Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions

There's a veritable feast of potential targets Israel could hit if the Houthis persist. Israel has the right idea, no point in proportionate responses with the likes of the Houthis, they'll play pat-a-cake all day long, just bake their oil infratsructure as fast as you can.

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Even monkeys respond to stimuli. The problem is that the west has only attacked assets the Houthis are using to attack, and not the decision makers themselves.
west is already doing it , they have done it afghanistan, palestine , even in yemen. But the end result is same, another monkey simply pops up.
The recent mass bombing on fuel depot indicates that they are not able to get any high value target , hence they are going after soft immobile structures.

Given the amount of desperation ,wouldnt be surprised if west bombs some trees & derelict buildings and claims victory.
Hit their government headquarters mid-session, don't provide them any peace.
Its already a war ravaged cntry , they have been fighting war for last 3 decades..
 
There's a veritable feast of potential targets Israel could hit if the Houthis persist. Israel has the right idea, no point in proportionate responses with the likes of the Houthis, they'll play pat-a-cake all day long, just bake their oil infratsructure as fast as you can.

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How exactly is destroying civilian infrastructure a proportional response? Will the same logic applies to Ukraine ?
 
How exactly is destroying civilian infrastructure a proportional response? Will the same logic applies to Ukraine ?
Because the Houthis are destroying civilian shipping infrastructure in the Red Sea and civilian infrastructure in Israel, hence proportionate. In both cases the axis powers started it and were the initial aggressors , Russia in Ukraine, Houthis in Red Sea. The Houthis live in a glass house and they started throwing stones, 'nuff said.

Plus, they have no economy and rely on oil income set up by the previous government. So this will help eliminate their war fund. Israel is just doing what a lot of people have wanted to do for a long time and most people are silently happy they're doing it, including Saudi Arabia.
 
Because the Houthis are destroying civilian shipping infrastructure in the Red Sea and civilian infrastructure in Israel, hence proportionate. In both cases the axis powers started it, Russia in Ukraine, Houthis in Red Sea. The Houthis live in a glass house and they started throwing stones, 'nuff said.

Plus, they have no economy and rely on oil income set up by the previous government. So this will help eliminate their war fund.
They do not have the capability to attack militarily, so they are doing whatever they can to show their displeasure with Israel's attack against Palestine.

Ukraine is attacking Russian oil infrastructure in a manner similar to how Russian attacks are proportionate towards energy infrastructure. There may be exceptions, such as hospitals, just like Israel, but that does not make them guilty of "war crimes" as determined by kangaroo courts.
 
They do not have the capability to attack militarily, so they are doing whatever they can to show their displeasure with Israel's attack against Palestine.
So if you're shit you can attack civilians? Is that really the rational you're running with to defend the Houthis? Point to the part of international law that says that please.

They're not even a party to the war and neither are most (nearly all) the nations involved in the shipping they've attacked. So everything they've done is disproportionate. They're not even the legitimate government of Yemen, just an Iranian proxy. They deserve what they're getting 9,000%.

This is a response for 9 months worth of Houthis attacks.
Ukraine is attacking Russian oil infrastructure in a manner similar to how Russian attacks are proportionate towards energy infrastructure. There may be exceptions, such as hospitals, just like Israel, but that does not make them guilty of "war crimes" as determined by kangaroo courts.
Russia started attacking Ukrianian power infrastructure first though and it started the war. Both were disproportionate and/or illegal moves. Fuel and oil have always been strategic targets in war anyway.

Russia have struck natal hospitals at least 3 times now, a fairly clear attempt at genocide (targeting mother and newborn). If NATO did that, you'd never hear the end of it. It's not collateral damage, they were direct hits hundred of miles behind the frontline - so no militants were likely to be using it as per Gaza. Then you have the abduction of children from Ukraine, which they've admitted to, hence the ICJ arrest warrant. Plus several mass graves (God knows how many there are behind Russian lines) and the suspicious use of mobile crematoriums.

You can also blame Russia for the war in Gaza since they had Hamas start it as a distraction, plus the coups in Africa. Your blind friendship deceives you.
 
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They're not even a party to the war and neither are most (nearly all) the nations involved in the shipping they've attacked. So everything they've done is disproportionate. They're not even the legitimate government of Yemen, just an Iranian proxy. They deserve what they're getting 9,000%.
You do not get to decide who is a party to war or not. Yemani civilians do not deserve it, just like in Ukraine.

Russia started attacking Ukrianian power infrastructure first though and it started the war. Both were disproportionate and/or illegal moves.
No its not. Totally acceptable when in war. Ukrane is doing the same.

