Pahalgam terror attack: 26 killed

[randomradio]

A) At a minimum, If India starts heavy shelling from thus side and Afghans take advantage from the other side, does p-a-k-i-s have wherewithal to stand pounding from both sides?

They can't handle us by themselves. And the Afghans can keep their guerilla grind up from the west. The real advantage is only in case of an invasion though, whether limited or all-out.

B) Can India do sustained shelling for long periods of time?

Yes, but we can run out of targets before that. Our post-Ukraine production is off the charts today.

C) I think Modi will hit a terror center or pak army station this time.

My guess is a large terror base first, followed by any escalation that makes Pakistan the aggressor.

We were supposed to follow-up Swift Retreat with missile strikes, naval action, and even a limited war, but Abhinandan's capture led to de-escalation after US intervention.

 

[safriz]

Af-Pak border, TTP and BLA.



Hey. Still alive and kicking. Yep, long time.

TTP and BLA are more of tribal issues than anything else.
It's a mix bag of tribal stubbornness, sense of deprivation, Indian opportunism, and our own faults.
From Indian perspective, that cow had been milked to it's useful life.
Other than that an attack by india on Pakistani territory and Pakistani army engaging Indian army will be beneficial for Pakistani people in more than one way.

 

[randomradio]

WB is US dominated and Trump is india friendly?

Only until Trump is in power. We need WB until they consider us developed. And in order to maintain leverage over us, they will want to maintain their credit relations even longer than that. So our potential provides us some advantages, but WB will become much more choosy in where they invest, and they could place harsher restrictions on future loans. We are looking at a 20-30 year relationship.

Making full use of the IWT's abbrogation will take a decade-plus too. Right now we can only annoy the Pakistanis a bit by withholding data.

We have a military advantage too. If Pak attacks water infra, IWT is automatically abbrogated.

 

[LX1111]

In recent years, it has been statistically calm in Kashmir.

It's an easy statement to make about a conflict region and say "I told you so."

This has nothing to do with Kashmir. Pakistani terrorists came in and attacked Hindu tourists. A foreign terrorist organization has claimed the attack, the same ones that attacked Mumbai.

Data don't tell the whole story, especially for ultra-religionists, I don't think Indians have the ability to understand what I'm saying, The key to Islamic terrorism is the lack of a system of governance at the grassroots level, when the Indian Government is unable to control the grassroots and provide basic education, health care, security, And job security, terrorism will do the job instead of the government.
No foreign terrorist can launch a terrorist attack on his own without a large number of local supporters, Therefore, counter-terrorism has never relied on a strong military force, but a sound grass-roots governance system.

 

[safriz]

They can't handle us by themselves. And the Afghans can keep their guerilla grind up from the west. The real advantage is only in case of an invasion though, whether limited or all-out.



Yes, but we can run out of targets before that. Our post-Ukraine production is off the charts today.



My guess is a large terror base first, followed by any escalation that makes Pakistan the aggressor.

We were supposed to follow-up Swift Retreat with missile strikes, naval action, and even a limited war, but Abhinandan's capture led to de-escalation after US intervention.

Hmm. Informative and entertaining at the same time.
Nothing wrong with that.
I think the border between the two countries is too long for sustained artillery attack. It can be done in certain places. But not all along. Likewise Pakistan too have artillery, and will be firing back .
About Afghanistan. They don't have enough weapons to do any sustained attack on Pakistan.
Best optics will be sending in the Raffles. Releasing a few Bollywood movies about it and bob is modi's uncle

 

[randomradio]

Yes, that's political meddling, not a military attack, and may have effects.
A military to military conflict may not have desired results.

Depends on whether the conflict is merely a message sent or the plan is to force Pakistan to cede territories. Haji Pir Pass, Kartapur corridor, or even the whole of POJK.

Say, territories are lost, and the war is over. How is PA going to manage the fallout domestically?

Hmm. I haven't followed this news at all.
For most Pakistanis at the moment , Niazi is far more important than whatever Modi is saying or doing.

PA miscalculated their political maneuvers both times, removing Nawaz from power and then bringing him back to power. All that did is PA lost its prestige, radicalized the population, and killed economic growth.

