Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis

Why zero Meteor AAM were used on that day?
Ha e they not been integrated with Rafales?

I would say what Maverick said in Top Gun

" It is One of Life's Mysteries Sir " 🤣

Jokes aside nobody outside Defence circles know the exact status of Meteor or India specific Enhancements for which we paid some 2 Billion dollars
 
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How are we even integrating the Virupaksha with the rest of the EW systems
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Do tell. How are we supposed to integrate the No36B and No36L and the 101ks with the Virupaksha system. This will be worse than situation of initial integration to the mki's.
All systems talk to the Mission Computer. By having our own MC, we could integrate all Russian and Indian avionics smoothly(of course with full OEM support).

BTW, Virupaksha will have 2600 TRMs in its production version. It's too big for the nose-cose of Su-57. However, the GaN radar we're developing for AMCA(having 1600-1800 TRMs), should easily fit with little modification. Let's see!
 
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There's nothing wrong with Netra per se - it was already utilized in operational capacity even back in 2019 when it was running racetrack patrols along Western front to keep eyes on PAF vectors.

AFAIK, the problem is actually just from the French side - all available info points at them disallowing deep integration of the Rafale with the IAF's network-centric layout. I'm not entirely sure regarding the specifics, but I'm confident it's got nothing to do with just integration with Indian-origin platforms like Netra. It's much more systemic - even Phalcon is not an answer.

We're seeing now that even the LITENING LDP (fully NATO-spec equipment that even USAF uses) has not been integrated yet with IAF Rafales, as of recently we're having to use TALIOS instead. So if even some Israeli equipment is yet to be integrated, it's not hard to imagine that full integration with the indigenous NCW might be a ways off.

I don't know if this is because they've said no for integration or because it's something they're still working on. Let's not forget that some ISEs were omitted from public release.

At the moment, the MKI is a much more network-centric asset than Rafale for us - unfortunately, we don't have any long-range BVR missile with high NEZ like Meteor to launch from it. We actually wanted to integrate Meteor with our MKIs & Tejas (which have Indian mission computers), but MBDA said no.

Does this really have 250km max range??
 
All systems talk to the Mission Computer. By having our own MC, we could integrate all Russian and Indian avionics smoothly(of course with full OEM support).

BTW, Virupaksha will have 2600 TRMs in its production version. It's too big for the nose-cose of Su-57. However, the GaN radar we're developing for AMCA(having 1600-1800 TRMs), should easily fit with little modification. Let's see!
So no point in ruining the su-57.
 
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Why zero Meteor AAM were used on that day?
Ha e they not been integrated with Rafales?
It's either the rafales were primarily used for deep interdiction strike and CAP was the su-30mki's and mig 29's responsibility or the rafales have yet to be integrated on the Indian rafales.
It's most likely the rafales did not do CAP on the first day that's why counter air kills in Pakistani airspace happened more by Indian AD rather than Indian aircrafts. The other part is the PAF's dismal performance on the second and third day would likely because roles might have been exchanged with the rafale doing CAP while the su-30mki shifted to the ground strike role. So the rafale might have been actually effective on the second and third day but it's performance wasn't discussed because IAF may not have been engaging but rather locking on enemy aircraft and leaving them.
 
They already have a triple-pulse BVRAAM that is fully operational known as Stunner. This looks more like extended version of i-DERBY ER in terms of wing planform. Stunner doesn't carry a warhead as it is "direct hit to kill" missile. Stunner has 300kms range, so this Sky Sting having 250kms range with warhead(possibly) ain't too bad. We should grab this offer with both hands as Gandiva is still several years away from being operational.
 
They already have a triple-pulse BVRAAM that is fully operational known as Stunner. This looks more like extended version of i-DERBY ER in terms of wing planform. Stunner doesn't carry a warhead as it is "direct hit to kill" missile. Stunner has 300kms range, so this Sky Sting having 250kms range with warhead(possibly) ain't too bad. We should grab this offer with both hands as Gandiva is still several years away from being operational.
Also Israelis have much better service wrt modifying their weapons for better integration with our platforms & systems.
 
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It's either the rafales were primarily used for deep interdiction strike and CAP was the su-30mki's and mig 29's responsibility or the rafales have yet to be integrated on the Indian rafales.
It's most likely the rafales did not do CAP on the first day that's why counter air kills in Pakistani airspace happened more by Indian AD rather than Indian aircrafts. The other part is the PAF's dismal performance on the second and third day would likely because roles might have been exchanged with the rafale doing CAP while the su-30mki shifted to the ground strike role. So the rafale might have been actually effective on the second and third day but it's performance wasn't discussed because IAF may not have been engaging but rather locking on enemy aircraft and leaving them.
There no evidence of counter kills inside Pakistan territory by Indian AD .
I didn't come across any.
PAF could not defend air bases and that was a bummer.
There may be aircrafts damaged or destroyed by Bradmos attacks. Although I didn't see any evidence of that either.
One Saab erieye was damaged. PAF said that in press release. But that was all done by Indian ground forces , not thr air force.

