position with 65% being older variebts of 155mm m109 tracked spg.
(T72's era tracked spg)
And rest obeselete spg's.
Their rocket artillary include 100+ post ww2 era rocket artillary with upgrades.
And few dozen more modern rocket launchers( indegenious and US made(.
As for air defense.
Taiwanese army has few units of short range air defense
And then mostly MANPADS.
They lack any integrated airdefense system or any layered net.
All in all that's the list of equipment, as for tactics their equipment does not allow them to employ modern network and comminucation Centric tactics at its current form.
Their airforce is in relatively better shape, and receiving newer blk72 f16 and upgrading their outdated f16's to blk72 standard avionics wise.
Though still most of their f16's in service are more outdated than tejas mk1.
They also have decent no. Of their domestic fc1 fighters, which were upgraded to tejas mk1 standard.
They also have few patriots battery, but their long range and medium range airdefense systems overall in its current form is quite inadequate, specifically against China.
That's the current Taiwanese land and air force.
And in 2010 and early 2000's their military didn't had any of this newer gear in small amount, nor the upgrades in their outdated platform.
Chinese military at even in early 2000's was more modern than Taiwanese military.
mk2 radome from very very old tender , for future reference purpose only
Good attempt but if the US sanctions us on defence deals on account of our dealings with Russia you can forget about Europe or Japan filling in for the US for the latter would demand Europe & Japan follow suit & impose similar sanctions on India.from chat gpt
Here is the enhanced comparison table for Tejas Mk2 with engine options — GE F414, RD-33MK, and EJ200 — including timeline and technical features like thrust, weight, length, diameter, etc.
Parameter GE F414 (F414-INS6) RD-33MK EJ200 Thrust (Dry / Afterburner) 58.9 kN / 98 kN 50 kN / 88–90 kN 60 kN / 90 kN Weight (Dry) ~1,109 kg ~1,145 kg ~990 kg Length ~3.91 m ~4.23 m ~4.00 m Diameter ~0.89 m ~1.04 m ~0.74 m Bypass Ratio 0.25 0.49 0.4 Control System Full FADEC FADEC + IR signature reduction Full FADEC Smokeless Combustion Service Life (approx) ~6,000 hrs (est.) ~4,000 hrs ~6,000 hrs Airframe Compatibility Prototype Rollout (Mk2) Late 2025 2028–2029 2028–2029 First Flight (Mk2) Early 2026 ~2030 ~2030 Flight Testing & Integration 2026–2028 2030–2033 2030–2033 Initial Operational Clearance 2028 2033 2033 Series Production Start 2029 2034 2034 First Deliveries 2032 2036 2036
compare with AMCA
AMCA Development & Induction Timeline
Milestone Expected Timeline CCS Clearance & Full-Scale Development Start March 2024 (Swarajya, Wikipedia) Full-Scale Engineering Model Unveiled (Aero India) 2025 (Swarajya) Prototype Rollout (5 prototypes) Late 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defensivekavach.in) First Flight (Mk1) 2028 – 2029 (Wikipedia, The Economic Times, Indian Defence News) Certification / IOC Around 2032 – 2034 (Wikipedia, Indian Defence News, defencenewsindia.in) Series Production Start / Induction (Mk1) 2034 – 2035 (The Hindu, Indian Defence News, Wikipedia) Mk2 Deployment (Indigenous Engine Integration) Post-2035, likely by 2037–2040 (Indian Defence News, bharat-first-forum.typeflo.io)
in case GE414 fails we better cancel LCA mk2 and go full on AMCA as time line matches
Also UK & Germany are similar to USA , not reliable. they already put us on sanctions before too.
Even France with whom we have a strategic relationship will be unable to resist such calls since their position on Ukraine aligns with the rest including the US.
Bottom line - there's no alternative to indigenous solutions & the right time to start is N-O-W.
Having said that hopefully things don't go so far.
If sanctions are put on the F404 and F414 then the best option would be abandon the LCA and go full throttle on the AMCA with Safran collab.
But I don't think there will sanctions however I don't think the ToT deal will happen . We will jsut have to buy the engines outright .
But I don't think there will sanctions however I don't think the ToT deal will happen . We will jsut have to buy the engines outright .
I vaguely remember Mk2 engine bay getting changed to accommodate both GE and Safran JV engine for the sake of MLU.
Not sure if I read from IDRUU
I am talking about 1990s also where Taiwanese air force was more advanced than PLAAF and had the support of the US Navy, as I said in 1996 when China threatened Taiwan US Navy sailed 2 aircraft carriers with FA18 hornets which outclassed any PLAAF jet barely 70 km off of Chinese coastline. Other than 1971 such an incident never happened with India.
As for Taiwanese air defence, they don't have integrated air defencd network???? Wtf that means they are absolutely cooked because PLARF will launch hundreds of BMs at them in a very short span?!? How exactly do these guys think they can beat back China without an integrated air defence system and long range ballistic missiles
. Man they're even more cooked than I thought.