 

[randomradio]

TTP and BLA are more of tribal issues than anything else.
It's a mix bag of tribal stubbornness, sense of deprivation, Indian opportunism, and our own faults.
From Indian perspective, that cow had been milked to it's useful life.

I think it's the opposite. They have only scaled up their operations, especially BLA.

Other than that an attack by india on Pakistani territory and Pakistani army engaging Indian army will be beneficial for Pakistani people in more than one way.

I'm just not so sure about that this time.

 

[randomradio]

Data don't tell the whole story, especially for ultra-religionists, I don't think Indians have the ability to understand what I'm saying, The key to Islamic terrorism is the lack of a system of governance at the grassroots level, when the Indian Government is unable to control the grassroots and provide basic education, health care, security, And job security, terrorism will do the job instead of the government.
No foreign terrorist can launch a terrorist attack on his own without a large number of local supporters, Therefore, counter-terrorism has never relied on a strong military force, but a sound grass-roots governance system.

It's stuff like that that's been reversed after 370 was abrogated.

Kashmir has seen a lot of investment since.

Tourism:

Kashmir valley was blooming with business. Now it’s stained with blood, again

A recent terrorist attack in Anantnag's Pahalgam region, allegedly by Lasker-e-Taiba-affiliated TRF, is likely to impact Kashmir's burgeoning business sector. Despite previous resilience after Article 370 abrogation and the pandemic, this incident is expected to cast a shadow over the valley's...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Private investments:

Jammu and Kashmir set for industrial revolution: New policy to unlock Rs 99,000 crore in private investments

This strategic initiative aims to harness the region's untapped potential, promising to reshape its economic landscape.

www.deccanherald.com

Metro construction in Jammu and Srinagar.

https://www.indianewsnetwork.com/20191130/srinagar-jammu-metro-project-to-start-operations-by-sep-2024

Other projects on the anvil or already constructed.

2024's Top Jammu Kashmir Infrastructure Projects & Developments - TimesProperty

Jammu & Kashmir's 2024 infrastructure projects, key developments, and upcoming highlights. Get the latest on Baramulla to Banihal train timetable and more.

timesproperty.com

You may already know about all the construction activities happening around the border areas too.

So you can tell why the attack happened.

Potential effects.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/economy/pahalgam-terror-attack-may-derail-tourism-investments-into-j-k-13001740.html

 

[randomradio]

Hmm. Informative and entertaining at the same time.
Nothing wrong with that.
I think the border between the two countries is too long for sustained artillery attack. It can be done in certain places. But not all along. Likewise Pakistan too have artillery, and will be firing back .

Yes. But who can recoup and rebuild faster? It will raise costs drastically.

And when you bring in small surveillance and anti-armor drones, all those MGS and SPHs become even more vulnerable. Does Pak even have adequate CUAS capabilities for tactical roles?

About Afghanistan. They don't have enough weapons to do any sustained attack on Pakistan.

Maybe. But it will give their guerillas more room to maneuver. That's more than enough. Raising costs is the main goal here, human and financial.

Best optics will be sending in the Raffles. Releasing a few Bollywood movies about it and bob is modi's uncle

If that's the scale, then yes. But if it escalates to a ground invasion...

 

[Ashwin]

Creating a war with India will create a diversion away from Pakistani people's disgust for their recent actions.

To be honest I smell fish
Pakistani ISI has no longer any focus on Kashmir.
Their focus , resources and budget are entirely being spent on suppression of Imran Khan followers in Pakistan and abroad.
I will be surprised if it's ISI doing.

You are contradicting yourself. You know exactly why ISI did this.

 

[LX1111]

It's stuff like that that's been reversed after 370 was abrogated.

Kashmir has seen a lot of investment since.

Tourism:

Kashmir valley was blooming with business. Now it’s stained with blood, again

A recent terrorist attack in Anantnag's Pahalgam region, allegedly by Lasker-e-Taiba-affiliated TRF, is likely to impact Kashmir's burgeoning business sector. Despite previous resilience after Article 370 abrogation and the pandemic, this incident is expected to cast a shadow over the valley's...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Private investments:

Jammu and Kashmir set for industrial revolution: New policy to unlock Rs 99,000 crore in private investments

This strategic initiative aims to harness the region's untapped potential, promising to reshape its economic landscape.

www.deccanherald.com

Metro construction in Jammu and Srinagar.

https://www.indianewsnetwork.com/20191130/srinagar-jammu-metro-project-to-start-operations-by-sep-2024

Other projects on the anvil or already constructed.