Russia have struck natal hospitals at least 3 times now, a fairly clear attempt at genocide (targeting mother and newborn). If NATO did that, you'd never hear the end of it. It's not collateral damage, they were direct hits hundred of miles behind the frontline - so no militants were likely to be using it as per Gaza. Then you have the abduction of children from Ukraine, which they've admitted to, hence the ICJ arrest warrant.
You are making my case. Same same. But cry selectively.

 
You do not get to decide who is a party to war or not. Yemani civilians do not deserve it, just like in Ukraine.
Hamas attacked Israel, Israel attacked Hamas. How did that involve Yemen? You don't get to suddenly decide after centuries of warfare that oil/fuel supply isn't a military target. Go find that in international law.
No its not. Totally acceptable when in war. Ukrane is doing the same.
So invasion and annexation are not illegal under international law now? Afraid you're wrong. Russia annexed Crimea before Yanukovych had even left and then sent troops into the Donbass, all illegal moves. Attacking fuel supplies and war economy is totally acceptable in war.
You are making my case. Same same. But cry selectively.
How is abduction of a million children same-same? Is this really the logic of the average Indian? 3 natal hopsitals?


The WHO, in an article published on 22 February 2024, reported 1,574 verified attacks on health, and the deaths of 118 health-care workers, since the start of the full scale illegal invasion of Ukraine.[4]Russian strikes on hospitals during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
As of 4 April 2024, WHO verified 1682 attacks on health care in Ukraine, resulting in 128 deaths and 288 injuries of medical personnel and patients.[5]Russian strikes on hospitals during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
As of 10 July 2024 Physicians for Human Rights "Attacks on Health Care in Ukraine" website counted 1442 attacks on health care facilities, out of which 742 destroyed hospitals and clinics, killing 210 health workers.[6]Russian strikes on hospitals during the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia
On 8 July 2024, Human Rights Watch reported of 1,736 damaged or destroyed medical facilities.[7]
The most widely covered attack was the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital.[33]
On 23 November 2022, Russian missile strikes destroyed a maternity ward in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, in the town of Vilnyansk, killing a newborn baby.[2]
On July 8 2024, Russian cruise missiles attacked children’s hospitals in Kyiv and Dnipro.[35]
Who is South Africa to bring genocide cases after taking land away from white farmers. The other difference is that everyone knows how Hamas/Islamists in general operate, so it is not the same. To pretend so is dumb.

Seriously, if you don't have a brain, go purchase a smart watch and let it post for you.
 
Hamas attacked Israel, Israel attacked Hamas. How did that involve Yemen?
Russia attacked Ukraine. How did that involve America, French or Britsh?
You don't get to suddenly decide after centuries of warfare that oil/fuel supply isn't a military target. Go find that in international law.
Didnt you you just claim attacking power infrastructure is illigal?

So invasion and annexation are not illegal under international law now?
It's wrong. The same applies in Palestine, Iran, and Afghanistan.

How is abduction of a million children same-same?
Million children ? :LOL: Talking about overdoing propaganda.

3 natal hopsitals?


Who is South Africa to bring genocide cases after taking land away from white farmers.
Don't deflect, what does farmers have to do with this. You want others to take a court order seriously, but you don't when it's against your interests.
 
I think the motivations behind attacks on civilian infrastructure matter.

In the case of the Gaza war, Israel has shown their attacks on hospitals have tactical value as Hamas bases munitions, fighters, and launches rockets from them. The few legitimate misfires have resulted in apologies and sacking of Israeli military officials.

Russia attacks hospitals in Ukraine to wear out the population. Nobody, not even Russia, tries to claim that there is tactical significance behind striking Ukrainian civil infrastructure beyond sowing terror and despair.

In an ideal world targeting the energy infrastructure of only military targets would be permitted but that isn't easy. In fact the reverse is true, so much energy infrastructure is exposed and easy to hit. It's why, despite all the media outrage, nobody seriously raises additional hue and cry over Russia's attacks on Ukrainian energy grids during the winter. People make more of a stink over Israeli limiting of power to Gaza but nothing compared to their overall siege and embargo of food and water. US troops were the only ones complaining when Iraqi forces set their own and Kuwaiti refineries ablaze during their retreat in the 91 Gulf War.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Yemenis will have to adjust to not having an oil receiving terminal for the foreseeable future due to the actions of their governing authorities. Does it suck? Yes. Will it exacerbate the already shit conditions on the ground there? Definitely. Is it a war crime? Probably not. Will it change the actions and attitudes of the Houthis? Almost certainly not.

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by the time ukraine war ends , all the experience of drone war fare would have spread in middle east. It will simply increase the risk of attacks by several times. They will replace those vehicle bombs & can be launched from very safe places.
Keep cool man !