Apart from two storm shadows hitting nur khan air Base, most probably fired by Rafales, the Rafales didn't do much else in that aspect of warfare either.
 
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I would say what Maverick said in Top Gun

" It is One of Life's Mysteries Sir " 🤣

Jokes aside nobody outside Defence circles know the exact status of Meteor or India specific Enhancements for which we paid some 2 Billion dollars
It would have been a lot more fun if Meteor were fired .
I would be watching a lot more tiktok of PAF jets.
War is war and both sides get hits. Nothing unusual.
At the moment I only have tiktoks of Indian jets.
There was one drone attack by India on Walton air strip , where they destroyed a Pakistani drone command truck. It was even in DGISPR press conference.
But then again that wasn't the Rafales doing this.
It would be a lot more fun to see more action from Rafales.
 
There's nothing wrong with Netra per se - it was already utilized in operational capacity even back in 2019 when it was running racetrack patrols along Western front to keep eyes on PAF vectors.

AFAIK, the problem is actually just from the French side - all available info points at them disallowing deep integration of the Rafale with the IAF's network-centric layout. I'm not entirely sure regarding the specifics, but I'm confident it's got nothing to do with just integration with Indian-origin platforms like Netra. It's much more systemic - even Phalcon is not an answer.

We're seeing now that even the LITENING LDP (fully NATO-spec equipment that even USAF uses) has not been integrated yet with IAF Rafales, as of recently we're having to use TALIOS instead. So if even some Israeli equipment is yet to be integrated, it's not hard to imagine that full integration with the indigenous NCW might be a ways off.

I don't know if this is because they've said no for integration or because it's something they're still working on. Let's not forget that some ISEs were omitted from public release.

At the moment, the MKI is a much more network-centric asset than Rafale for us - unfortunately, we don't have any long-range BVR missile with high NEZ like Meteor to launch from it. We actually wanted to integrate Meteor with our MKIs & Tejas (which have Indian mission computers), but MBDA said no.
Well this just means we have to go full on to have Astra Mk2 and Gandiva by 2030. Essentially you're saying we have an fighter with long range BVRM but that's not networked hence inferior situational awareness but our networked fighters with superior situational awareness have no means to take advantage of that cuz of low range BVRM. Very serious conundrum. We need Gandiva working ASAP then.
 
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They already have a triple-pulse BVRAAM that is fully operational known as Stunner. This looks more like extended version of i-DERBY ER in terms of wing planform. Stunner doesn't carry a warhead as it is "direct hit to kill" missile. Stunner has 300kms range, so this Sky Sting having 250kms range with warhead(possibly) ain't too bad. We should grab this offer with both hands as Gandiva is still several years away from being operational.
Instead of buying a dozen different types of AAM India should fully integrate the ones they already have.
Zero Meteor were fired during Shindoor.
Integrate that first, develop strategies to use it.
Problem with india is that weapons procurement and such critical defence decisions are in the hands of people who know nothing about warfare.
Rajnath Singh may be good at smashing coconuts on Rafales, but how much he understands the working of such a complex machinery?
 
Rajnath Singh may be good at smashing coconuts on Rafales, but how much he understands the working of such a complex machinery?

Hello Mister

In India , Defence Minister Never decides Any acquisition

He only approves it

All Technological requirements are decided by Technocrats
Of The Armed forces

And then accordingly the various systems are finalised

Even the Bureaucracy doesn't have a say

They only approve the funds and ask questions whether any such Technogical requirement can be fulfilled by DRDO

Since we are in a Conflict mode , the Armed forces have been alloted 50 Thousand crore ie 6 Billion dollars for emergency purchases
 
There no evidence of counter kills inside Pakistan territory by Indian AD .
I didn't come across any.
PAF could not defend air bases and that was a bummer.
There may be aircrafts damaged or destroyed by Bradmos attacks. Although I didn't see any evidence of that either.
One Saab erieye was damaged. PAF said that in press release. But that was all done by Indian ground forces , not thr air force.

Apart from two storm shadows hitting nur khan air Base, most probably fired by Rafales, the Rafales didn't do much else in that aspect of warfare either.
The thais claim 6 PAF aircrafts.

The number put on by the Thais
 
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Hello Mister

In India , Defence Minister Never decides Any acquisition

He only approves it

All Technological requirements are decided by Technocrats
Of The Armed forces

And then accordingly the various systems are finalised

Even the Bureaucracy doesn't have a say

They only approve the funds and ask questions whether any such Technogical requirement can be fulfilled by DRDO

Since we are in a Conflict mode , the Armed forces have been alloted 50 Thousand crore ie 6 Billion dollars for emergency purchases
Good to know .
The short war cost our enemies 6 billion USD