2024's Top Jammu Kashmir Infrastructure Projects & Developments - TimesProperty

Jammu & Kashmir's 2024 infrastructure projects, key developments, and upcoming highlights. Get the latest on Baramulla to Banihal train timetable and more.

timesproperty.com

You may already know about all the construction activities happening around the border areas too.

So you can tell why the attack happened.

Potential effects.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/economy/pahalgam-terror-attack-may-derail-tourism-investments-into-j-k-13001740.html

You don't need a bunch of reports to prove what India has brought to Kashmir, it's mostly superficial, True grassroots governance is the establishment of grassroots government in every village, providing jobs, health care, and security services for every family. Kashmir's per capita GDP is only $600, a quarter of India's, compared with $11,050 in Xinjiang. About 90% of China,
when you live in extreme poverty, there is an imam to bring you employment, Free schooling for your children, good medical care for your parents,
What would you do if the price was merely to help the imam hide a group of strangers from Pakistan?

 

[LX1111]

A) At a minimum, If India starts heavy shelling from thus side and Afghans take advantage from the other side, does p-a-k-i-s have wherewithal to stand pounding from both sides?
B) Can India do sustained shelling for long periods of time?
C) I think Modi will hit a terror center or pak army station this time.

All - what do you think likely indian reaction would be?

In My opinion, India does not have enough advanced artillery, India has 145 M 777, 100 K 9, PaKistan has 236 SH-15,

 

[Ashwin]

You don't need a bunch of reports to prove what India has brought to Kashmir, it's mostly superficial, True grassroots governance is the establishment of grassroots government in every village, providing jobs, health care, and security services for every family. Kashmir's per capita GDP is only $600, a quarter of India's, compared with $11,050 in Xinjiang. About 90% of China,
when you live in extreme poverty, there is an imam to bring you employment, Free schooling for your children, good medical care for your parents,
What would you do if the price was merely to help the imam hide a group of strangers from Pakistan?

Grassroots change according to Xi. That too in an whole another geography without the majority Han Chinese population.

Xinjiang internment camps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Data don't tell the whole story, especially for ultra-religionists, I don't think Indians have the ability to understand what I'm saying, The key to Islamic terrorism is the lack of a system of governance at the grassroots level

Yeah teach us about a religion that we live with.

 

[LX1111]

Grassroots change according to Xi. That too in an whole another geography without the majority Han Chinese population.

Xinjiang internment camps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah teach us about a religion that we live with.

So, I don't think Indians can understand me, because Indians only see the brutal CCP crackdown in Xinjiang, But did not see for Xinjiang to provide large-scale poverty alleviation and education, economic investment, for Xinjiang's agricultural products and industrial products to provide generous policies and subsidies

 

[Ankit Kumar]

In My opinion, India does not have enough advanced artillery, India has 145 M 777, 100 K 9, PaKistan has 236 SH-15,

You are right that Pakistan has advanced artillery. But wrong that it's faulty unproven SH-15. It's actually M109s.

 

[Ashwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915232867702948341

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915223703589446038

 

[FenicromovCW]

To be honest I smell fish
Pakistani ISI has no longer any focus on Kashmir.
Their focus , resources and budget are entirely being spent on suppression of Imran Khan followers in Pakistan and abroad.
I will be surprised if it's ISI doing.

China is the one who is getting profited from this situation, so this is one of the angle.

 

[CATS @hunter]

So, I don't think Indians can understand me, because Indians only see the brutal CCP crackdown in Xinjiang, But did not see for Xinjiang to provide large-scale poverty alleviation and education, economic investment, for Xinjiang's agricultural products and industrial products to provide generous policies and subsidies

in order to achieve those did ccp throwed ugyurs in camps are not, didn't they targeted the religion or not?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Anyone doubting MODI should hear this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915308213656052016

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Seema bhabi to leaving within 48 Hours

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She has converted to Hinduism

She will somehow be allowed to stay