Only one drone found its way to target (and was it really the target ?). Hundreds are destroyed month after month.

And now see the israeli answer. I think Houthis will take some time to think next time....
The only answer they understand....
 
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Only one drone found its way to target (and was it really the target ?). Hundreds are destroyed month after month.

And now see the israeli answer. I think Houthis will take some time to think next time....
I think the biggest issue is how cheap these drones are getting. Even if hundreds are intercepted, one or two can cause dozens of casualties. Defense has to be perfect all the time.

The costs of interception also far exceed the cost of these drones. Without the backing of Uncle Sam, there's no way Israel could afford to sustain the various air defense systems at the level they had to this past year.

Cheap, accurate and effective laser interdiction can't come quick enough.

At the end, with no more monkey, war ends.
After the end of the next big world war we'll all return to the level of actual monkeys 🐒 🙈 🙊
 
After the end of the next big world war we'll all return to the level of actual monkeys 🐒 🙈 🙊
We (the west) are not fighting nuclear countries. We are facing muslim fundamentalists.
The sole solution is to clean the room from the ground to the ceiling.
I think the biggest issue is how cheap these drones are getting. Even if hundreds are intercepted, one or two can cause dozens of casualties. Defense has to be perfect all the time.

The costs of interception also far exceed the cost of these drones. Without the backing of Uncle Sam, there's no way Israel could afford to sustain the various air defense systems at the level they had to this past year.

Cheap, accurate and effective laser interdiction can't come quick enough.
One drone reach the israeli soil = 4 x 500kg bomb on the terrorist organization.
Simple.
 
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Russia attacked Ukraine. How did that involve America, French or Britsh?
America, France and Britain have not attacked Russia, we are providing Ukraine assistance in compliance with the 1994 Budapest Memorandum of Understanding signed by the US, UK AND Russia when Ukraine gave up its nukes! People should consider this document when proposing a deal a with Putin on anything and think long and hard whether a deal with Putin actually means anything.
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Didnt you you just claim attacking power infrastructure is illigal?
No, I said disproportionate and/or illegal. And since Ukraine never fired a single shot into Russia before 24th February 2022, everything is a disproportionate act of aggression by Russia. The invasion and annexation are the illegal parts I was referring to.
It's wrong. The same applies in Palestine, Iran, and Afghanistan.
Afghanistan attacked the US 4 times unprovoked:

1993 WTC bombing;
1998 US Embassy bombings;
2000 USS Cole attack;
2001 911 attacks.

Yes by Afghanistan because Al-Quaeda/Bin Laden could not possibly be operating there without the full consent and approval of the Taliban. No country is not going to launch a military response to >3,000 dead civilians and thousands more injured. A response is compulsory under the listed duties of a leader. Same logic applies to Gaza. Iran arms and funds all these 'H' terror groups. Israel killed one IRGC general who was liaising with his Hezbollah terror faction who launched attacks on Israel and Iran launched several hundred missiles and drones and then lost some S-300 systems. How is that possibly the same? Honestly, you've gone from a weasel defence council for Russia to a rodent defence council for Islamist terror groups.
Million children ? :LOL: Talking about overdoing propaganda.
Hamas operate out of hospitals. Nothing is black and white Gaza. There are villains in sheep's clothing everywhere, sometimes even plugged into actual sheep.
Don't deflect, what does farmers have to do with this. You want others to take a court order seriously, but you don't when it's against your interests.
Hamas attacked first, so lets see their leader have his day in court first, along with the leaders of Hamas's backers who ordered this war. Then we will discuss the trial of Netanyahu, although currently no ICJ arrest warrant has been issued. In fact, I think Putin's arrest warrant was issued first, so it's Putin's trial, then the Hamas leader's trial in order. If India arrests Putin and Hamas faces trial and an ICJ arrest warrant is issued for Netanyahu, then it will be executed. :)
 
Only one drone found its way to target (and was it really the target ?). Hundreds are destroyed month after month.
Its not abt this one , its a sign of things to come. They will change the battlefield like AK47 did when it started out. A single drone can make skies unsafe for commercial airliners, it will severely endanger civilian air traffic.
 
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We (the west) are not fighting nuclear countries. We are facing muslim fundamentalists.
The sole solution is to clean the room from the ground to the ceiling.
Thats the problem you dont get to understand , more you fight & kill , more monkeys get created. There is endless supply of monkeys due to the very nature of their social fabric. Its not they will get tired of it and say enuf of death & destruction, they will keep continuing as they dont have any thing worth to lose. Its only the dictators fear losing power & their kingdom but the lunatic on the ground literally has nothing to lose.